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Is there a better cycle for mass??

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J Caffery

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Okay, So I have been on TRT for about 15 years and a few years ago I decided to run a couple of test primo cycles..... Fast forward to the last 3 cycles which have all been test, eq, and deca. My last blast was 800mg test, 600 mg EQ, 300 mg deca (pinned daily) and 6 IU GH pre bed daily. I got good results with it, but also a noticeable amount of water gain. I have been leaning toward this cycle for my next blast as well after this health phase, but I wanted to see if there was a better compound protocol for mass without the water? I don't really like orals as they are hard on lipid markers, so id rather go with injectables. Thanks in advance for any input.

Just for a bit more context. Here are some of my numbers mid cycle on my last blast.

Free Test 1282
Total Test 3444
E2 39
SHBG 6
IGF 488
GGT 18
Cystatin C .92
APOB 87
Hematocrit 49.6
RBC 16.9
 
J Caffery said:
Okay, So I have been on TRT for about 15 years and a few years ago I decided to run a couple of test primo cycles..... Fast forward to the last 3 cycles which have all been test, eq, and deca. My last blast was 800mg test, 600 mg EQ, 300 mg deca (pinned daily) and 6 IU GH pre bed daily. I got good results with it, but also a noticeable amount of water gain. I have been leaning toward this cycle for my next blast as well after this health phase, but I wanted to see if there was a better compound protocol for mass without the water? I don't really like orals as they are hard on lipid markers, so id rather go with injectables. Thanks in advance for any input.

Just for a bit more context. Here are some of my numbers mid cycle on my last blast.

Free Test 1282
Total Test 3444
E2 39
SHBG 6
IGF 488
GGT 18
Cystatin C .92
APOB 87
Hematocrit 49.6
RBC 16.9
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Test, EQ and Deca is always a good cycle.

Sus, mast, tren is a very nice go to 💪🏼
 
Sickxlost said:
Test, EQ and Deca is always a good cycle.

Sus, mast, tren is a very nice go to 💪🏼
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Ironically, that was the very cycle I was considering. I know mast works a little different E2 wise but I have aromisin on hand just in case, But the planned cycle would be 800 test, 600 mast, 200 tren ace dosed daily, with 6 IU gh nightly pre bed.
 
Test EQ NPP is one of the best so called "mass" cycles there is.
If you want the cycle a little "dryer" you would forsr have to figure out why your retaining so much water. Diet? Too much GH perhaps? Is it the Deca?
Id probably drop the deca. Do test and eq. And start the gh lower and ramp it up slowly until you see water retention.
And. Make sure the diet is clean. Guys used to run test and deca and get on stage. So there's that.
 
J Caffery said:
Ironically, that was the very cycle I was considering. I know mast works a little different E2 wise but I have aromisin on hand just in case, But the planned cycle would be 800 test, 600 mast, 200 tren ace dosed daily, with 6 IU gh nightly pre bed.
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Sounds like it was meant to be bro 💪🏼😁
 
BigC235 said:
I ran Test at 600 mast 400 and Added NPP at 300 with about 3 months left in the bulk and added about 35 pounds. It's pretty much my bread n butter. In my health phase now and appears like a lot of the weight added was pretty quality !
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My results were roughly the same, I have dieted back down to 10-11% and the end result is about 26 pounds heavier now with more noticeable muscle mass. Part of me says don't try to fix what seems to be working (so far anyways) LOL
 
There will be a wide range of opinions on what is best.
Listening to many pro they talk of test and EQ being the basis for most of their gaining cycles. Same with me. Often throw in some deca too. Course tren and mast were used as well
 
J Caffery said:
1.75 grams a week....Thats quite a healthy test dose bro lol
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😉 no need for other silly compounds if mass is what you’re chasing. Cluttering up your androgen receptors and flooding the cns with non bio identical messengers… test is best. Just manage accordingly.

Oh and add 5+ iu’s hgh/day too. You’re welcome.
 
Vee said:
😉 no need for other silly compounds if mass is what you’re chasing. Cluttering up your androgen receptors and flooding the cns with non bio identical messengers… test is best. Just manage accordingly.

Oh and add 5+ iu’s hgh/day too. You’re welcome.
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I am at 6IU daily GH. What amount of aromasin or anastrozole does that require weekly? Ball park of course, I know we all aromatize differently
 
J Caffery said:
I am at 6IU daily GH. What amount of aromasin or anastrozole does that require weekly? Ball park of course, I know we all aromatize differently
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Nice! 6iu is stout. I wouldn’t be able to tell ya, you would have to figure that one out with your own body.

The thing is this; when you inject Test every day, you are minimizing estrogen risk and dht conversion based on almost zero hormonal fluctuation peaks and valleys (unless you are gonna use Test Suspension or Acetate daily as a stand alone Test) …so you may need far less Ai than you think and have less estrogen issues than you’d imagine.

Whatever you are taking now, if any, just be prepared to be taking 3x as much (based on your current estrogen level), as a worse case scenario…but i think you’ll need less than you think. Gotta experiment in this game!
 
Vee said:
Nice! 6iu is stout. I wouldn’t be able to tell ya, you would have to figure that one out with your own body.

The thing is this; when you inject Test every day, you are minimizing estrogen risk and dht conversion based on almost zero hormonal fluctuation peaks and valleys (unless you are gonna use Test Suspension or Acetate daily as a stand alone Test) …so you may need far less Ai than you think and have less estrogen issues than you’d imagine.

Whatever you are taking now, if any, just be prepared to be taking 3x as much (based on your current estrogen level), as a worse case scenario…but i think you’ll need less than you think. Gotta experiment in this game!
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Noted: Thanks for the input.
 

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