First cycle, joint pain

[Conan701]

Im currently 6 weeks into starting test. Started with Test E 250mg/week injecting twice per week. After 4 weeks I increased to 350mg/week and started pinning 3x a week. Lately I have been having joint pain everywhere, bones ache. My recovery feels worse, longer, & just feel beaten up. I was expecting my recovery to be better, not feeling worse. I have no water retention or gyno symptoms & plan on doing bloods again in a week or two. I know it could be caused from the increase in weight, but was curious if it could be something caused by estrogen(hard to tell until I do bloodwork again) just curious if anyone else had an experience like this when starting out or what could be the cause? Thnx

 

[Theotherone55]

At this point just get bloodwork done so you know for sure

 

[Conan701]

At this point just get bloodwork done so you know for sure

Ya I'm going to here within the next week instead of guessing

 

[Trippy802]

Definitely get blood work as stated.

I destroyed both of my elbows 3/4’s of the way through my first cycle. This was from pushing way too hard and gaining way too much strength too fast. My body simply was not used to it. I didn’t listen to it and that’s what happened. Since then I got on hgh and have stayed healthy but when I feel something coming on I listen to my body and chill out. Not saying I’ll never get injured again but it’s worked thus far. Good luck man.

 

[Conan701]

At this point just get bloodwork done so you know for sure

Ya I'm going to here within the next week

Definitely get blood work as stated.

I destroyed both of my elbows 3/4’s of the way through my first cycle. This was from pushing way too hard and gaining way too much strength too fast. My body simply was not used to it. I didn’t listen to it and that’s what happened. Since then I got on hgh and have stayed healthy but when I feel something coming on I listen to my body and chill out. Not saying I’ll never get injured again but it’s worked thus far. Good luck man.

Thank u. Ya I've been going more hard that's for sure and lifting heavier, just being stupid. Im gonna scale back and lower the volume for a bit too

 

[Trippy802]

Ya I'm going to here within the next week

Thank u. Ya I've been going more hard that's for sure and lifting heavier, just being stupid. Im gonna scale back and lower the volume for a bit too

Mine as well do it while it’s a choice before your body makes you. lol I promise you will bounce back faster that way.

 

[Conan701]

Mine as well do it while it’s a choice before your body makes you. lol I promise you will bounce back faster that way.

Ya i will. Thank u I appreciate it

 

[jaymoney]

this has all been said but definitely get bloodwork soon, for sure sounds like you are overtraining.
take a couple days off the gym when you get bloodwork and focus on recovering. definitely dial back the training volume, rapid strength and weight gain will all definitely cause these issues, just be mindful and take things easy. you’ll still make plenty of gains dialing things back, it’s not worth injury

 

[Wally954]

Are u using ai’s? Could be crashed estro

 

[GYAT]

Damn dude coming out of the gates fast and strong at that dose/amount only 1 month in on your first shots. You should probably back off a good bit. As noted get labs of course so then you know.

My question reading your post is your test from a clinic by any chance? Sometimes they throw a liquid anti estrogen into the mix and it can really f with some people, not to mention lower your Estrogen which would certainly cause the symptoms you report if super low or crashed. Your vial would say it if it is something like that along the lines of "90% test e 10% arimidex" or something along those lines. Usually mostly seen from trt clinics but some of the bigger UGL's do carry and offer those blends as well.

 

[Conan701]

Are u using ai’s? Could be crashed estro

No ai yet, have arimidex but haven't used it

 

[Conan701]

Damn dude coming out of the gates fast and strong at that dose/amount only 1 month in on your first shots. You should probably back off a good bit. As noted get labs of course so then you know.

My question reading your post is your test from a clinic by any chance? Sometimes they throw a liquid anti estrogen into the mix and it can really f with some people, not to mention lower your Estrogen which would certainly cause the symptoms you report if super low or crashed. Your vial would say it if it is something like that along the lines of "90% test e 10% arimidex" or something along those lines. Usually mostly seen from trt clinics but some of the bigger UGL's do carry and offer those blends as well.

No its not from a clinic, its from a place that advertises on here quite a bit.

 

[Conan701]

No its not from a clinic, its from a place that advertises on here quite a bit.

I was wondering that though, cuz the sides feel like what's described for crashed estrogen, but I haven't touched an ai yet, I'll check out my vial closer when I get home just to make sure

 

[Glycomann]

Im currently 6 weeks into starting test. Started with Test E 250mg/week injecting twice per week. After 4 weeks I increased to 350mg/week and started pinning 3x a week. Lately I have been having joint pain everywhere, bones ache. My recovery feels worse, longer, & just feel beaten up. I was expecting my recovery to be better, not feeling worse. I have no water retention or gyno symptoms & plan on doing bloods again in a week or two. I know it could be caused from the increase in weight, but was curious if it could be something caused by estrogen(hard to tell until I do bloodwork again) just curious if anyone else had an experience like this when starting out or what could be the cause? Thnx

Are you older? Older lifters have underlying joint degeneration adn when E2 gets low the joints ache.

 

[Conan701]

Are you older? Older lifters have underlying joint degeneration adn when E2 gets low the joints ache.

Im 42. I googled the brand and looked and saw nothing about arimidex in it at all. Just test e 250. Its from xeno is the brand name

 

[Wally954]

Maybe back down the test a little and add some npp or deca to cushion the joints

 

[lottalead]

Im currently 6 weeks into starting test. Started with Test E 250mg/week injecting twice per week. After 4 weeks I increased to 350mg/week and started pinning 3x a week. Lately I have been having joint pain everywhere, bones ache. My recovery feels worse, longer, & just feel beaten up. I was expecting my recovery to be better, not feeling worse. I have no water retention or gyno symptoms & plan on doing bloods again in a week or two. I know it could be caused from the increase in weight, but was curious if it could be something caused by estrogen(hard to tell until I do bloodwork again) just curious if anyone else had an experience like this when starting out or what could be the cause? Thnx

rest a little more between workouts? also if you pin twice week wouldn't sust be better? might retain lil more water which may help with joint pain.

 

[Wally954]

Im 42. I googled the brand and looked and saw nothing about arimidex in it at all. Just test e 250. Its from xeno is the brand name

It could be bunk, if you’re not even getting a little bit of water retention, that’s a sign that it’s either under dosed or fake, what you could do is stick your bottle in the freezer for a few good hours and see if you see any crystals falling out of suspension in the oil, that will at least tell you if you have some hormone in your bottle, your recovery should be on point after the first few weeks, I can go to the gym every day working out hard and not really get sore on 300 mg of test. It’s one of the first things that I notice,that and water retention and libido, your gear might be fake

 

[Conan701]

Im 42. I googled the brand and looked and saw nothing about arimidex in it at all. Just te

rest a little more between workouts? also if you pin twice week wouldn't sust be better? might retain lil more water which may help with

rest a little more between workouts? also if you pin twice week wouldn't sust be better? might retain lil more water which may help with joint pain.

Ive looked into sus and would be open to running it. Im currently pinning 3x a week now that I went up to 350 a week

 

[Conan701]

It could be bunk, if you’re not even getting a little bit of water retention, that’s a sign that it’s either under dosed or fake, what you could do is stick your bottle in the freezer for a few good hours and see if you see any crystals falling out of suspension in the oil, that will at least tell you if you have some hormone in your bottle, your recovery should be on point after the first few weeks, I can go to the gym every day working out hard and not really get sore on 300 mg of test. It’s one of the first things that I notice,that and water retention and libido, your gear might be fake

I'll do that. Ya its crazy, I am sore everywhere. Muscles recovery more slow, takes days longer, all my joints ache, just feel like shit

 

[Conan701]

I have a couple vials of a different carrier. Im gonna try one of those also instead

 

[Conan701]

Last night I did a chatgpt on the symptoms amd everything was coming back as low estrogen, which i thought is weird since I haven't used an ai at all. It said to up my dose of dhea from 25mg to 50mg for 7 days and add collagen also