Just got bloodwork back after trt dosage, and need advice please.

[flapjacktitties]

41 years old
4 previous cycles

Finished a cycle of test/deca a few months ago and decided to just drop to trt levels instead of doing a pct. Pinned on Thursday, got blood drawn 24h later.

At 100mg total per week, split into 2 pins, I ended up at 1113 total, 323 free, and e2 105.

This was a big(bad) surprise.

This just opened a whole can of worms. Could this be because the Deca hasn't fully cleared yet? I haven't felt the need for an AI so I haven't taken one, but now I'm not sure if I should be, even though I feel really good.

Any advice? Lower the dose to get under 1100/add an ai/recheck bloods in a month?

Or continue as-is?

Thanks guys

 

[JB4976]

Continue the course if you aren't feeling like shit or have any symptoms that are hindering your progress.

 

[Meetketchup]

Deca only converts to E2 at 20% that of test and it's 4 weeks since your last shot, so I would employ a very low dose AI and retest in 4 weeks and dial it in.

 

[Wardamn]

Start an AI then repull bloods.

 

[flapjacktitties]

Deca only converts to E2 at 20% that of test and it's 4 weeks since your last shot, so I would employ a very low dose AI and retest in 4 weeks and dial it in.

My last deca pin was 2-3 months ago. I've been doing the trt dose ever since.

 

[celrin321]

What's your bf %?

 

[flapjacktitties]

Also, just to add. In 2023,when I first began steroids, my levels were 354 total, 96 free, 17 e2.

 

[flapjacktitties]

What's your bf %?

Probably 20-25%. Been creeping up. Dialing in the diet has been ridiculous.

 

[Meetketchup]

My last deca pin was 2-3 months ago. I've been doing the trt dose ever since.

Then add an AI. Get your E2 under 60 or so.

 

[flapjacktitties]

Start an AI then repull bloods.

I've always used asin(12.5 eod) when on cycle. Would 6.25 mg twice a week (days that I pin) be low enough?

 

[Wardamn]

I've always used asin(12.5 eod) when on cycle. Would 6.25 mg twice a week (days that I pin) be low enough?

That would be a good start.

 

[flapjacktitties]

That would be a good start.

Thank you for the guidance.

 

[Wardamn]

Very welcome

 

[flapjacktitties]

UPDATE:

Pinned on a Monday, drew blood 48h later.
Test:1413
Free test:360

Still waiting on E2. Going to lower my weekly dosage a bit to get under 1100.

 

[Razzle Dazzle]

Need an ultra sensitive test for E2 when using 19-nors.

 

[flapjacktitties]

Need an ultra sensitive test for E2 when using 19-nors.

Yes. That's what I've always gotten, and what I'm waiting on now.

 

[flapjacktitties]

E2 came back 25. That's just off of 6.25mg of asin 2x a week.

 

[flapjacktitties]

I'm not sure if it's the glp1 I'm taking, or the low e2/higher test, but I've been exhausted for a month. Going to lower the test to around 80mgs, and AI to 1 dose of 6.25 per week. I'd like to bring the test into the high-normal range, and get the e2 a bit higher. Unless anyone else has any ideas.

 

[heavydutygorilla]

I'm not sure if it's the glp1 I'm taking, or the low e2/higher test, but I've been exhausted for a month. Going to lower the test to around 80mgs, and AI to 1 dose of 6.25 per week. I'd like to bring the test into the high-normal range, and get the e2 a bit higher. Unless anyone else has any ideas.

Most likely due to that drop in your e2. I had high e2 last blast and nuked my shit on accident with aromasin(hit 12.5mg twice a week) and extreme fatigue and exhaustion. Even modafinil couldn't keep me from a nap

 

[flapjacktitties]

Most likely due to that drop in your e2. I had high e2 last blast and nuked my shit on accident with aromasin(hit 12.5mg twice a week) and extreme fatigue and exhaustion. Even modafinil couldn't keep me from a nap

Dude, nothing gets me out of bed right now except having to go to work. I actually felt better when I first made this post and my e2 was over 100.

 

[heavydutygorilla]

Dude, nothing gets me out of bed right now except having to go to work. I actually felt better when I first made this post and my e2 was over 100.

Hope it rebounds quickly for you brother, definitely not fun!

 

[Algz]

I thought the method generally accepted was testing just before the next pin on the schedule whatever that may be.. The basement of the trough per say?

 

[Bm1012]

I thought the method generally accepted was testing just before the next pin on the schedule whatever that may be.. The basement of the trough per say?

It is. I always pull bloods first thing in the morning before my next pin.


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[flapjacktitties]

I thought the method generally accepted was testing just before the next pin on the schedule whatever that may be.. The basement of the trough per say?

I've read a couple different timeframes. I pin Monday/Thursday at noon. Pulled bloods Wednesday around 2pm.

 

[Algz]

I've read a couple different timeframes. I pin Monday/Thursday at noon. Pulled bloods Wednesday around 2pm.

Just saying, those giving advice on taking AI might assume you are testing like Monday before your pin if you do M/T.. Your levels are definitely not the same on Wednesday afternoon..

 

[Ivan Ooze]

Dude, nothing gets me out of bed right now except having to go to work. I actually felt better when I first made this post and my e2 was over 100.

If your sleep and diet are dialed in (I may get ripped for this because from the “test is test” guys) swap to TP or TPP and see if it doesn’t pep you up. I always feel more lively on a short ester compared to enth or cyp and i work 12 hour swing shift

 

[flapjacktitties]

Just saying, those giving advice on taking AI might assume you are testing like Monday before your pin if you do M/T.. Your levels are definitely not the same on Wednesday afternoon..

Just to clarify, are you saying I should wait til the morning of for bloods, and make all decisions of test dosage/ai off those numbers?

 

[flapjacktitties]

Just saying, those giving advice on taking AI might assume you are testing like Monday before your pin if you do M/T.. Your levels are definitely not the same on Wednesday afternoon..

Just to clarify, are you saying I should wait til the morning of for bloods, and make all decisions of test dosage/ai off those numbers?

 

[Bm1012]

Just to clarify, are you saying I should wait til the morning of for bloods, and make all decisions of test dosage/ai off those numbers?

Morning of and before you pin for true trough numbers


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[Algz]

Just to clarify, are you saying I should wait til the morning of for bloods, and make all decisions of test dosage/ai off those numbers?

Yes like I’m on Prop and C.. I pin the Prop ED and the C EOD. So I tested 24hrs post Prop injection and 48hrs after last test C dosage.. literally to within a few minutes of target plus drove a 100 miles to get there by 8am. Testing sucks, but for me it makes all this much easier to eliminate guessing.. Being green it reinforces how my body feels..