First Cycle at 17 (Updated 1)

[Fosss]

Quick Background:

Spoiler: Quick Background

May 2025 (Age 15, Turned 16 same month)
Obese at 230 lbs, manlet.

November 2025
Started GHK-Cu.

December 2025
Lost 50 lbs naturally from may.

January 2026
Hopped on reta.

February 2026
Dropped to 155 lbs.

January 2025 – April 2026
Had on and offs with reta.

April 2026 (Prime Physique)
Pretty solid build. Biceps were 16 inches. Around 19% body fat, I'm guessing. Was never ever happy with my physique, even at its prime.

April 14, 2026
Stopped going to the gym and haven't gone since. Never stopped taking reta. Wasn't eating much.

May 2026
Turned 17

July 2026 (Current)
Dropped to 119 lbs. Lost a lot of muscle. Feel fat. Decided to hop on now and achieve what I want.
I just turned 17 and pinned test for the first time. I need help on supplementing and tips.

What I'm currently taking (week 1-3):

• test e 500 (Pin twice a week 250)
• 80mg Accutane (been running for months but I dropped it to 40mg today, and will drop it to 20mg once i finish my last boxes i have, around 50 days)
• Retatrutide 5mg a week (pinning once weekly)
• GHK-Cu 5mg daily

What I ordered and planning to add on week 3 or 4:

• oral Dianabol (Dbol) 30mg daily (splitting dose through the day with 10mg tablets (give me tips))
• Arimidex 0.5mg every time i pin test so twice a week (unsure on dose, help)
• oral minoxidil 2.5mg daily till i die
• oral finasteride 1mg daily till i die
• hydrochlorothiazide 25mg daily for debloat (i saw 1 TikTok XD)
• Cialis 10-20mg (i got 300 pills at 10mg each, unsure on dose yet)

Supplements and extras I ordered and will take once they arrive soon:

• NAC 1200mg daily (600mg morning and night)
• Milk Thistle 1000mg daily (lmk if i should change dose)
• TUDCA 1000mg daily (lmk if i should change dose)
• Hydrocortisone 1% cream for nose
• Ivermectin 1% cream for nose
• Estriol 1% cream for skin
• Tretinoin 0.05% cream (twice weekly then up it)
• Sertraline 50mg Daily (probably will up it)

That's basically it, looking to add more peptides like wolverine and more very soon.

Notes:
For peptides, I'm pinning with a 5/16" 31g needle. For test, I'm pinning with a 27g 1/2" needle. I pin the shoulders for both peptides and test because it's the easiest and least sensitive spot for me so far. The PIP for GHK-Cu is definitely there, most likely from the high dose.

Main questions:
What supplements are a MUST?
Will any of this affect my growth plates or height?
Idk if my growth plates are open or closed, and if they are affected, how do I go about it?

 

[Jburn]

At 17 you don’t need that shit. Take advantage of your youth eat and workout and you will grow

 

[Swilly91]

Well I’m pretty sure you’re a troll by the looks of your avatar, but if not then there’s a couple things that stick out to me. 1 you’re using reconstitution solution and that is absolutely not the same as bacteriostatic water, so if you’re using that for your peptides, that’s a no go. 2 you shouldn’t be worried about your growth plates as much as shutting down your natural test. 3 you claim you’re skinny fat, but you’re adding dbol ? That’s disastrous! 4 you’re throwing everything but the kitchen sink to a problem that starts with your diet and workout! You’re entirely too young to go down this road, do your research first… ignorance is bliss.

 

[BFulforth]

What the actual fuck with this post.
You don’t need all this at 17.
Train , Eat, Sleep grow.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read all week. And that’s saying something.


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[bigrond]

Why start a new thread to get the same answers you've been given already

 

[chadmack]

Thats alot of drugs how are u ever going to know what drug is causing which side effect or how to treat?
Just add more drugs?

 

[Startingover]

someone get him outta here man
1st 17 yo I know there was a huge thing when franklovestren posted..
about his age
although he turned out to be a bright kid and is still here
my point there is an age minimum here I'm sure
hell least 18yo
im not gonna even entertain anymore posts on both this dudes bullshit posts!
Foss have at it ur moving in the right direction young man!!

 

[bigrond]

Why even take reta if youre 119 lbs, why are we taking pictures of empty vials with no labels, yes you will stunt your growth no there is not a way to prevent it yes acutane will make your hair fall out yes you are going to get gyno yes you are going lose all the gains if you manage to get any as soon as you stop. you are still a minor anybody here would be liable to the deliquency of a minor should they even pretend to help you. Not to smart in my book.

 

[rollin-tumblin]

I wonder if ASF is listed somewhere online as one of the easiest marks for trolls to hit? Y'all...come on now lol

 

[Hablooblah]

Why even take reta if youre 119 lbs, why are we taking pictures of empty vials with no labels, yes you will stunt your growth no there is not a way to prevent it yes acutane will make your hair fall out yes you are going to get gyno yes you are going lose all the gains if you manage to get any as soon as you stop. you are still a minor anybody here would be liable to the deliquency of a minor should they even pretend to help you. Not to smart in my book.

Who knows bro maybe he'll end up being a sponsored athlete like the other one lol it should be a rule enforced for all. Cant tell 1 17 year old to fuck off then allow a sponsor to send free gear to another one. Hardly seems fair. Agree with everything you said tho. Its only gonna potentially bring unwanted attention towards the forum allowing any minors to be members. But if the cite and mods are gonna allow it then telling him how not to die is just risk mitigation

 

[chadmack]

Who knows bro maybe he'll end up being a sponsored athlete like the other one lol it should be a rule enforced for all. Cant tell 1 17 year old to fuck off then allow a sponsor to send free gear to another one. Hardly seems fair. Agree with everything you said tho. Its only gonna potentially bring unwanted attention towards the forum allowing any minors to be members. But if the cite and mods are gonna allow it then telling him how not to die is just risk mitigation

My 1st thought! Maybe u have to get expelled from highschool for gear like the other kid for a sponsorship

 

[Skud008]

Yeah this is just making me really uncomfortable at this point. If anyone here wants to try to keep this kid from killing himself that's on you and your own conscience but I won't contribute to it and honestly it changes my view of this board. I thought we were here to help people do this responsibly, but there is absolutely nothing responsible about this. It's very obvious the kid needs mental health counseling to figure out the deeper issue that he's trying to self-medicate, assuming he's not actually just a troll. Ask me how I know what it's like to be 17 and self-medicating...

 

[Hablooblah]

Yeah this is just making me really uncomfortable at this point. If anyone here wants to try to keep this kid from killing himself that's on you and your own conscience but I won't contribute to it and honestly it changes my view of this board. I thought we were here to help people do this responsibly, but there is absolutely nothing responsible about this. It's very obvious the kid needs mental health counseling to figure out the deeper issue that he's trying to self-medicate, assuming he's not actually just a troll. Ask me how I know what it's like to be 17 and self-medicating...

I think youll find its a common experience among alot of us, the early life problens You're referring to. I do agree with you but I also disagree. You're right about what he needs, and its not gear. But i cant in good conscious withhold anything that in doing so would allow him to hurt himself. Im far from an expert but if I have info that will keep someome from doing permanent damage to themselves im going to give it to anyone. Him making a very poor decision at his age isnt a reason to leave him to the wolves. I will not tell him what gear to run but I will tell him what I can so that he has a chance to stay healthy. Ill tell him what NOT to run. Its not resposible of any of us to jist let some kid fuck himself up because we disagree with his choice. Thats my opinion. Im sure alot of you guys will disagree and I understand completely.

 

[Skud008]

I think youll find its a common experience among alot of us, the early life problens You're referring to. I do agree with you but I also disagree. You're right about what he needs, and its not gear. But i cant in good conscious withhold anything that in doing so would allow him to hurt himself. Im far from an expert but if I have info that will keep someome from doing permanent damage to themselves im going to give it to anyone. Him making a very poor decision at his age isnt a reason to leave him to the wolves. I will not tell him what gear to run but I will tell him what I can so that he has a chance to stay healthy. Ill tell him what NOT to run. Its not resposible of any of us to jist let some kid fuck himself up because we disagree with his choice. Thats my opinion. Im sure alot of you guys will disagree and I understand completely.

That's fair, honestly.

 

[elit3keraed]

This is 100% gotta be a troll post.

There’s literally no reason to run anything you see on TikTok. HCTZ to combat dbol bloat is dumb and dangerous. IM peptides is stupid as well.


Pics of empty vials makes no sense either.

Also oral minox and fina?


I just can’t with this.

 

[Hablooblah]

This is 100% gotta be a troll post.

There’s literally no reason to run anything you see on TikTok. HCTZ to combat dbol bloat is dumb and dangerous. IM peptides is stupid as well.


Pics of empty vials makes no sense either.

Also oral minox and fina?


I just can’t with this.

Its so stupid that its gotta be real. its just a kid with no clue wtf hes doing. A troll would've had tren in the mix 100% the multitude of empty vials is ridiculous lol

 

[elit3keraed]

Its so stupid that its gotta be real. its just a kid with no clue wtf hes doing. A troll would've had tren in the mix 100% the multitude of empty vials is ridiculous lol

Maybe it’s radicals new side account. Realized the “I’m a tough manly man and yall are pussies” troll didn’t work for him so now he’s a 17 year old posting empty vials

 

[bigrond]

I will say this to anyone giving advice to a minor dont do it on the open forum. I get it you wanna help but dont risk your freedom. You know le is always prowling these forums looking for and setting up crap like this.

 

[Skud008]

I will say this to anyone giving advice to a minor dont do it on the open forum. I get it you wanna help but dont risk your freedom. You know le is always prowling these forums looking for and setting up crap like this.

Yeah I mean not only is it legally dubious at best, it's also really hard to pin down the line between harm reduction and straight-up enabling. It's like with recreational drug policy, obviously most rational people don't think we should be handing out lengthy prison sentences for smoking a joint on your back patio before bed, but also probably not a good idea to hand out free crack pipes to homeless people or sell booze and weed to high schoolers. And yes there's a very large difference between a 30 year old with a mostly developed frontal cortex making an informed decision to use AAS, and a teenager blindly and recklessly injecting himself with random shit that he doesn't understand and isn't even mentally capable of making a rational decision about. It's why we have age restrictions on everything from driving and voting to alcohol, tobacco, weed, and many over-the-counter products. But like you said man, if anyone else wants to try to keep this kid from killing himself it's probably smarter to do it privately.

 

[Crusty_69]

This is sad and scary that young boys think they have to do gear to get big and end up destroying there body’s.

This post should be removed along with his first post.

 

[Hablooblah]

I will say this to anyone giving advice to a minor dont do it on the open forum. I get it you wanna help but dont risk your freedom. You know le is always prowling these forums looking for and setting up crap like this.

Kinda makes you wonder how a sponsor can make a minor a sponsored athlete publicly naming him one and then his blog is adverts for the sponsors gear. Still cant believe that ever happened, but besides that, advice on selling, buying or helping procure gear given to a minor is illegal. Simple harm reduction and risk mitigation is absolutely not illegal in any form. Not in America. But i hear what you're saying. Better safe than sorry. The real question here is why tf is it even an option? Why wasnt the account deleted and banned the minute he admitted he was 17. But then again we have sponsors popping up selling "crystal methamphetamine" and "Crack cocaine" on their menu so who tf knows anymore.

 

[elit3keraed]

This is sad and scary that young boys think they have to do gear to get big and end up destroying there body’s.

This post should be removed along with his first post.

I literally have to practice “daily affirmations” in the mirror with my 5 year old stepdaughter because her dads, gfs, 4 and 7 year old shit stains constantly pick on her. I literally stand there with her repeating “I’m a good kid, I’m pretty, im not fat I got muscles” over and over every night before bed because she will literally just start crying saying she’s “trash and deserves to go in the garbage and is fat and ugly” because that’s what shit stain 1 and 2 say to her all the time and their mom just says “they’re just joking”.

This world is pretty fucked for younger generations when you gotta teach a 5 year old cognitive behavioral therapy for their body image. Let alone a teen who has access to all the bullshit on social media

 

[Swilly91]

Kinda makes you wonder how a sponsor can make a minor a sponsored athlete publicly naming him one and then his blog is adverts for the sponsors gear. Still cant believe that ever happened, but besides that, advice on selling, buying or helping procure gear given to a minor is illegal. Simple harm reduction and risk mitigation is absolutely not illegal in any form. Not in America. But i hear what you're saying. Better safe than sorry. The real question here is why tf is it even an option? Why wasnt the account deleted and banned the minute he admitted he was 17. But then again we have sponsors popping up selling "crystal methamphetamine" and "Crack cocaine" on their menu so who tf knows anymore.

 

[Crusty_69]

I literally have to practice “daily affirmations” in the mirror with my 5 year old stepdaughter because her dads, gfs, 4 and 7 year old shit stains constantly pick on her. I literally stand there with her repeating “I’m a good kid, I’m pretty, im not fat I got muscles” over and over every night before bed because she will literally just start crying saying she’s “trash and deserves to go in the garbage and is fat and ugly” because that’s what shit stain 1 and 2 say to her all the time and their mom just says “they’re just joking”.

This world is pretty fucked for younger generations when you gotta teach a 5 year old cognitive behavioral therapy for their body image. Let alone a teen who has access to all the bullshit on social media

Damn man that sucks she has to deal with that but you definitely are an amazing dad for showing her she is beautiful.

 

[elit3keraed]

Damn man that sucks she has to deal with that but you definitely are an amazing dad for showing her she is beautiful.

I’m terrified for what the future is going to be for her and the one we have in the way. But nothing I can do other than prep them for the worst of it

 

[Crusty_69]

I’m terrified for what the future is going to be for her and the one we have in the way. But nothing I can do other than prep them for the worst of it

I feel you on that. I got a 12 year old boy and it scares the living shit out of me see young kids either dying from a dump challenge they saw or taking their own life because of bullying or parents not playing attention