First Cycle Advice

[RogueShinobi_]

So, I’m interested in doing my first cycle. I have experience with prohormones but, honestly I was way too young at the time but, I recovered so all is well there lol.

I have bloodwork coming up next Monday. If start the cycle I’ll do bloods again at week 7 or, 8 then again at weeks 15 and, 20

Age:27
Weight:150
Height:5’6

Training and, diet knowledge is intermediate I would say. Goal of the cycle is recomp I’m not in terrible or, great shape. Pretty much right smack in the middle. Would like to gain around 15ish pounds of lean mass.

I’m gonna do a PPL split for training. Ideally 2-3 days of cardio.

Current plan is a 15 week cycle

1-15 Test C 500mg/week split dose
1-15 HGH 2-3iu/day
1-15 HCG 500iu/week split dose
9-15 Anavar 25-50mg/day
Aromasin on hand if needed

Supplements

CoQ10
Berberine
L-Citrulline
Zinc
Fish oil
KSM-66
NAC
Tudca
Taurine
Creatine


I also had the thought of doing tbol instead of anavar at the start of a cycle to kick it off but, I feel the Anavar would be better as I would be able to see how the test alone affects me in the beginning 8 weeks.
I’m undecided whether I want to do pct or blast and, cruise.

If I do PCT it’ll be
Clomid 50,50,25,25
Nolva 40,20,20,20
HCG 500 EOD

Cruise will be Test C 150-200mg/week

 

[ruffus]

I would call that a mass gainer cycle for a new guy. Recomping can be done with less with good training and a good diet.

 

[Bingaling]

In my opinion, I would feel like the oral can be dropped for a recomp whether you were to choose anavar or tbol. My first I did test only, second cycle I added anavar to the test, third cycle I added HGH to the test and anavar.

 

[Astro95]

Everyone is intermediate, but a buck 50 and not in shape.

 

[dcdogz]

id personally, after learning slowly over the past couple of years, just go trt 200 2iu hgh and focus on just training and diet.
youd be surprised how far you can go with just that. its actually shocking.

if youre not super lean adding in alot of test and cals is just gonna make you fatter.

most here dont listen at all to any of the advice given so if youre deadset on doing that go
no oral besides ai, drop pct, trt 150 after.
im a little older but id drop the hcg too since if youre skinny fat thats just gonna make your e2 higher.

 

[Bigjape34]

You have so much potential to grow without gear bud at 150lbs your most likely already not eating nearly enough or training hard enough

 

[RogueShinobi_]

I would call that a mass gainer cycle for a new guy. Recomping can be done with less with good training and a good diet.

Yeah I thought I had put recomp/lean bulk. What would you recommend? I’m not dead set on anything yet. I want to see what my levels look like before I decide anything.

 

[Meetketchup]

If you spent 1/5 of the time planning that cycle on your nutrition, you wouldn't be 150lbs.

Truth

 

[RogueShinobi_]

In my opinion, I would feel like the oral can be dropped for a recomp whether you were to choose anavar or tbol. My first I did test only, second cycle I added anavar to the test, third cycle I added HGH to the test and anavar.

I know everyone respond differently but, what were your results from your first cycle and, how much did you run?

 

[RogueShinobi_]

id personally, after learning slowly over the past couple of years, just go trt 200 2iu hgh and focus on just training and diet.
youd be surprised how far you can go with just that. its actually shocking.

if youre not super lean adding in alot of test and cals is just gonna make you fatter.

most here dont listen at all to any of the advice given so if youre deadset on doing that go
no oral besides ai, drop pct, trt 150 after.
im a little older but id drop the hcg too since if youre skinny fat thats just gonna make your e2 higher.

I’m honestly not dead set on anything yet. I’m gonna do bloodwork first and, see where I’m at. Then I’ll proceed to make a decision after. I appreciate the advice homie!

 

[Bingaling]

My first cycle I ran 500mg of test and responded well! If nothing else, it gave me a solid baseline on what to expect to see in my bloods from the test. After that, any changes I was able to pinpoint to whatever new compound I added.

 

[RogueShinobi_]

You have so much potential to grow without gear bud at 150lbs your most likely already not eating nearly enough or training hard enough

Very possible. As I’ve said in other replies I’m not dead set on this. I’m gonna get bloodwork done first then proceed with my decision.

 

[Bigjape34]

Again I won’t make a whole paragraph out of this bloodwork is a good thing but get
Your diet and training in check before you run a cycle. Look at the condense from individuals above who have been in this game a while and are telling you the same thing.your going to do what you want but you came here with a question received answers from knowledgeable individuals and seem to blatantly not want those answers so what was the point in asking in be first place ?

 

[RogueShinobi_]

Again I won’t make a whole paragraph out of this bloodwork is a good thing but get
Your diet and training in check before you run a cycle. Look at the condense from individuals above who have been in this game a while and are telling you the same thing.your going to do what you want but you came here with a question received answers from knowledgeable individuals and seem to blatantly not want those answers so what was the point in asking in be first place ?

It’s not that its answers I don’t want. I understand the importance of diet and training. The reason blood work is an important factor for me is I already feel I have low T. While I did recover from previous PH use I don’t think I ever fully recovered and, so I want to find that out. If I am low and, am going to be placed on TRT then I might as well go for a blast. I really have no one else to converse with on the subject so I figured this would be the best place to see what people thought of the cycle. If it can be tweaked, if it’s too much, too little, what to expect, general advice, etc.

 

[RogueShinobi_]

My first cycle I ran 500mg of test and responded well! If nothing else, it gave me a solid baseline on what to expect to see in my bloods from the test. After that, any changes I was able to pinpoint to whatever new compound I added.

Did you notice any estrogen related sides at that dose? I’m leaning more towards dropping the oral compound like everyone has recommended if do end up proceeding with the cycle.

 

[Wardamn]

Starting pics?

 

[Bingaling]

Did you notice any estrogen related sides at that dose? I’m leaning more towards dropping the oral compound like everyone has recommended if do end up proceeding with the cycle.

I personally aromatize heavily so my estradiol got up to 63 on that dose. Some people prefer their estradiol being that high, but I felt like absolute garbage. AI’s throw my blood markers so I switched to primo to see if that would work. It worked a little too well but did far less to my blood markers than aromasin, arimidex, and letro.

 

[ruffus]

Yeah I thought I had put recomp/lean bulk. What would you recommend? I’m not dead set on anything yet. I want to see what my levels look like before I decide anything.

How many years have you been training and eating optimally?