Curious about bipolar disorder and testosterone

[Hippysabotage72]

I’ve not been able to find much on this subject other than testosterone can possibly cause mania.

I’ve tried testosterone twice, once with dbol and the second with anavar, yes kind of stupid on my part not knowing what either compounds would do to me let alone while taking two at the same time.

My experience on test was fairly positive, with the one exception of with the dbol I was an irritable prick until one of my friends pretty much put me in my place and told me to stop being an asshole. I adjusted my anti estrogen and started paying more attention to my reactions and managed to get that under control.

The second cycle with anavar I had no noticeable issues that I was aware of.

I was diagnosed with bipolar 1 after both of these cycles, and I’m now taking a good mood stabilizer, and anti depressant. And I’ve been pretty stable since. Feels weird after a lifetime of thinking I’m some angry asshole who occasionally flips out over minor things.

I’ve noticed comments about bipolar on here but no actual explanation as to the pros vs cons. Can anyone fill me in on things I should be aware of when it comes to testosterone/aas usage while being bipolar? I had a great reaction with testosterone and want to pursue trt at some point when I can afford it as the health benefits and boost in mood was worth it, and I know at some point I will want to run a bulking cycle once I’ve lost the right bf%. What seems to be the issue with bipolar and aas/test? Other than the one issue with dianabol it was all a positive experience for me.

 

[Omoplata]

1. Welcome to ASF, Sir.

2. Please research and understand Estrogen HIGH vs. Estrogen LOW, It directly correlates with how your mood will be. Trust me, you want to deeply research this. --> Estrogen 101 for men: AI`s, SERMs, DHT Derivatives, Low/High symptoms, Estrogen benefits, etc

3. If you're bipolar, on anti-depressants and on steroids, I suggest you talk to your psychiatrist/therapist about all of this. We're not able to really talk about something subjective while being objective, right? This is your life and you are going to have to really understand what you are doing to yourself mentally.

4. Lastly, testosterone is the least mentally disruptive steroid. It does not significantly affect prolactin levels. Keep your blood work in check every 3-6 months, check your prolactin, E2 and keep a log of how you feel with those levels.

I did not answer your question fully, on purpose, because truthfully, if you have a "mental concern", perhaps you need to reassess whether or not you can keep your mental in check. The higher you go on testosterone, the more affected you become mentally.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

1. Welcome to ASF, Sir.

2. Please research and understand Estrogen HIGH vs. Estrogen LOW, It directly correlates with how your mood will be. Trust me, you want to deeply research this. --> Estrogen 101 for men: AI`s, SERMs, DHT Derivatives, Low/High symptoms, Estrogen benefits, etc

3. If you're bipolar, on anti-depressants and on steroids, I suggest you talk to your psychiatrist/therapist about all of this. We're not able to really talk about something subjective while being objective, right? This is your life and you are going to have to really understand what you are doing to yourself mentally.

4. Lastly, testosterone is the least mentally disruptive steroid. It does not significantly affect prolactin levels. Keep your blood work in check every 3-6 months, check your prolactin, E2 and keep a log of how you feel with those levels.

I did not answer your question fully, on purpose, because truthfully, if you have a "mental concern", perhaps you need to reassess whether or not you can keep your mental in check. The higher you go on testosterone, the more affected you become mentally.

Thank you for the welcome!

I’ll be reading up on estrogen, thanks for the link.

I was just wondering about potential pros vs cons, issues to look out for etc, I’ve been talking to the dr about symptoms and that I want to see about trt. But knowing I’ll eventually run another stack I was wondering if there were compounds to avoid or if there were any that would be easier to work with knowing I have bipolar. Just being cautious.

Not too concerned about my mental as my meds have everything in check, but was curious if it would be wise to up my doses while on cycle? Not sure if aas would cause issues or not.

My recent blood work came back pretty good for the most part.

Estrogen - 100
Prolactin - 8
SHGB - 22
T3 - 3.5
T4 - 1.3
Total test - 418
Free test - 100.7

The only things out of norm were Ferritin - 37 one point low, HDL- 39 one point low, and LDL - 130 thirty high. These can all be adjusted once I get my diet back in check. Everything else was perfect.

 

[Omoplata]

Thank you for the welcome!

I’ll be reading up on estrogen, thanks for the link.

I was just wondering about potential pros vs cons, issues to look out for etc, I’ve been talking to the dr about symptoms and that I want to see about trt. But knowing I’ll eventually run another stack I was wondering if there were compounds to avoid or if there were any that would be easier to work with knowing I have bipolar. Just being cautious.

Not too concerned about my mental as my meds have everything in check, but was curious if it would be wise to up my doses while on cycle? Not sure if aas would cause issues or not.

My recent blood work came back pretty good for the most part.

Estrogen - 100
Prolactin - 8
SHGB - 22
T3 - 3.5
T4 - 1.3
Total test - 418
Free test - 100.7

The only things out of norm were Ferritin - 37 one point low, HDL- 39 one point low, and LDL - 130 thirty high. These can all be adjusted once I get my diet back in check. Everything else was perfect.

While I cannot truly read your labs with expertise, most experienced members recommend sustanon/test cycles for 10-16 weeks with a good base of protein and depending on goal, lower or higher carb.

what stack specifically are you thinking about running?

 

[Hippysabotage72]

While I cannot truly read your labs with expertise, most experienced members recommend sustanon/test cycles for 10-16 weeks with a good base of protein and depending on goal, lower or higher carb.

what stack specifically are you thinking about running?

Interesting read on the estrogen post. With the bf% I was at on my first cycle I’m sure I had higher conversion and the dbol probably didn’t help, but is why when I upped my estrogen blocker I got my mood/irritability under control. Same for when I was on anavar and didn’t seem to need as much anti estrogen.

Honestly I haven’t gotten that far. For the time being I’m wanting to drop weight to lower my bf% so I can have better results on my next cycle, so I’m looking into semaglutide for now, and possibly trt if I can find someone to prescribe me when I’m at 418 test.

My only experience has been with test, dbol, and anavar. I’ll be avoiding dbol even though I grew rather quickly, I just didn’t enjoy the water retention. Anavar will be a staple in my next cycle as I enjoyed it tremendously. I’m not ready for tren although I have a few people encouraging me to try it for the weight loss aspect while growing. But I’m not ready to face those kinds of sides. I need to do more reading on the various compounds. I’m not too sure about sust, both cycles I ran test E, if I don’t end up on trt I’ll probably attempt a short 6-8 week cycle with test prop and anavar just to get back into the swing of things and see what I can accomplish with a lower bf%. My last cycle with test e and anavar I dropped from 28% to 19% if I remember correctly. But as it was a 12 week cycle I think I would have gotten a lot more out of it if I were already at 19% or less. Now because of the meds I’m on my bmi shows 32% but I’m doubting the accuracy as I’m just under 6ft, 240-250 lbs depending on the day and have been lifting consistently for the past 3 years. I’ve put on muscle naturally but can’t seem to lose fat. Also the dr didn’t use any calipers or test equipment to show my bf% so I have no idea where I’m at currently. I’d assume upper 20’s to low 30’s

 

[Omoplata]

Interesting read on the estrogen post. With the bf% I was at on my first cycle I’m sure I had higher conversion and the dbol probably didn’t help, but is why when I upped my estrogen blocker I got my mood/irritability under control. Same for when I was on anavar and didn’t seem to need as much anti estrogen.

Honestly I haven’t gotten that far. For the time being I’m wanting to drop weight to lower my bf% so I can have better results on my next cycle, so I’m looking into semaglutide for now, and possibly trt if I can find someone to prescribe me when I’m at 418 test.

My only experience has been with test, dbol, and anavar. I’ll be avoiding dbol even though I grew rather quickly, I just didn’t enjoy the water retention. Anavar will be a staple in my next cycle as I enjoyed it tremendously. I’m not ready for tren although I have a few people encouraging me to try it for the weight loss aspect while growing. But I’m not ready to face those kinds of sides. I need to do more reading on the various compounds. I’m not too sure about sust, both cycles I ran test E, if I don’t end up on trt I’ll probably attempt a short 6-8 week cycle with test prop and anavar just to get back into the swing of things and see what I can accomplish with a lower bf%. My last cycle with test e and anavar I dropped from 28% to 19% if I remember correctly. But as it was a 12 week cycle I think I would have gotten a lot more out of it if I were already at 19% or less. Now because of the meds I’m on my bmi shows 32% but I’m doubting the accuracy as I’m just under 6ft, 240-250 lbs depending on the day and have been lifting consistently for the past 3 years. I’ve put on muscle naturally but can’t seem to lose fat. Also the dr didn’t use any calipers or test equipment to show my bf% so I have no idea where I’m at currently. I’d assume upper 20’s to low 30’s

Honestly,

A lot of people say this: Do not touch anything until you're lower than 20% body fat and consistent with macros, sleep and lifting. Do not touch orals, anything. Only use testosterone derivatives, sustanon, cyp, enanthate. Focus on the basics and get your weight /goals in alignment. In terms of trt.. You can literally get 10-pack of testosterone here. Look at sponsor forum, it's cheap to get a 10 pack. Should last a few months. Definitely read the forum up and down my friend. We're here to help and trust me.... once you get started on this journey, you will not turn back.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

Honestly,

A lot of people say this: Do not touch anything until you're lower than 20% body fat and consistent with macros, sleep and lifting. Do not touch orals, anything. Only use testosterone derivatives, sustanon, cyp, enanthate. Focus on the basics and get your weight /goals in alignment. In terms of trt.. You can literally get 10-pack of testosterone here. Look at sponsor forum, it's cheap to get a 10 pack. Should last a few months. Definitely read the forum up and down my friend. We're here to help and trust me.... once you get started on this journey, you will not turn back.

I know I can just start my own trt by purchasing here but I’d rather not have my probation officer finding my syringes and stash lol she’s a special kind of asshole that would fuck me over in a heartbeat. So I’m going to try trt if I can find a reasonably priced clinic to work with. I want to just rock test to start, maybe just cruise as I don’t care to have any kids. And keep going. I know everyone says drop bf first which is the goal this time around but having test wouldn’t hurt. I’ll probably end up ordering semaglutide from on of the suppliers here at some point if my dr won’t prescribe it. I’m just not trying to get busted for anything. My main issue is losing bf due to thyroid, and the meds I’m on

 

[Omoplata]

I know I can just start my own trt by purchasing here but I’d rather not have my probation officer finding my syringes and stash lol she’s a special kind of asshole that would fuck me over in a heartbeat. So I’m going to try trt if I can find a reasonably priced clinic to work with. I want to just rock test to start, maybe just cruise as I don’t care to have any kids. And keep going. I know everyone says drop bf first which is the goal this time around but having test wouldn’t hurt. I’ll probably end up ordering semaglutide from on of the suppliers here at some point if my dr won’t prescribe it. I’m just not trying to get busted for anything. My main issue is losing bf due to thyroid, and the meds I’m on

Just to let you know, there is research (some) that GLP-1s (sema, tirz, rez) reduce Body Fat Mass AND Lean Body Mass. Keep your shit tight, or you will risk losing quality size. try asking questions in the nutrition forum and training forums. People will chime in no doubt

 

[Hippysabotage72]

Just to let you know, there is research (some) that GLP-1s (sema, tirz, rez) reduce Body Fat Mass AND Lean Body Mass. Keep your shit tight, or you will risk losing quality size. try asking questions in the nutrition forum and training forums. People will chime in no doubt

I’ll check them out in a bit, thank you for the help man! I’ve heard about the lean mass issue, but as long as I keep my diet in check and keep lifting I think I’ll be fine, worst case I drop bf and put everything back on with a cycle. Nutrition forum is where I’ll harass people next lol