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Long story short, I took a break from weight lifting over the holidays, then got sick, which extended the break.

Knowing myself, I realize that I may be a while before I pick up the dumbbells again. Yes, yes, I am a lazy fuck, etc. I pre-emptively agree, but I have been really sick of weight lifting for a new months and it has been like pulling teeth each time.

To that end, I don’t see a reason to keep using gear if I take a longer break. Now it could be that I decide to go back to lifting again next week. But if I do stop for a longer time, I would want to stop using gear as well.

I am currently using roughly 125 mg of test cyp per week, down from 185 or so when I was lifting. No other compounds ever.

The following is the recommendation for PCT pinned for this forum:

“While the AAS ester is clearing : 2500iu HCG every third day for 2 weeks. (You may use less HCG if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using HCG on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu HCG every third day.)

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3 AFTER the AAS ester clears)

20mg/20mg/20mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks)

3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses

10g creatine daily”

Does that sound reasonable? I ask because I was previously told that the amount of Aromasin recommended on-cycle in the same post was way too high. Here it says 20 mg daily for three weeks, which seems way too much based on previous comments. I am wondering if that may also apply to the Clomid or HCG…
 
I got you , you were asking if u need nilvadex . You had be lost there . Even on 200 mg a week of test I would be surprised if u need estrogen control . Unless you aromatize easily
 
OlePhart said:
Aromasin? Did you mean Nolvadex? That much Aromasin would not be good. It's an AI like Arimidex. Your E2 would be smashed. Even if Nolvadex is correct just don't do a PCT and do what @Bigdaddyjak said.
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The recipe for PCT involving 20 mg of daily Aromasin is taken verbatim from a pinned post from this forum about first cycle:

heavyiron

Thread '👉 The Effects of Testosterone on the Body - First Cycle Info'

The effects of Testosterone

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by John Connor

One of the most common question I’m asked is “what should I do for a first cycle?” The questions are; “what steroid should I take?” “How long should I take it?” and “What will the effects be?” There are literally dozens of steroids available and that makes it difficult for a first time user to choose. The following information will attempt to provide enough information for a first time user to make an educated decision about anabolic androgenic steroid use...
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The fact it recommends so much Aromasin, which people keep saying is crazy, sort of makes me dubious about the other advice in that post…
Bigdaddyjak said:
Sure, or instead of all that fucking around . Run low dose trt .
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The problem with that is I feel like I am going to get a heart attack from anxiety every time I order this shit. I can’t imagine having to deal with that for the rest of my life, let alone having to go to prison for it eventually.

As for the possibility of doing TRT through a men’s clinic, it costs and arm and a leg and I am not rich by the farthest stretch of the imagination.

But all else being equal, does that recipe for PCT in the pinned post sound reasonable, if I cut out the daily Aromasin it recommends?
 
I cycled on and off well into my 50s and still take at lease 8 weeks off once a year to "exercise" my HPTA. I'm always more sensitive to test/AAS afterward and probably why i never needed to use retard doses. Being off is not as fun as being on but at least for my generation it was part of the lifestyle and most if not all of us are still alive and healthy. PCT helps. But to each his own.
 
honestly man don't beat yourself up over the break - sometimes you just need to step away so it stops feeling like a chore. i've been there and the gym will always be there when the itch comes back.

you're totally right about that aromasin dose though... 20mg daily is absolutely insane for a PCT especially if you're only coming off 125mg of test. you'll crash your e2 so fast and feel like death. honestly that whole pinned protocol looks a bit old school and "overkill" for a trt-level dose.

if i were you id check out the r/steroids wiki pct guide - usually just some nolvadex or a much lower dose of clomid is plenty for a cruise-level recovery. also definitely skip that much aromasin unless u actually have high e2 symptoms!
 
honestly man i totally feel the burnout because forcing yourself to lift when you just aren't into it is the absolute worst. but yeah that pct protocol looks like it was written in 2005 or something lol 20mg of aromasin daily would literally crush your estrogen into the dirt and make you feel like absolute death especially while your trying to get your natural test back. at 125mg a week your levels aren't even that crazy high so you really don't need to nuke your system like that. id probably stick to a much lower dose of clomid and maybe just some nolvadex instead because 100mg of clomid is going to make you see spots and turn you into an emotional wreck. keep it simple and dont overthink the supplements too much just focus on not feeling like garbage while the ester clears out. gl with the break brother sometimes you just need to step away to find the fire again.
 
honestly man i totally feel the burnout because forcing yourself to lift when you just aren't into it is the absolute worst. but yeah that pct protocol looks like it was written in 2005 or something lol 20mg of aromasin daily would literally crush your estrogen into the dirt and make you feel like absolute death especially while your trying to get your natural test back. at 125mg a week your levels aren't even that crazy high so you really don't need to nuke your system like that. id probably stick to a much lower dose of clomid and maybe just some nolvadex instead because 100mg of clomid is going to make you see spots and turn you into an emotional wreck. keep it simple and dont overthink the supplements too much just focus on not feeling like garbage while the ester clears out. gl with the break brother sometimes you just need to step away to find the fire again.
 
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When I got out of the hospital I was off test for around 2 months and when u don’t have it my body 100% shrinks, I been back on for past 3 months and I just got the ok to go back to the gym but I stay on test, I naturally put weight back on and you would think I still go to the gym, everyone different though I shrivel without you may not
 
I already feel flabbier, so I may force myself next week. We’ll see if I can summon the willpower!
 
oldbull said:
The recipe for PCT involving 20 mg of daily Aromasin is taken verbatim from a pinned post from this forum about first cycle:

heavyiron

Thread '👉 The Effects of Testosterone on the Body - First Cycle Info'

The effects of Testosterone

jon2.jpg


by John Connor

One of the most common question I’m asked is “what should I do for a first cycle?” The questions are; “what steroid should I take?” “How long should I take it?” and “What will the effects be?” There are literally dozens of steroids available and that makes it difficult for a first time user to choose. The following information will attempt to provide enough information for a first time user to make an educated decision about anabolic androgenic steroid use...
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The fact it recommends so much Aromasin, which people keep saying is crazy, sort of makes me dubious about the other advice in that post…

The problem with that is I feel like I am going to get a heart attack from anxiety every time I order this shit. I can’t imagine having to deal with that for the rest of my life, let alone having to go to prison for it eventually.

As for the possibility of doing TRT through a men’s clinic, it costs and arm and a leg and I am not rich by the farthest stretch of the imagination.

But all else being equal, does that recipe for PCT in the pinned post sound reasonable, if I cut out the daily Aromasin it recommends?
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Brother nobody in the history of law and order has gone to prison for ordering a vial of testosterone...and if you did get caught you deny ever ordering it...unless you sign for the package its an unprosecutable "crime"...anybody could have ordered something and had it delivered to your house.
 

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