Cypionate v Enathate

[Hapanelo]

Has anyone seen the Vigorous Steve discussion with an individual who has a study pending where basically they’re setting out to prove enanthate is more effective than cypionate?

The hypotheses basically is that enanthate breaks down more efficiently and allows for the anabolic to build up and not so much so with cypionate. Anybody think they’ve noticed or measured a difference in their own experience?

 

[Meetketchup]

Kurt Havens did the study. He’s talked about the peaks and trough's as well as half-life. AnecdotallyI have found that Enanthate tends to give less side effects, but no difference in body composition.

 

[dcdogz]

my e2 is more stable with eth.

 

[Calibig46]

my e2 is more stable with eth.

Same with me.

 

[Astro95]

The hypotheses basically is that enanthate breaks down more efficiently and allows for the anabolic to build up and not so much so with cypionate.

What does this mean? Breaks down more efficiently how and how does Cypionate fail to build up compared to Enanthate? E has a tiny shorter half life meaning itll reach peak a tiny bit quicker, how does this translate into Cyp being unable to break down as efficiently or build up?

 

[aimanabolic]

Todd Lee said Cypionate is better. At the end of the day pick one that you don't have issues with and run it.

I seem to tolerate both just fine

 

[rawbuilt]

if your not 300lbs shredded you shouldn't be worried about little shit like this

 

[aimanabolic]

if your not 300lbs shredded you shouldn't be worried about little shit like this

 

[Astro95]

if your not 300lbs shredded you shouldn't be worried about little shit like this

Plot twist… they’re not getting to 300lbs shredded because they’re running cyp

 

[aimanabolic]

Plot twist… they’re not getting to 300lbs shredded because they’re running cyp

Exactly, Test Ace is the only way, 3 times daily.

 

[SBG22]

Plot twist… they’re not getting to 300lbs shredded because they’re running cyp

Thanks Astro! I was wondering what I was doing wrong! All the while I thought it was my ratio of casein to whey

 

[rawbuilt]

Plot twist… they’re not getting to 300lbs shredded because they’re running cyp

same reason why nick walker improved so much is because he switched from enanthate to cyp

 

[Jfrost89]

Test is test. Them studies may claim one thing but imo it doesn’t translate to real world.

 

[Glycomann]

What does this mean? Breaks down more efficiently how and how does Cypionate fail to build up compared to Enanthate? E has a tiny shorter half life meaning itll reach peak a tiny bit quicker, how does this translate into Cyp being unable to break down as efficiently or build up?

I doubt Kurt can afford to run a study powered by enough men and designed well enough to give meaningful results. I think we are too diverse to begin with to do some poorly controled under-powered study. Some will probably do better with one than the other. I feel and look better on Sustanon. That statement would make Kurt and Steve's heads explode. Plus Kurt runs shit high. Very different compared to someone that runs things significantly lower. the pattern of biochemistry changes with dose, length of use and genetic predisposition. These are just a few things that make medicinal chemistry a useful trade for the pharmaceutical industry. Is Kurt going to find a population of 20,000 men matched for age and AAS experience that are willing to run the same dose for the same length of time started after a washout period of 3 months? That's just for starters. If he doesn't at least start there his study is doomed to meaningless.