Lab Results - Advice? - AA Gear is G2G!

[BadDevlin]

Well, I said I would post these no matter what, and here they are. I've been totally convinced the last few weeks that my gear was underdosed, and I was wrong. It's a humbling experience and it's the right thing to do: Anabolic America's gear is totally legit and I should have waited for blood results before I said anything. Lesson learned, and I will proceed with more restraint in the future. Really, really do feel like an asshole so I mean that.

So, on to the fun stuff:

I have no idea why I've been so slow to gain on cycle. My diet is ON POINT. I attached a pic of typical Sunday meal prep so you can see I'm not fucking around. I weigh out every portion and track everything with MyFitnessPal for Android. I could pull up any random day for the past 6 months and tell you exactly what I had to eat and my total cals - p/c/f that day. I was at a 500 cal surplus before I got on gear and then I upped it to at least +600 on rest days and up to +1000 on training days. I'm getting sleep 7-8hrs a night consistently, drink a ton of water, take a multi and fish oil and flaxseed etc...I don't smoke, I don't drink ANY alcohol or do any drugs, my diet and body are as clean as clean can be.

Training I do 4 day split, sometimes(usually) 5 days:
Sat-Chest/Tri Sun-Back/Bi Monday-Rest Tuesday-Shoulders/Traps Wednesday-Legs/Chest Thursday-Arms(optional) Friday-Rest
With abs mixed in 3 days a week. Usually get it in for 1.5hrs per session, mostly high volume till I feel pukey. I mix it up every 4 weeks usually on every 4th or 5th week I do a drop sets for a week then go heavy and do 5x5 for two weeks. Usually only hit secondary muscle group for any given day for the last 1/2 hour so chest day I do straight chest for an hour then maybe half hour for my tris. I know we're supposed to be doing legs twice a week but my chest has always been weak so I do chest twice. Whatever.

Started this cycle at about 183 now I am up to about 190 after 8 weeks and my strength gains are mediocre at best. My BF appears to be about the same. Maybe I was just expecting too much from a test only cycle?

Some notes about the lab results:

Blood was drawn about 18hrs after pinning 1.5ml 250mg/ml Test E.

Obviously I had been forgetting to take my Aromasin and since I got blood drawn I have been better with it. Since Saturday I've taken 12.5/EOD, today I took a whole 25 when I saw my labs, and I'm gonna take 12.5/ED for the next week before I go back to EOD. I might stick to 12.5/ED depending on how my joints feel. At the time of the draw I hadn't had any in probably 4 days. Clearly I don't want to learn the hard way and end up with bitch tits. So I'm on it, gotchya

The other thing is my high WBC/neutrophils/eosinophils. From what I understand this usually indicates an infection, however I haven't had symptoms of anything so I don't think it's that. I have also come to understand it could be from an allergic or toxic reaction to chemicals, or inflammation and trauma to muscle tissue from injury or very strenuous exercise...

So I was getting MAD PIP and inflammation from the gear, which I believe could be a reaction to benzyl alcohol. Also, as I said I fucking go to total annihilation almost every time I work out, I usually know when to stop when I start feeling pukey and I just want to lay down on the floor. So the CBC really doesn't strike me as that odd all things considered.

Lastly is FSH/LH, I have HCG en route and even bought a mini fridge for my room to keep the shit stored properly. I also have Nolva and Clomid on hand for when it's time for PCT.

Lastly, my RDW was high and my RBC looks at the top of the threshold, so should I go donate blood? There's a place right up the street from me so that's not an issue either.

Thanks

 

[wef823]

You're up 7 pounds in 8 weeks, that's really not that bad if them gains are quality. Do you take measurements (arms, legs, chest, etc.)?

Are you willing to quantify your strength gains for us? Perhaps what you consider mediocre is actually good, but you're expecting too much.

How much Test are you taking each week?

Eat more.

 

[KCBARBELLJOE]

I knew your shit was good.
Yeah eat more. 500 extra calories is nothing. Start eating 4000 calories 350g of protein and get back to me. You will explode. I did.

Good to see a positive review though

Best of luck

 

[BadDevlin]

I knew your shit was good.
Yeah eat more. 500 extra calories is nothing. Start eating 4000 calories 350g of protein and get back to me. You will explode. I did.

Good to see a positive review though

Best of luck

Well like I said 500 cal surplus was before I got on gear. 600 extra on rest days when I'm literally just sitting on my ass all day. +1000 on leg day sometimes probably more. I try to adjust depending on the level of training that day and the size of the muscle group I'm training. 1000 cal surplus is about 3500 cals for me, maybe 3600 now that I've put on a few pounds. If I go up to 4000 cals my gut will be the only thing that explodes. I know my body, I gotta watch the BF too because mine will shoot up before I even realize it. I have actually upped it a little in the last couple weeks and my stomach just got big and distended looking. Take a look at the attached pic of my meal prep man my diet is not the problem at all. I have a scale too everything is accounted for and logged with a diet app on my phone.

All things considered, I don't think I was really having the problems I thought I was having, I think I was just expecting way too much from a Test only cycle. That being said, I'm adding 50mg/ED Tren-A this weekend for the duration of the cycle. Maybe then I will try to smash 4000 cals every day cause Tren will burn through that shit relentlessly. I have all my ancillaries on hand and if I get too many sides or it gets too intense I can stop and Tren A will clear my system in a couple days.

 

[KCBARBELLJOE]

Idk man. Then again everyone is different. Sure I gained some body fat. But my numbers skyrocketed

 

[BadDevlin]

You're up 7 pounds in 8 weeks, that's really not that bad if them gains are quality. Do you take measurements (arms, legs, chest, etc.)?

Are you willing to quantify your strength gains for us? Perhaps what you consider mediocre is actually good, but you're expecting too much.

How much Test are you taking each week?

Eat more.

Ya you're right, that is a lot better than natty that's for sure. I don't measure but at least a few people have commented that I'm getting big, looking swole, damn dude you're getting big, etc...

I don't have a way to quantify my strength gains other than how much more it 'feels like' I'm doing, I should have done 1RM on the big 4 before I started but I didn't think, I thought I would just explode and it'd be completely obvious. My bench is up probably 15lbs, deads are up 30lbs or so, squats are up probably 20-30lbs, my shoulders are making the most gains my shoulder press is up 15lbs at least - it's hard to say though because again, I don't have maxes to compare to. Next cycle I'm gonna make sure I log my workouts as meticulously as I do my food.

I think you're right though, I read all these logs where dudes are like "My first Test cycle my squats went up SIX MILLION POUNDS and week 6 I my weight shot up NINE HUNDRED FUCKING POUNDS and my piss is GLOWING IN THE FUCKING DARK!!!" so I expected to be beastmode in a few weeks.

I was taking 500mg of Test each week except starting week 5-8 I gradually tapered up to 750mg (if the gear was dosed properly), now I'm on different gear and taking 600mg/week.

From what I've been told recently however, these labs may be totally useless? There is apparently a strict protocol one has to follow to test a batch of Test with labs and I did not follow that. This blood was drawn only 18hrs after pinning 1.5ml. But I guess at least I know my total test is at 'cycle' levels right?

 

[friendofzeus]

wait a minute, test e only cycle and you're on week 8? did you kick start with prop or dbol or anything? (skimmed your posts, pretty busy).

 

[BadDevlin]

wait a minute, test e only cycle and you're on week 8? did you kick start with prop or dbol or anything? (skimmed your posts, pretty busy).

No kick start. Just Test-E from the get-go

 

[friendofzeus]

well fuck man, the fun is just getting started. 6 weeks for the full effects, so you've really only been "on cycle" at full results for 2 weeks. i still remember my first cycle 20 weeks, kickstarted with dbol, 750mg test e/wk and used dbol weeks 12-16 again. stacked on a solid 39 lbs.

 

[BadDevlin]

well fuck man, the fun is just getting started. 6 weeks for the full effects, so you've really only been "on cycle" at full results for 2 weeks. i still remember my first cycle 20 weeks, kickstarted with dbol, 750mg test e/wk and used dbol weeks 12-16 again. stacked on a solid 39 lbs.

That made me laugh because now I feel better about what I'm planning lol. Going to run my cycle to 16 weeks. Switched to new gear so I'm pinning 600mg/wk Test-E, tomorrow going to start 50mg/ED Tren-A for the duration of the cycle, and depending how much I'm gaining and if I'm having sides, going to run dbol weeks 12-16...I know a lot of the vets treat that like a cardinal sin but I can come off Tren-A super quick if it's too much. I tend to handle my drugs pretty well so mostly I'm just looking forward to the alleged miracle drug that is tren...the dbol is up in the air, we'll see...I would like to put on 30lbs or so and keep at least 20 of it after PCT.

 

[independent]

Hcg does nothing for lh/fsh levels.

 

[BadDevlin]

Hcg does nothing for lh/fsh levels.

That would be because it just mimics LH, right?

 

[bigbreads80]

What week are you on 6 or 8 of 16 correct? Whichever of somewhere around there , I would start the dbol right now. Go 30-40 mg ed for 4 weeks. Then run the tren after that. If you save that dbol for the end , chances are you will(maybe) blow up but then just piss it right back out because your body hasn't had a chance to get used to and solidify those gains. That and like was said in another post , you are really just now getting going on your cycle and having stable levels at a high number. Gaining a good 6-8 lbs this early in cycle and still having all this time left-I think your sitting pretty. I've seen a lot of guys not really get going all the way until week 10. Then they just blow up. It'll come bro. Who gives a shit what anyone's says about your labs-it's your cycle and your gains. As long as you are happy with it that's all that matters. Maybe up your protein and carbs some and I'd thrown in that dbol now and keep on growing. Either way you sound like your doing just fine. Good luck brother!

 

[BadDevlin]

What week are you on 6 or 8 of 16 correct? Whichever of somewhere around there , I would start the dbol right now. Go 30-40 mg ed for 4 weeks. Then run the tren after that. If you save that dbol for the end , chances are you will(maybe) blow up but then just piss it right back out because your body hasn't had a chance to get used to and solidify those gains. That and like was said in another post , you are really just now getting going on your cycle and having stable levels at a high number. Gaining a good 6-8 lbs this early in cycle and still having all this time left-I think your sitting pretty. I've seen a lot of guys not really get going all the way until week 10. Then they just blow up. It'll come bro. Who gives a shit what anyone's says about your labs-it's your cycle and your gains. As long as you are happy with it that's all that matters. Maybe up your protein and carbs some and I'd thrown in that dbol now and keep on growing. Either way you sound like your doing just fine. Good luck brother!

Thanks man! I got the tren already and still waiting on the dbol...I'll see if I can hold off but that shit is callin' my name lol. I have enough to finish out the cycle so I feel like i might as well just started it now, then instead of waiting till the end to start the dbol start that as soon as it comes which should be tomorrow...