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Construct Your Off-Season Bulking Cycle...

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What Cycle Would You Personally Run Under the Following Circumstances?

Off-season Lean Mass Phase

Time frame 20 weeks

Total anabolic load must not exceed 1,150mg's per week (includes injectables and orals)

I'll throw up an example:

Test E 400mg
Deca 300mg
Primo or Mast E 400mg
Var 12.5mg 4 days per week pre workout (sublingual)
 
I would personally run test up to the level you can handle without an AI... for a lot of advanced competitive BBers, that does land around that 400mg mark... so all good there. Back off 50-100mg depending on your E2 side effects if needed.

The rest I would rack up the remaining allotment with Primo... working up to 600-700mg in 50-150mg increments as needed to keep your gym performance trending upward. I have seen the best BBers I know make their best progress on 400mg test + sometimes 1500 primo peak offseason and that is it. Note that you can sometimes bring up test another 50-150mg as you increase Primo and modulate estrogen as a result.

Var, avoid if at all possible. The above would be plenty adequate for mass gain throughout an entire 20 week cycle. If you prefer strength increases a little over just lean mass gain, you can steer toward Masteron as that tends to have a bit better strength benefit over Primo for a lot of guys. Var at that dose won't have a terrible effect on health markers, but if they do start to degrade, Var will be your first item to remove.

Nandrolone is a relatively advanced compound in terms of side effects and the number of different receptors it acts on... it is common for this to be more of a distraction within your 20 week growth phase if you aren't experienced with it and know how you respond. This person would make just as good, if not better, progress on Test and Primo alone.
 
I would personally run test up to the level you can handle without an AI... for a lot of advanced competitive BBers, that does land around that 400mg mark... so all good there. Back off 50-100mg depending on your E2 side effects if needed.

The rest I would rack up the remaining allotment with Primo... working up to 600-700mg in 50-150mg increments as needed to keep your gym performance trending upward. I have seen the best BBers I know make their best progress on 400mg test + sometimes 1500 primo peak offseason and that is it. Note that you can sometimes bring up test another 50-150mg as you increase Primo and modulate estrogen as a result.

Var, avoid if at all possible. The above would be plenty adequate for mass gain throughout an entire 20 week cycle. If you prefer strength increases a little over just lean mass gain, you can steer toward Masteron as that tends to have a bit better strength benefit over Primo for a lot of guys. Var at that dose won't have a terrible effect on health markers, but if they do start to degrade, Var will be your first item to remove.

Nandrolone is a relatively advanced compound in terms of side effects and the number of different receptors it acts on... it is common for this to be more of a distraction within your 20 week growth phase if you aren't experienced with it and know how you respond. This person would make just as good, if not better, progress on Test and Primo alone.
That was just a "sample" cycle I posted...not what I would specifically run.
 
That was just a "sample" cycle I posted...not what I would specifically run.

Right.. just my 2C. But it all depends on past experience and previous peak anabolic load. You want to move up in the smallest increments possible to keep your gym performance moving, all while maximizing your recovery factors (adjusting nutrition weekly, or bi-weekly, maximizing sleep... like 9-10 hours if you are really serious about the 20 weeks... massage therapy, acupuncture etc .)

If it were a clean slate, starting at 200mg test.. then start with 250mg and bump calories 10%.... wait until gym performance and body weight stalls (given nutrition is consistent). Then bump test another 50mg.. repeat until you reach a level of testosterone you can no longer tolerate without an AI. For some guys starting at this level, this can safely put you into 40-50 weeks!!! Just watch your health markers and know how to troubleshoot and back off along the way.

If you previously have reached 400+mg test levels, then yeah... similar to the example above.. start with a test level you can tolerate.. then push primo in 50mg increments in a similar fashion as the "clean slate" example, on an as-needed basis until you either reach your target total anabolic load, or you reach a target time duration. This is the cleanest way to make consistent gains over time without fat gain (i.e. lean mass "cycle").

An overlooked aspect is also GH. I would implement this early, starting with the lowest effective dose to get a handle on blood glucose, then increment on an as needed basis (and typically on a what-you-can afford basis).

Keep it simple, rely on frequent adjustments to the meal plan, and you'll continue to move the needle up over long periods of time without health issues.
 
Right.. just my 2C. But it all depends on past experience and previous peak anabolic load. You want to move up in the smallest increments possible to keep your gym performance moving, all while maximizing your recovery factors (adjusting nutrition weekly, or bi-weekly, maximizing sleep... like 9-10 hours if you are really serious about the 20 weeks... massage therapy, acupuncture etc .)

If it were a clean slate, starting at 200mg test.. then start with 250mg and bump calories 10%.... wait until gym performance and body weight stalls (given nutrition is consistent). Then bump test another 50mg.. repeat until you reach a level of testosterone you can no longer tolerate without an AI. For some guys starting at this level, this can safely put you into 40-50 weeks!!! Just watch your health markers and know how to troubleshoot and back off along the way.

If you previously have reached 400+mg test levels, then yeah... similar to the example above.. start with a test level you can tolerate.. then push primo in 50mg increments in a similar fashion as the "clean slate" example, on an as-needed basis until you either reach your target total anabolic load, or you reach a target time duration. This is the cleanest way to make consistent gains over time without fat gain (i.e. lean mass "cycle").

An overlooked aspect is also GH. I would implement this early, starting with the lowest effective dose to get a handle on blood glucose, then increment on an as needed basis (and typically on a what-you-can afford basis).

Keep it simple, rely on frequent adjustments to the meal plan, and you'll continue to move the needle up over long periods of time without health issues.
I agree with everything you said. You're going way too deep. lol I just want to know the cycle YOU GUYS WOULD PERSONALLY RUN under the circumstances based on your experience and level.
 
Week 1-6 500mg test E
Week 1-6 50mg anavar or tbol
Week 6-16 750mg test E 400 Mast E
Week 16 - 20 500mg test E.

Actually something I'm thinking to try...
 
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I agree with everything you said. You're going way too deep. lol I just want to know the cycle YOU GUYS WOULD PERSONALLY RUN under the circumstances based on your experience and level.

Sure.. I guess I read this as "how would you personally set up a cycle under the following example".. and the conditions are a bit vague, so the answer is then "it depends", which warrants added explanation...

Are you asking what I run? Then it is the above, with the same explanation.

If you want it laid out in list form, I run:

Testosterone
Primo
GH

What amounts? it depends on what I need as I navigate 20 weeks.
I start 300-400mg testosterone, move it up as needed.
I start 300mg Primo, move it up as needed.
I start GH 3 IUs per day, move it up as needed.

Any ancillaries depends on the responses... insulin, Metformin, Nolvadex, Telimisartan, etc. as needed, if needed.
 
Sure.. I guess I read this as "how would you personally set up a cycle under the following example".. and the conditions are a bit vague, so the answer is then "it depends", which warrants added explanation...

Are you asking what I run? Then it is the above, with the same explanation.

If you want it laid out in list form, I run:

Testosterone
Primo
GH

What amounts? it depends on what I need as I navigate 20 weeks.
I start 300-400mg testosterone, move it up as needed.
I start 300mg Primo, move it up as needed.
I start GH 3 IUs per day, move it up as needed.

Any ancillaries depends on the responses... insulin, Metformin, Nolvadex, Telimisartan, etc. as needed, if needed.
Damn bro, you been more active today than u have been in the last 2 years 🤔. New phone/pc?
Good stuff. Very informative individual.
 
If I was bulking to my max capacity.

ATIPP - 1g
Primo - 700mg
NPP - 350mg
HGH - 12IU
Dbol - 40mg OR Adrol - 100mg (last 4 weeks)
Even I say thats alot.... lol
My guys I train dont even use that much and one turned Pro last year.
Stay healthy!
 
Even I say thats alot.... lol
My guys I train dont even use that much and one turned Pro last year.
Stay healthy!
Yeah for me that would be a lot for me, most I have gone up to is 700mg test and 560mg with Primo/Mast on top of it. I have ran 350mg NPP on top of that but it's been almost a year since I have ran nandrolone. Honestly by the time I push that far I'm getting results and then I just pull my test back down.

HGH I just like doing a lot of. Money just stops me. :D
 
I have not ran that much consistently. Most I have gone up to is 6IU consistently and my BG was very good.
Must be Chinese generics... 6 ius of HG you would need some glucose support... Berberine, low dose lantus ETC.
Just keep an eye on your fasted BG
HGH is king!!! A long term investment.
 

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