Looking to start NPP

[Cyp1221]

hi yall. Fresh to AS and I wanna start my first cycle with something that, if the side affects are bad enough, I can jump off no weaning required.
I’m either thinking of running Deca OR NPP for 20 weeks and, I’m so clueless on this that idk how much I should even buy for that long.
Also I am already on Test C .4 ml every week. No estro blocker.
(165 pounds, three years lifting)

 

[BigManT]

You wanna run a 19nor as your first secondary compound……. Test is best, I would figure out how much test you can run before you start to get sides.

 

[Cyp1221]

You wanna run a 19nor as your first secondary compound……. Test is best, I would figure out how much test you can run before you start to get sides.

Been on test for a hot second now. Idk I’m just ready to experiment with other shit.
I could bump it to .6 and split my dose into two different days for steadier levels

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Cyp is fine once a week. 19-Nors dont usually get recommended as a first compound but between the two, NPP. If it goes wrong with Deca, it has a long half life and you'd be riding it out for weeks until it cleared. NPP is the best of the two for you and for your first time, I'd run it for around 12 weeks. Its known to have less sides and kicks in quicker than Deca. Easily NPP.

FYI, Deca vs. NPP is one of the most common threads here. Search the forum and youll find hundreds of posts just like yours with tons of info.

 

[Cyp1221]

Cyp is fine once a week. 19-Nors dont usually get recommended as a first compound but between the two, NPP. If it goes wrong with Deca, it has a long half life and you'd be riding it out for weeks until it cleared. NPP is the best of the two for you and for your first time, I'd run it for around 12 weeks. Its known to have less sides and kicks in quicker than Deca. Easily NPP.

FYI, Deca vs. NPP is one of the most common threads here. Search the forum and youll find hundreds of posts just like yours with tons of info.

Thank you lots for the suggestion. Lowkey I’m really trying to just find something that can ease me into the process while on a bulk. What do people usually take as a first compound? I know all the popular shit but I’m not that stupid to start shit like that being semi-experienced in lifting.

 

[Hablooblah]

Thank you lots for the suggestion. Lowkey I’m really trying to just find something that can ease me into the process while on a bulk. What do people usually take as a first compound? I know all the popular shit but I’m not that stupid to start shit like that being semi-experienced in lifting.

What have you ran as far as Test? How long and what mg? And i seen a ".6" up there...never speak in volumes always speak in weight. Nobody has any clue what .6 means. It could be any concentration at .6
And NPP makes a fine choice for a secondary compound if you know what to look out for. Its a progestogenic 19Nor. You may experience some increase in prolactin and progesterone so make sure you have Cabergoline on hand but it's an only when you HAVE TO ancillary. Any Nandrolone can also affect mood negatively in some ppl. But thats why NPP is the far better choice over Deca. NPP being a quick ester is in and out quickly, less than a week or 2 for negative sides to disappear, some quicker. When Deca rears an ugly head it can take months for sides to diminish. Make sure youre checking bloods regularly and pulling prolactin and progesterone when you do. A good starting dose in my opinion would be a 2:1 ratio with test, say 300Test 150NPP and see how you react. Titrating up if/when needed.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Thank you lots for the suggestion. Lowkey I’m really trying to just find something that can ease me into the process while on a bulk. What do people usually take as a first compound? I know all the popular shit but I’m not that stupid to start shit like that being semi-experienced in lifting.

Well, if the question is Deca vs. Npp for you, then my answer is NPP. If the question is what you should take right now, then my answer is neither. I would recommend just running a higher test only for awhile and honestly, you'd likely achieve the same results.

Like @Hablooblah asked, what concentration test, (mg/ml) are you running at 0.6ml?

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

... and btw, you mentioned "popular" compounds. Well, you have a good thread going and you'll get lots of great feedback BUT whatever you do, don't mention that "Tr3n" word or they're gonna tear your ass up.

 

[Hablooblah]

... and btw, you mentioned "popular" compounds. Well, you have a good thread going and you'll get lots of great feedback BUT whatever you do, don't mention that "Tr3n" word or they're gonna tear your ass up.

The main reason I chimed in to try and help was that he DIDN'T mention tren. a first cycle post that didn't sound stupid af, didn't mention Tren and has ran test first.... a true rarity on here nowadays lol

 

[Laxman3221]

Thank you lots for the suggestion. Lowkey I’m really trying to just find something that can ease me into the process while on a bulk. What do people usually take as a first compound?

Testosterone. You're not ready for any other compounds.

 

[Cyp1221]

Well, if the question is Deca vs. Npp for you, then my answer is NPP. If the question is what you should take right now, then my answer is neither. I would recommend just running a higher test only for awhile and honestly, you'd likely achieve the same results.

Like @Hablooblah asked, what concentration test, (mg/ml) are you running at 0.6ml?

That’s my bad, my test is 80 mg every week of test cyp 200 mg/mL. It’s prescribed to me, I could run more but worried about my doctor taking it from me entirely.

 

[Cyp1221]

Testosterone. You're not ready for any other compounds.

Appreciate it

 

[Hablooblah]

That’s my bad, my test is 80 mg every week of test cyp 200 mg/mL. It’s prescribed to me, I could run more but worried about my doctor taking it from me entirely.

I retract what I said. If youve only ever ran 80mg/week you definitely need to run a higher dose Test only cycle before adding anything. My mistake, I misunderstood something when you said you'd ran test. Test only first real cycle. Nothing else.

 

[Notsurewhat2dowithmyhands]

I'd have to agree with these guys. I'd bump my test way up before throwing a 19-nor in. 80mg a week is low. I need 240 a week just to get to the top of the reference range.

 

[Notsurewhat2dowithmyhands]

I'd have to agree with these guys. I'd bump my test way up before throwing a 19-nor in. 80mg a week is low. I need 240 a week just to get to the top of the reference range.

Actually I take back the low part. I don't know what your blood work says so you might just be a lucky hyper responder to gear. I unfortunately am not

 

[Cyp1221]

... and btw, you mentioned "popular" compounds. Well, you have a good thread going and you'll get lots of great feedback BUT whatever you do, don't mention that "Tr3n" word or they're gonna tear your ass up.

Yeah no I’m good on allat I would like faster results but not risking my life and health to THAT degree.

 

[Cyp1221]

Actually I take back the low part. I don't know what your blood work says so you might just be a lucky hyper responder to gear. I unfortunately am not

I could post my blood work. It’s definitely on the lower end, 450, which is why I did up it but again (to my current dose), my test is prescribed to me and lowkey wouldn’t have an issue going to 200 if I split the dose up into two days but I just don’t want it to get yanked :-/

 

[Cyp1221]

I retract what I said. If youve only ever ran 80mg/week you definitely need to run a higher dose Test only cycle before adding anything. My mistake, I misunderstood something when you said you'd ran test. Test only first real cycle. Nothing else.

Understood! Thanks. If I’m moving up from 80 to 100, next shot day should I inject 90 then two weeks from now 100 so it doesn’t make shit too crazy?

 

[Notsurewhat2dowithmyhands]

I could post my blood work. It’s definitely on the lower end, 450, which is why I did up it but again (to my current dose), my test is prescribed to me and lowkey wouldn’t have an issue going to 200 if I split the dose up into two days but I just don’t want it to get yanked :-/

That is on the lower end. And wanting to keep a script is why I found a clinic that only requires yearly blood work. Then I just send my TRT cruise labs. Also to answer your other question you can go right to 100 twice a week from where you are currently. No need to ramp up that slow. It takes a while to fully saturate anyway due to the ester.

 

[Hablooblah]

Understood! Thanks. If I’m moving up from 80 to 100, next shot day should I inject 90 then two weeks from now 100 so it doesn’t make shit too crazy?

Double it. Do 160mg. I feel confident that nothing crazy will happen to you. When I started TRT years ago I was prescribed and started at 160mg. If I was you I would run that for 5 or 6 weeks then double it again and run that for around 16 weeks. I would go as high as 400mg by the end. Pulling bloodwork every 6-8 weeks. Or before, during and after. By then youll know how you react and how you aromatize, better preparing yourself for future cycles. This is why Test only first cycle is preached.