First PCT Ever (15 years TRT)…

[elit3keraed]

So without going into a long detail about my past, I was diagnosed secondary hypogonadal when I was 20. Clomid worked for raising test but the sides were horrible and doctors refused shots and would only give me androgel that sent my e2 into the 250 range. Wound up starting shots on my own and been on for 15 years. Did some minor blasts between 25 and 30. Got divorced, lost interest in being huge and shredded and just went to my standard TRT dosage for a few years.

I decided to try to PCT mainly for fertility reasons. I was cutting on 500mg of test c until the 20th of September (last pin date) when I wound up with cellulitis from a pin and decided it was a good time to go into maintenance and start PCT.


Took a week off lifting weighing 197 lbs (needed a break and to let my leg heal up). calories went up to about 2500 (from 1800) and I dropped to 195ish. Raised it to 3000 calories and now I’m down to 194.

PCT consists of the following

HCG 500ius MWF (since July in anticipation of this)
Enclomiphene 12.5mg ED (since the 1st of October)
HMG 25 IUs MWF


Strength seems to be the same (maybe lost a rep on barbell inclines but hitting dumbbells presses for that extra rep sort of thing) and girlfriend has been commenting that I look even leaner now.

Now I figured if I was going to PCT off a bulk then I’d lose weight but since I’m coming off a cut I figured I’d gain weight on PCT. Especially eating 50% more calories (I was eating 3000 a day to maintain 215lbs pre cut).

I’m aware that test causes your muscles to hold more glycogen and water but I can’t imagine my metabolism being better with my levels tanking (i know it’ll take 4-6 weeks for the cypionate to be fully clear but at this point i should be feeling pretty shitty unless this enclomiphene is really as effective as people say).

Has anyone ever experienced a weird period of looking leaner or having a better metabolism in that sort of “purgatory” of PCT (between last pin and the fist week or two of serms)?

 

[zwhit]

I've never used enclompinene but you dropped water and and look leaner and still very insulin sensitive from the cut. Your test levels are still up at this point to hold your muscle and strength. The enclompinene hopefully will keep then there but I can't comment on what to expect from it. But other than that, yea it's pretty normal a few weeks out from dropping/lowering test in my experience. You'll know how well the enclompinene is working in a few more weeks once the exogenous test clears completely.

Been a while since I've been completely off but I'd give it a few more weeks before assessing anything other than increasing carbs too fast

 

[elit3keraed]

I've never used enclompinene but you dropped water and and look leaner and still very insulin sensitive from the cut. Your test levels are still up at this point to hold your muscle and strength. The enclompinene hopefully will keep then there but I can't comment on what to expect from it. But other than that, yea it's pretty normal a few weeks out from dropping/lowering test in my experience. You'll know how well the enclompinene is working in a few more weeks once the exogenous test clears completely.

Been a while since I've been completely off but I'd give it a few more weeks before assessing anything other than increasing carbs too fast

Right on. I was super fucking confused cuz even coming off compounds from cuts (like cruising on test while dropping tren and mast) there’s been very obvious negative changes in my physique but this was unexpected.

I did do some measurements though and noticed I’ve dropped about a half inch on my arms and chest so definitely water weight then. I’ll ease back on my carbs a bit and give myself a few weeks to assess rather than stay at 3k.

Appreciate the reply

 

[Glycomann]

Give it a try but I wouldn't expect to see recovery in anything less than 6 months, that is, if you can recover after 15 years of suppression especially if you were hypogonadal to start with in your 20s.