Looking for some advice/guidance (very low T)

[madinspace]

Hey everyone, I am going to try to make this as short as possible and only give the necessary info. I appreciate anyone reading and giving me their 2 cents.


I'm a 39 year old male and I had my T levels tested by both my naturopath and my normal family Dr. last month. My naturopath tests were sent to a lab in the states (i'm in Canada) and my Dr's labs were tested here.


Natruopath resusts: Free testosterone came back at 95 pmol/L. This was tested using the Vermeulens Algorithm. I have heard it's the gold standard, I don't know if that's true. The reference range was from 160 - 699. So clearly below even the cut off of the lowest value.

My Dr's results: 9.4 (down from 12.7 as of July) of a reference range of (I believe) 12 - 32 (I don't know if that is 100% accurate, but I'm remembering that range the last time I actually saw my results, this last result was given to me over the phone, not on paper)


So below the cut off on both tests. I wont go into the symptoms because it's every one associated with low T. Anyone reading this is aware of them I imagine.


I work out 4x a week, have a job that I put 20k steps in every day plus sometimes heavy lifting/moving doors/trim/anything that needs painting. I eat well, I don't drink or smoke. Get as much sleep as I can, zinc, b12, D, brazil nuts, all the things that raise test naturally.

I picked up a vial of Test 400 from a friend of mine who has been taking steroids his whole life, body builds and trains people. It is a mix of Testosterone Ethanate and Testosterone Undecanoate. Each ml contains 200mg of each. He said to take .5ml once a week.


I HAVE been referred to the mens health clinic, but I know the wait times can be unacceptably long, especially in Manitoba. I WANT to do it the right way, but I cannot imagine waiting another 6 months to start. I am calling my dr next week to see if he knows where the referral is at and if I can explain to him that I'm really struggling. Perhaps he can put in a word for me at the clinic, I dont know. I also dont want to risk the clinic turning me away when I eventually get my appointment, they see my test is higher, and deny me treatment.


I guess my question is, do the benefits outweigh the risk at this point? I know only I can truly answer that, but I'm really at the end of my rope. I just want to feel better, I don't want to blast anything or become a body builder, I just want my numbers to be where they SHOULD be for a 39 year old male who is active trying to do everything right.


If you made it this far thanks for reading.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

You are on a steroid forum sir.

If you went on a forum about Porsches or ferraris and asked, should I buy a Porsche or ferrari. Do you think someone's gonna say, no get the Kia?

Why lie to us and yourself...you are looking for someone to tell you to do it. For whatever reason you aren't confident enough to admit that you have all intentions and desires to do it

Almost like you feel shame in admitting you want to do it or as if it's "cheating".

Maybe I'm wrong but I've done this 3 decades so I don't think I am.

You already bought it so you're gonna do it.

No one here is gonna baby your hesitation sir.

Man up and get started or continue to suffer. But don't come here for emotional support sir...maybe your T is that low and your E is that high, but we treat anabolics like drinking water here..your'e thirsty and wondering if you should take a sip of water....only you're not wondering.

 

[madinspace]

You are on a steroid forum sir.

If you went on a forum about Porsches or ferraris and asked, should I buy a Porsche or ferrari. Do you think someone's gonna say, no get the Kia?

Why lie to us and yourself...you are looking for someone to tell you to do it. For whatever reason you aren't confident enough to admit that you have all intentions and desires to do it

Almost like you feel shame in admitting you want to do it or as if it's "cheating".

Maybe I'm wrong but I've done this 3 decades so I don't think I am.

You already bought it so you're gonna do it.

No one here is gonna baby your hesitation sir.

Man up and get started or continue to suffer. But don't come here for emotional support sir...maybe your T is that low and your E is that high, but we treat anabolics like drinking water here..your'e thirsty and wondering if you should take a sip of water....only you're not wondering.

Well said. A lot of truth in your reply and it's appreciated. and yea, my T IS that low. oof

 

[madinspace]

You are on a steroid forum sir.

If you went on a forum about Porsches or ferraris and asked, should I buy a Porsche or ferrari. Do you think someone's gonna say, no get the Kia?

Why lie to us and yourself...you are looking for someone to tell you to do it. For whatever reason you aren't confident enough to admit that you have all intentions and desires to do it

Almost like you feel shame in admitting you want to do it or as if it's "cheating".

Maybe I'm wrong but I've done this 3 decades so I don't think I am.

You already bought it so you're gonna do it.

No one here is gonna baby your hesitation sir.

Man up and get started or continue to suffer. But don't come here for emotional support sir...maybe your T is that low and your E is that high, but we treat anabolics like drinking water here..your'e thirsty and wondering if you should take a sip of water....only you're not wondering.

In your experienced opinion, would IM be more effective than Subq? or is there almost no difference? Thanks again

 

[GYMnTONIC]

In your experienced opinion, would IM be more effective than Subq? or is there almost no difference? Thanks again

In studies it is said to be similar.

Based on my personal experience w myself and.thousands of clients, I always recommend IM. Just recall IM has a higher risk.of infection so make sure you clean the vial w. Alcohol prior to use, clean the injection site as well.

Once you start make a new thread if you have questions...stay here, read, learn. It's a family here but expect brutal honesty from the crew. You will grow to love this place though.

Welcome to ASF sir

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Get the Kia. Oh shit, sorry. Wrong forum.

Do what @GYMnTONIC said. Fuck waiting. Pin it!

 

[Conmike41]

Just do it man!!

Get labs in 4 weeks to test your free/total T as well as estradiol. Make sure to get the labs done the day before or the day of your next shot so you can see how LOW your levels get

If you get the labs done a day or two after your last injection, your levels will be high

Also look into/research micro dosing , so for instance if your injecting 0.5 ml weekly you ca break that up into 0.1 ml 5 days a week w an insulin syringe . This tends ti keep levels more stable for some of us and can help prevent excess aromatazation of estradiol

Good luck

 

[dcdogz]

You're not gonna become a bodybuilder with any amount of steroids or get huge. It's way harder then you think.

Just pin a trt dose once a week and feel better.

It's literally that easy.

 

[Cypher]

In your experienced opinion, would IM be more effective than Subq? or is there almost no difference? Thanks again

I completely agree with @GYMnTONIC—IM is way better than SubQ (night and day difference), and shallow IM works just as well (for me)

 

[Cypher]

@madinspace You're your own gatekeeper—no one else can do it for you. Don’t wait for some clinic or doctor to decide if your hormones are off (chances are, they won’t do much or prescribe a high enough dose to really help with your symptoms). In my opinion, you’ll likely need to get your levels past the “normal” range to feel good. Just take the .5mls, or approach it like a detective—dig into this site, research thoroughly, and maybe support one of the sponsors along the way. Everyone here is helpful and willing to share advice, so you won’t be alone in the process.

 

[ruffus]

Sounds like you need to be on a TRT forum.
I have made the choice for myself. Been on Dr prescribed TRT for over 25 years. Did IM in my early years and have done Sub-q daily for the last 8+ years. We all decide what works best for ourselves. Once a week IM would have my levels go to 1200 2 days post inject down to the low 400 before my next injection. So basically the whole normal range would be covered every week. 2X a week would be better but i settled on daily for stable levels.