First Cycle questions

[dcdogz]

say I go 350 - 500 test a week for a real blast.

I see most here recommend NOT adding compounds for a first cycle, but I also see an immense hatred for AI's.

If I happen to get some high estrogen sides what would be best recommended to control E?

also when coming off to trt, would I just drop my dose to 150, and drop ai/compound when im done?

 

[Astro95]

mf you been here a while lol pretty sure there’s like 3000 threads with all this info

 

[dcdogz]

mf you been here a while lol pretty sure there’s like 3000 threads with all this info

i know, i know i just dont want to bump an old thread. dammed if i do dammed if i dont. but u guys mostly confuse me with the AI/compound.

Im leaning towards aromasin personally, which i have on hand.

 

[dcdogz]

mf you been here a while lol pretty sure there’s like 3000 threads with all this info

honestly i probably wont do shit and just keep shitposting and pinning 200 test e a week.

since its mad easy.

 

[Astro95]

i know, i know i just dont want to bump an old thread. dammed if i do dammed if i dont. but u guys mostly confuse me with the AI/compound.

Im leaning towards aromasin personally, which i have on hand.

Okay so, the consensus is to not take AI until bloods confirm you have high e2. When you have have ran multiple cycles you know how e2 feels and should have a baseline of about how much test does what, so you can deploy ai as you see fit without having to pull bloods every time. I would suggest you do that, start at 350. Pull bloods at 6 weeks and see where you’re at. In the event of you getting “high e2 symptoms” before you pull bloods, I still suggest to ride it out unless it’s like terrible and obvious high estrogen, can’t put a shirt on because your nipples are gonna bleed type of sides. I feel like Aromasin and Arimidex both have a place. Aromasin will slowly drop e2, Arimidex will drop it fast. Aromasin more user friendly, but if e2 sky high and you need to drop it in a pinch it’ll take a minute…

 

[dcdogz]

Okay so, the consensus is to not take AI until bloods confirm you have high e2. When you have have ran multiple cycles you know how e2 feels and should have a baseline of about how much test does what, so you can deploy ai as you see fit without having to pull bloods every time. I would suggest you do that, start at 350. Pull bloods at 6 weeks and see where you’re at. In the event of you getting “high e2 symptoms” before you pull bloods, I still suggest to ride it out unless it’s like terrible and obvious high estrogen, can’t put a shirt on because your nipples are gonna bleed type of sides. I feel like Aromasin and Arimidex both have a place. Aromasin will slowly drop e2, Arimidex will drop it fast. Aromasin more user friendly, but if e2 sky high and you need to drop it in a pinch it’ll take a minute…

yea thats what i thought, its annoying how long bloods are taking right now. My E/test numbers have been taking 7 - 9 days.

 

[Astro95]

When you go back to trt you simply go back to your trt dose, the drug will taper itself down.

 

[Astro95]

yea thats what i thought, its annoying how long bloods are taking right now. My E/test numbers have been taking 7 - 9 days.

What’s your e2 on trt?

 

[dcdogz]

What’s your e2 on trt?

@ 150 test E 40 - 50
@ 220 test E 75

 

[01dragonslayer]

i know, i know i just dont want to bump an old thread. dammed if i do dammed if i dont. but u guys mostly confuse me with the AI/compound.

Im leaning towards aromasin personally, which i have on hand.

I personally use aromasin for all my cycles. Doesn't take much, works great, and doesn't mess with lipids.

 

[Astro95]

@ 150 test E 40 - 50
@ 220 test E 75

Safe to assume at 350 your e2 would be over 100. I’d take 25mg of Aromasin twice a week from the get go. Or 12.5 x2 and pull bloods, but doubt that’ll be enough.

 

[Meetketchup]

What is your current bodyfat %? I'm asking due to estrogen recommendation.

 

[Wiseguy]

Regardless if what you read the only sure way to say you have high estrogen is blood work and thats it. So, I've been running cycles for over 30 years and I only had to use AI twice for a couple of days and adjust the gear dosage. You need estrogen to grow and little elevated is not an issue.

This whole AI thing IMO is over played. Guys are just taking it on regular basis along side of gear to avoid high estrogen, which it doesn't make sense without blood work confirmation. Anyway, that's just my experience and opinion, but you do what's best for you.

 

[dcdogz]

What is your current bodyfat %? I'm asking due to estrogen recommendation.

18 - 22. too fat. hopefully by February can do this hypothetical blast 350 test e blast.

 

[dcdogz]

Regardless if what you read the only sure way to say you have high estrogen is blood work and thats it. So, I've been running cycles for over 30 years and I only had to use AI twice for a couple of days and adjust the gear dosage. You need estrogen to grow and little elevated is not an issue.

This whole AI thing IMO is over played. Guys are just taking it on regular basis along side of gear to avoid high estrogen, which it doesn't make sense without blood work confirmation. Anyway, that's just my experience and opinion, but you do what's best for you.

i personally feel pretty good 40 - 80 no sides at all or anything, but I know > 65 is up there. Ideally id like to keep it 60ish.

 

[dcdogz]

Safe to assume at 350 your e2 would be over 100. I’d take 25mg of Aromasin twice a week from the get go. Or 12.5 x2 and pull bloods, but doubt that’ll be enough.

id probably do 12.5 and pull bloods, id rather deal with high E then low e tbh.

 

[Astro95]

id probably do 12.5 and pull bloods, id rather deal with high E then low e tbh.

Won’t be high, that’s what I used at around 100ish e2 and it’d always land me around 60-70. But yep 12.5 x2 and see what it does.

 

[dcdogz]

Regardless if what you read the only sure way to say you have high estrogen is blood work and thats it. So, I've been running cycles for over 30 years and I only had to use AI twice for a couple of days and adjust the gear dosage. You need estrogen to grow and little elevated is not an issue.

This whole AI thing IMO is over played. Guys are just taking it on regular basis along side of gear to avoid high estrogen, which it doesn't make sense without blood work confirmation. Anyway, that's just my experience and opinion, but you do what's best for you.

if youre blasting at 500 you mean youd take ai until sides go away and wait for sides to come back? or do you mean youd drop dose entirely?

 

[dcdogz]

Won’t be high, that’s what I used at around 100ish e2 and it’d always land me around 60-70. But yep 12.5 x2 and see what it does.

60 ish would be perfect for me.

 

[Wiseguy]

if youre blasting at 500 you mean youd take ai until sides go away and wait for sides to come back? or do you mean youd drop dose entirely?

I drop the dose myself. AI’s too many negatives. I would rather do 400 mg with no excess estrogen or take 500 and kill the estrogen. Defeats the whole purpose of growth. Again, just me and many many will disagree.

 

[Meetketchup]

18 - 22. too fat. hopefully by February can do this hypothetical blast 350 test e blast.

This may also be contributing to your current estrogen levels. Diet needs to be in check if you want to blast.

Maybe focus on what you need to do diet and training wise to get down to 12-15% Until then running a cycle is a waste of time, effort, money and health. You're also going to need more than 8 weeks to drop that fat if that is indeed you're true bodyfat which could even be higher. I'm just being honest, no offense intended.

We're all here to help with that if you want. Cycling shouldn't be on your radar right now.

 

[dcdogz]

This may also be contributing to your current estrogen levels. Diet needs to be in check if you want to blast.

Maybe focus on what you need to do diet and training wise to get down to 12-15% Until then running a cycle is a waste of time, effort, money and health. You're also going to need more than 8 weeks to drop that fat if that is indeed you're true bodyfat which could even be higher. I'm just being honest, no offense intended.

We're all here to help with that if you want. Cycling shouldn't be on your radar right now.

I'm coming down from probably 40bf

I posted pics bicep thread.

I just have extra skin but I feel like I'm around there. If it takes more the 8 weeks all good. Going by the mirror more then anything.

 

[Meetketchup]

I'm coming down from probably 40bf

I posted pics bicep thread.

I just have extra skin but I feel like I'm around there. If it takes more the 8 weeks all good. Going by the mirror more then anything.

I just looked at the pics. You're definitely in the higher range of your estimate.

You can make great gains just on TRT as you are no where near your genetic limit muscle wise. Do what you want my man and wish you luck.