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I got duped with whole hammer and bell thing last year. Been going to the gym consistently. Ready to add some sauce beginning next year when I get out of my busy work season. Question is should I begins. Test only cycle? Or should I start the test, titrate up and add the primo in like 8 weeks in. Bloods will done at the end of 4 weeks to see estro. Will be running only 2iu of generic gh.
Thoughts? Comments? General guidance. All info and correction and question will be replied to.
 
If it’s your 1st cycle I’d run test only and see how you respond

Start somewhere around 300-350 test for 4 weeks then pull labs w total / free test and ultra sensitive Estradiol

If you’re progressing, labs look good and E2 under control run that another 4 weeks then bump up to 500 test a week and repeat labs 4 weeks later

Make sure to have an AI on hand just in case
 
BigMike305 said:
If it’s your 1st cycle I’d run test only and see how you respond

Start somewhere around 300-350 test for 4 weeks then pull labs w total / free test and ultra sensitive Estradiol

If you’re progressing, labs look good and E2 under control run that another 4 weeks then bump up to 500 test a week and repeat labs 4 weeks later

Make sure to have an AI on hand just in case
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300? I was thinking about starting at 200 see how I felt then running to 300.
My natural test level is 601 with free at 102
Why 300?
 
Igotit said:
300? I was thinking about starting at 200 see how I felt then running to 300.
My natural test level is 601 with free at 102
Why 300?
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200 a week will likely put you at a test level of 1000-1400

I think 350-400 is a great place to start , you can always titrate up if progress stalls….run it 16 - 20 weeks with the GH
 
Nood said:
First cycle, test only. Learn how your body responds first. Blood work at 6 weeks. I’d run 400mg for 12 weeks, can bump it to 500mg next cycle. No need for any more compounds, get the most out of the least amount.
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Why 400?
I was thinking about starting at 200 then going up from there.
I hear primo puts on good tissue and can control estro at the higher test levels
 
BigMike305 said:
If it’s your 1st cycle I’d run test only and see how you respond

Start somewhere around 300-350 test for 4 weeks then pull labs w total / free test and ultra sensitive Estradiol

If you’re progressing, labs look good and E2 under control run that another 4 weeks then bump up to 500 test a week and repeat labs 4 weeks later

Make sure to have an AI on hand just in case
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What dose of ai? At what estro level should I begins the dose?
 
Igotit said:
Why 400?
I was thinking about starting at 200 then going up from there.
I hear primo puts on good tissue and can control estro at the higher test levels
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Still want to make your first cycle worth while. 200 isn’t going to get you much. Want to be anabolic be anabolic lol.. do what you want bro but I wouldnt waste my time with trt levels of test.
If you have your mind made up why make a thread 🤷‍♂️
 
Nood said:
Still want to make your first cycle worth while. 200 isn’t going to get you much. Want to be anabolic be anabolic lol.. do what you want bro but I wouldnt waste my time with trt levels of test.
If you have your mind made up why make a thread 🤷‍♂️
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Better to have other perspectives than just my own. Mind isn’t totally made up.
couldn’t start a cycle without consulting the guerillas you know what I mean lol
 
It really isn’t that complicated , pick a starting dose and go from there ! Will you see some gains ?? I’m sure , but maximum gains ? Who knows trial and error , everyone is different.
 

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