Making the choice between primobolan and masteron

[JC33]

 

[badgerz94]

I have used Mast and Primo many times. Last year I tried Gear Church's DHB for the first time. I will take that over Primo and Mast any day. It's cheaper, you need less, and less sides.

 

[Doncoyote]

What did your cycle look like with the dhb?

 

[JC33]

I have used Mast and Primo many times. Last year I tried Gear Church's DHB for the first time. I will take that over Primo and Mast any day. It's cheaper, you need less, and less sides.

I’ve read reports that it’s hepatoxic and is one of the few steroids that increase liver weight in rats. Only thing keeping me away from it, I’ve heard really good reviews. What’s your opinion on blood thickening from dhb? I run masteron in every cycle, never need an ai or rarely do and the mental effects I get from it make it worth it to me.

 

[JC33]

I’ve read reports that it’s hepatoxic and is one of the few steroids that increase liver weight in rats. Only thing keeping me away from it, I’ve heard really good reviews. What’s your opinion on blood thickening from dhb? I run masteron in every cycle, never need an ai or rarely do and the mental effects I get from it make it worth it to me.

 

[Meetketchup]

Many IFBB Pro's including Doctors (Todd Lee, Kurt, etc.) are switching to Mast, which is what I did 2 years ago. Much cheaper, rarely faked, usually less welts/PIP/scar tissue etc. Some bros will tell you they feel the difference between the two...placebo is a powerful tool. The people that switched including my clients can't tell the difference either way and their blood work tends to be a bit BETTER on Mast.

Your body...do what you want, but Mast E in the off-season and Mast P in prep IMO.

 

[JC33]

Many IFBB Pro's including Doctors (Todd Lee, Kurt, etc.) are switching to Mast, which is what I did 2 years ago. Much cheaper, rarely faked, usually less welts/PIP/scar tissue etc. Some bros will tell you they feel the difference between the two...placebo is a powerful tool. The people that switched including my clients can't tell the difference either way and their blood work tends to be a bit BETTER on Mast.

Your body...do what you want, but Mast E in the off-season and Mast P in prep IMO.

Kurt Havens is one of my favorite sources for information he has his own Channel atomic life now. But I agree 100% with everything you said, Todd is exclusively running mast e in the off season and it seems to have a better effect on blood work, and honestly I think it’s kind of underrated as an anabolic.

 

[Bando]

Personally I’m Not a fan of primo. It makes me feel weird and drastically affects my estrogen levels. I really wanted to like primo too. When I was first researching it many years ago it sounded magical. Unfortunately it’s the opposite for me. Makes me feel terrible.

But Masteron jives well with my body chemistry. Increases sense of well-being and sex drive. If I’m 10% BF or less it makes me look like a granite statue. Plus it goes with Tren like peanut butter goes with jelly. Also its inexpensive and rarely faked.

Honestly I suggest you try both to see which one works best for you. Anabolics react differently in all of us to some extent. Personal experience is best. But I suggest trying Mast first. I got a feeling you will like it.

If you use primo first, I highly suggest you keep testosterone higher than the primo. Some people can use a 1:1 ratio but I’d be scared to after my primo experiences. I made the colossal mistake of running Primo to Test at 2:1 and it seriously almost wrecked half of an entire year. And I’m not exaggerating. Crashing estrogen is a terrible experience for many.

 

[Joe_256]

I run mast always as an ancillary to keep my sex drive stable and dick game on point, and also to mitigate gyno sides. It doesnt really lower my E2 but has a direct impact on what the nipples do with it.

I dont think it promotes much in the way of gains beyond vascularity and hardness. But Ive always had other compounds carrying the load for that so I cant really say for sure. But I love it

 

[Astro95]

Like @Meetketchup said, Todd Lee has 3 videos on this. Look them up or I can pm them if you can’t find them. You can run Primobolan like I’m doing currently, but it’s way pricier than Masteron. I personally didn’t run Masteron due to thinking hair loss is worse than on primo, but according to Kurt Havens the hair loss happens due to an e2 and dht imbalance, not the compound. Primobolan has more e2 controlling properties as it metabolites into a newly found Ai. They suggest Masteron being better due to cost and due to keeping your estrogen a tad higher than Primobolan and higher estrogen yields better igf1 numbers assuming you’re running gh. I will be switching to mast once I’m out of primo.

 

[Meetketchup]

Kurt Havens is one of my favorite sources for information he has his own Channel atomic life now. But I agree 100% with everything you said, Todd is exclusively running mast e in the off season and it seems to have a better effect on blood work, and honestly I think it’s kind of underrated as an anabolic.

I run it every cycle in some capacity.

 

[JC33]

Like @Meetketchup said, Todd Lee has 3 videos on this. Look them up or I can pm them if you can’t find them. You can run Primobolan like I’m doing currently, but it’s way pricier than Masteron. I personally didn’t run Masteron due to thinking hair loss is worse than on primo, but according to Kurt Havens the hair loss happens due to an e2 and dht imbalance, not the compound. Primobolan has more e2 controlling properties as it metabolites into a newly found Ai. They suggest Masteron being better due to cost and due to keeping your estrogen a tad higher than Primobolan and higher estrogen yields better igf1 numbers assuming you’re running gh. I will be switching to mast once I’m out of primo.

I’m a big fan of Todd, Paul and Kurt. I typically run masteron/test and nothing else

 

[Syntha Claus]

So, completely interchangeable, depending on IF you can get legitimate products and how much you want to spend? Levi's vs. plain pocket jeans.

 

[MBW212]

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Protect the liver at all cost, I never really put a thought to it till I was in the hospital, my liver enzymes were so high it registered F4 cirrhosis, I was bugging . Not from any of the things you mentioned but from tren, always be mindful of the liver

 

[JC33]

Protect the liver at all cost, I never really put a thought to it till I was in the hospital, my liver enzymes were so high it registered F4 cirrhosis, I was bugging . Not from any of the things you mentioned but from tren, always be mindful of the liver

That must have been pretty scary tbh, and this might sound crazy but I’ve only ever taken test and mast. I’ve never used any other steroid because I see great results from the 2 so my view is why try to fix what isn’t broken? My first order on here I got 2 free vials of auctus Tren E and it’s sitting on the shelf where it’s probably going to stay for years. I can’t honestly say I won’t use it, but for now I’m totally ok with test/mast. My blood work stays solid and I feel and grow very well from the combo. I did just get some Proviron haven’t touched it yet, someone said there’s some really cool nootropic effects from it and I’d like to try it seeing as it’s the least toxic oral, and I’ve never taken an oral. Very curious about how it “feels” because I keep reading it can give you a very strong feeling of well-being , or just make you a full blown degenerate porn addict

 

[Syntha Claus]

I'll tell you something that never gets mentioned. Most of the guys doing steroids also continue drinking. It's all over the forum. Almost bragging sometimes. But then when there's a problem, they swear they don't drink.
Then you have the guys that swear tren doesn't affect their liver. Of course, what we eat affects our liver since everything pretty much goes through the liver. It is sort of like steroids don't affect the kidneys. The high blood pressure does.

The reality is that most guys are using steroids just to look good, even though most could without them. Easier to pin than cease any counter-productive behavior. They start cycles without blood tests, preparation, enough knowledge and no real plan for contingencies. When the problems start, they blame the drugs.

 

[JC33]

I'll tell you something that never gets mentioned. Most of the guys doing steroids also continue drinking. It's all over the forum. Almost bragging sometimes. But then when there's a problem, they swear they don't drink.
Then you have the guys that swear tren doesn't affect their liver. Of course, what we eat affects our liver since everything pretty much goes through the liver. It is sort of like steroids don't affect the kidneys. The high blood pressure does.

The reality is that most guys are using steroids just to look good, even though most could without them. Easier to pin than cease any counter-productive behavior. They start cycles without blood tests, preparation, enough knowledge and no real plan for contingencies. When the problems start, they blame the drugs.

It’s really easy to blame the drugs instead of lifestyle choices forsure, but I would assume there’s probably a negative compounding effect from mixing the two as well. Alcohol raises blood pressure and skews lipids on top of anabolics that’s just asking for trouble. It’s pretty crazy how good blood work can be when you don’t eat like an asshole and abstain from alcohol. I agree with everything you said.

 

[Syntha Claus]

When I first decided to be a competitive bodybuilder, I was still skating to the gym. One day I showed up to train with my partners and had blood pouring down my leg and arm fro eating shit on the way to the gym. My buddies said "You gotta choose your sport man." They were right. Hard to train properly with constant scabs everywhere.

Eating, drinking and doing gear is no different. In fact, when guys talk about how disgusting women bodybuilders are, I might agree. But one thing for sure, they have fully committed, and for that I respect them.

 

[JC33]

When I first decided to be a competitive bodybuilder, I was still skating to the gym. One day I showed up to train with my partners and had blood pouring down my leg and arm fro eating shit on the way to the gym. My buddies said "You gotta choose your sport man." They were right. Hard to train properly with constant scabs everywhere.

Eating, drinking and doing gear is no different. In fact, when guys talk about how disgusting women bodybuilders are, I might agree. But one thing for sure, they have fully committed, and for that I respect them.

skating as in skateboarding?

 

[Syntha Claus]

skating as in skateboarding?

No. Old school skates, leg warmers and spandex, crop top and mesh shirt.
Of course skateboarding. Who fucking uses shoe skates or whatever they are called. And if you fall on rollerblades, you must be a retard.

 

[JC33]

No. Old school skates, leg warmers and spandex, crop top and mesh shirt.
Of course skateboarding. Who fucking uses shoe skates or whatever they are called. And if you fall on rollerblades, you must be a retard.

I love it. I spent the entirety of my free time up until 22 years old skating. I can still tre flip but it’s a little harder being 40 pounds heavier lol

 

[Deezo]

I'll tell you something that never gets mentioned. Most of the guys doing steroids also continue drinking. It's all over the forum. Almost bragging sometimes. But then when there's a problem, they swear they don't drink.
Then you have the guys that swear tren doesn't affect their liver. Of course, what we eat affects our liver since everything pretty much goes through the liver. It is sort of like steroids don't affect the kidneys. The high blood pressure does.

The reality is that most guys are using steroids just to look good, even though most could without them. Easier to pin than cease any counter-productive behavior. They start cycles without blood tests, preparation, enough knowledge and no real plan for contingencies. When the problems start, they blame the drugs.

But I'll never blame the drugs, as I know it was my stupidity.
I realized right now I prefer having a "few" drinks way too often, so I stopped taking gear.

One day when hopefully it's not too late and I decide to quit that shit. I'll be back on some basic test only cycle or so on. 29 y/o feels good

 

[AR-15]

No. Old school skates, leg warmers and spandex, crop top and mesh shirt.
Of course skateboarding. Who fucking uses shoe skates or whatever they are called. And if you fall on rollerblades, you must be a retard.

Coach PLEASE PLEASE tell me you have a pic of you wearing leg warmers, spandex, crop top(no idea what that even is) and a mesh shirt!!!!!

 

[JC33]

Coach PLEASE PLEASE tell me you have a pic of you wearing leg warmers, spandex, crop top(no idea what that even is) and a mesh shirt!!!!!

do you remember the gay guy from Reno-911? Forget his name, it’s like a tight t-shirt that ends above the belly button

 

[JC33]

Coach PLEASE PLEASE tell me you have a pic of you wearing leg warmers, spandex, crop top(no idea what that even is) and a mesh shirt!!!!!

 

[AR-15]

OMG that shirt! Yeah @CoachCabo if you have a pic wearing all that brother that would be epic. ASF gold for sure

 

[JC33]

OMG that shirt! Yeah @CoachCabo if you have a pic wearing all that brother that would be epic. ASF gold for sure

I’d make it my profile pic fs

 

[B-Roll81]

Protect the liver at all cost, I never really put a thought to it till I was in the hospital, my liver enzymes were so high it registered F4 cirrhosis, I was bugging . Not from any of the things you mentioned but from tren, always be mindful of the liver

Tren just continues to sound like a bad idea. I think I’ll be content with never trying that one. I’m cool with that.

 

[GasmanX]

Like @Meetketchup said, Todd Lee has 3 videos on this. Look them up or I can pm them if you can’t find them. You can run Primobolan like I’m doing currently, but it’s way pricier than Masteron. I personally didn’t run Masteron due to thinking hair loss is worse than on primo, but according to Kurt Havens the hair loss happens due to an e2 and dht imbalance, not the compound. Primobolan has more e2 controlling properties as it metabolites into a newly found Ai. They suggest Masteron being better due to cost and due to keeping your estrogen a tad higher than Primobolan and higher estrogen yields better igf1 numbers assuming you’re running gh. I will be switching to mast once I’m out of primo.

Same boat. Stocked up on primo and now having second thoughts because I don’t want to crash the E2 and make GH ineffective. Was going to do 1:1 but will probably start 400 test 300 primo to be on the safe side.

 

[JC33]

Same boat. Stocked up on primo and now having second thoughts because I don’t want to crash the E2 and make GH ineffective. Was going to do 1:1 but will probably start 400 test 300 primo to be on the safe side.

I really think people can grow with masteron but it has the you need to be lean and contest prep stigma attached to it. It makes me really fucking strong after 8 weeks at 15%bf