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First cycle, AI dose help

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Hi! I will be doing my first cycle soon, and i wanted to start planning dosages ahead. I will be doing an 8 week cycle of:
AC 262 20mg daily
Enclo 6.25 EOD
GW 15mg daily
raloxifene 60mg first 10 days, 30mg until gyno gone
Anastrozole 0.5mg EOD (help needed here!!)

So, to start, I will be doing blood work for baseline BEFORE i start the cycle. I was wondering what dose i might need to use for the AI? The reason being I also want to do the raloxifene to remove the gyno i already have ( i had lost a decent amount of weight, so this is from excessive BF causing aromatization) When i get my blood work back, I was wondering what dosage for the AI i might need to take (At week 3-4 i will have another mid cycle check, and i will be able to adjust the AI as needed after)

Let me know if i need to clarify anything - When i get my blood work results, I will reply what my estrogen measures. The main concern is really just undoing what the raloxifene is doing/ having too high estrogen.. If you could understand - i would prefer to have it under control before any big side effects happen before i start taking the compound.

Thanks!
 
Hello. First fo all I'm fu**ing confused about this cycle......if you can call it a cycle at all! You tell us that you have lost a lot of body fat and already have gyno (which can occur if you were very obese). And now you want to take AI and E2 blockers (in high doses) to make your gyno disappear, do I see that right?

It seems you have some issues to fix first (maybe with a doctor) before staring to take any AAS. With that much raloxifene and Anastrozole you''ll crush your E2 completely and feel like shit.

Please tell me first what's you goal beside of removing the gyno. You want to loose more fat? How bad is the gyno now? I would not start any cycle now if your gyno is already here and it hurts maybe.......unless you're a pro....

Show us some current pics of your shape....
 
What is AC?
Looks like your not even running Steroids, just serms?
Dial in your AI with bloodwork, fully saturated.
 
Bolan said:
What is AC?
Looks like your not even running Steroids, just serms?
Dial in your AI with bloodwork, fully saturated.
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it's a sarm, one of the weakest.....compared to more potent options like RAD-140 (Testolone) or LGD-4033 (Ligandrol)
 
mae_geri said:
Hello. First fo all I'm fu**ing confused about this cycle......if you can call it a cycle at all! You tell us that you have lost a lot of body fat and already have gyno (which can occur if you were very obese). And now you want to take AI and E2 blockers (in high doses) to make your gyno disappear, do I see that right?

It seems you have some issues to fix first (maybe with a doctor) before staring to take any AAS. With that much raloxifene and Anastrozole you''ll crush your E2 completely and feel like shit.

Please tell me first what's you goal beside of removing the gyno. You want to loose more fat? How bad is the gyno now? I would not start any cycle now if your gyno is already here and it hurts maybe.......unless you're a pro....

Show us some current pics of your shape....
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No not a troll post, just new and overthinking.. I think it is better to ask for advice here than to go in blindly.

To start, Yes im aware of the dangers for crushing E2, Thats why im getting bloods done before I start anything on 2/19 If my E2 is high, i was going to post said level and ask for advice here, But also the doctor. I really just have it as a just in-case the EOD dosage of enclo causes me to aromatize extra.

The goal of said "cycle" - I was going to use it to aid in cutting, if not hopefully gain a little muscle as I cut down heavily before the summer. The gyno isnt too terrible to the point its a full blown titty. It adds to my chest in certain shirts, and makes me look like shit in others. Its also noticeable enough for people to mention it. Its been there for a while and doesnt actively hurt/tingle.

Thank you for any advice, I hope to continue learning :)
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Your definitely in the wrong plCe about sarms I don't understand how you got gyno in the Frist place not hating I used to be a so called sarm goblin. Until I realized there wasn't much muscle building benefit compared to 300 test sarms don't convert to estrogen especially what your taking it's the weakest one not harping or trying to talk down on you at all I was there before never took them without trt but
 
Skylerjohnson1996 said:
Your definitely in the wrong plCe about sarms I don't understand how you got gyno in the Frist place not hating I used to be a so called sarm goblin. Until I realized there wasn't much muscle building benefit compared to 300 test sarms don't convert to estrogen especially what your taking it's the weakest one not harping or trying to talk down on you at all I was there before never took them without trt but
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Yeah bro i get it. After comming back to it with a clear head, the boost in test i get from enclo (which might be offset by AC suppression towards the end) shouldnt really do anything for me. Again will save it for just incase, or a future cycle for when im more educated
 
Cat123 said:
Yeah bro i get it. After comming back to it with a clear head, the boost in test i get from enclo (which might be offset by AC suppression towards the end) shouldnt really do anything for me. Again will save it for just incase, or a future cycle for when im more educated
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If you have any questions about sarms feel free to inbox me we all start somewhere before sarms it was pro hormones haha
 
have you done any research at all? almost everyone these days will say start with test only
 
Ehhhh....

May I ask you why you want to use sarms instead of gold ole testosterone?

If you have gyno, nothing takes it away besides surgery.

IF you catch it early, before the tissue grows and it's just inflamed, you can reduce the gyno but, if it's been there for any amount of time, especially after a cycle and a PCT, it's stuck there. Throw all the drugs you want at it but it's not going to go away.

Spend $100 and get a 14 week cycle of 500mg test e or c and arimadex.... Stop wasting your money on "legal" anabolics. They're no safer, they're just more expensive, less effective and more unknown.
 
Montego said:
Ehhhh....

May I ask you why you want to use sarms instead of gold ole testosterone?

If you have gyno, nothing takes it away besides surgery.

IF you catch it early, before the tissue grows and it's just inflamed, you can reduce the gyno but, if it's been there for any amount of time, especially after a cycle and a PCT, it's stuck there. Throw all the drugs you want at it but it's not going to go away.

Spend $100 and get a 14 week cycle of 500mg test e or c and arimadex.... Stop wasting your money on "legal" anabolics. They're no safer, they're just more expensive, less effective and more unknown.
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I agree with you. just dabbling in it, i do intend on my first real cycle to be just test, but after i cut down to below 25%. For the gyno - there is a study on ncbi revolving around reducing/significantly shrinking persistent pubertal gyno with raloxifene and tamoxifene. if it doesnt work at all thats fine ill just have to get the surgery but its worth throwing 100$ at it if it means theres a chance. This gyno is not a result from any AAS
 
You really need to be much lower than 25% bf before starting an AAS cycle.
 
We see this over and over again; guys not wanting to “go to the darkside” but are still heavy at attempting hormonal manipulation.

My opinion has always been, rather than trying to “boost” testosterone, just inject it. No guessing there if it is working or not.
Same with all these secretagogues. Instead of “stimulating” HGH release, I prefer to put the actual stuff directly into my body. No wondering if it works doing it this way.

It amazes me the lengths people go to avoid doing the thing that actually works.

OP needs to spend a few bucks on a coach rather than all that crap. Or he can get the best coach here for free. But he’s not a coach. Coaching….
 
Cut first, without the drugs. THEN later on, when you are lean and can actually see/feel results, throw in something on the dark side.

There is no reason to mess with your hormones during this first cut.
Messing with your hormones can easily become a life long thing. Make sure you are readyyy for that by doing this first diet drug free. If you can diet hard dialing in your nutrition, workouts, everything else natural...then most likely youll have ever better results with a little gear. But that is a huge IF for lots of guys.
 
Theotherone55 said:
Cut first, without the drugs. THEN later on, when you are lean and can actually see/feel results, throw in something on the dark side.

There is no reason to mess with your hormones during this first cut.
Messing with your hormones can easily become a life long thing. Make sure you are readyyy for that by doing this first diet drug free. If you can diet hard dialing in your nutrition, workouts, everything else natural...then most likely youll have ever better results with a little gear. But that is a huge IF for lots of guys.
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Not to mention, how do you learn your baseline aka what you are capable of without drugs?
Then when you are on drugs, you can’t discern what is doing what.

When I started racing superbikes, I was mentored by talented riders who saw my potential and took me under their wings, to go to the track and work on one, maybe two things. Nothing more. Maybe improve on two chosen corners, or braking, or entry and exits.
They admonished me to do this because if not focused on a specific task, I would accomplish nothing during the practice day.

I apply this to clients today.
 
Wish I had this site when I Frist started training guys always dropping knowledge! When I Frist started training I had no knowledge or anything I heard about a supplement called mk 677 that could help me eat more I went from 170 to 220 in 3 months and it didn't end up well I ate everything in site I gained a little muscle but having to diet it off all the fat was so not worth it
 

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