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Dakotaduckey

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I have been contemplating doing a tren cycle, but figuring how long to run for and with what else? I am going to run with it test c 250 at prolly 500/wk so any suggestions.... Bulk for 6 weeks then cut last 4 or I dunno.... Any tips help thanks
 
Are you going to be using Tren A or E?

I would suggest Tren A for you first time, just incase you cant handle the sides. And I would probably drop down to 400mgs for your first time. Also, Masteron will help with the Tren sides.
 
Tren 500 EW would have been a mistake for me. I did Tren A 100ml EOD (350/wk) and test C 250. 10 days in it got interesting, crazy gym aggression, strength was up, 2 near panic attacks, night sweats, insomnia. Rode it out 2 pins but was going to go with NPP for the rest of the cycle. Only thing I did different was up Asin and Prolacterone (was only doing 1/2 the recommended) and now everything is good. Well, lotsa sweating and some acne, heavy shit and slow drivers make me mad-
Use as little test as I can and let tren do the work
 
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If you're tryin to yield the most from your Tren, go low Test 250mgs. They compete for the same receptors and Tren is 5 times stronger than Test, so all you need is enough Test to support sexual function. I've done both and trust me, way way better results from low Test / high Tren.
 
What is an AI? And what's the purpose? I don't have stuff purchased yet but still just brainstorming on my game plan
 
Dakotaduckey said:
What is an AI? And what's the purpose? I don't have stuff purchased yet but still just brainstorming on my game plan
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You need to study aromatization and prolactin. Test will aromatize into estrogen and cause problems, including making you into a B cup. Tren also makes prolactin, which will have those puppies lactating. Do some studying. If you started with a test only first cycle, which is the best idea, you will know if you are gyno prone. If you have not, DO NOT run tren first time out. You will have problems and no idea how to react. There are vets on here that won't touch tren because of the sides.
 
Dakotaduckey said:
What is an AI? And what's the purpose? I don't have stuff purchased yet but still just brainstorming on my game plan
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With all do respect, I suggest you read alot of stickies and please really study from the vets here.
You are a grown man and can do what you want, but this could be a one shot deal if you jack something up in your body.
We are all here to help, never hesitate to ask anything. But stickies are the way to start. Read them from front to back and
Pm me or anybody else if you have a question.
Best of luck to ya brother!
 
Thanks for the advise guys... Yeah first run was test e 300 at 600 per wk for ten weeks. Had a bit of gyno pop up but started with some nolva and it went away in a week or so. After that no gyno popped back up. I haven't decided yet if tren is for me but I have been doing the research cuz I do understand that my body is the only one I got. So any advise is helpful. And believe me, I won't just b the dumb wanna b juicer who take stuff not knowing how it will affect my body and how to go about it after cycle... I plan on setting up next run to b a solid scheduled and just all out awesome gain.
 
Awesome. Thank u guys for the advise. I def plan on researching more and not just jumping into something I'm not fully prepared for. My first run was with test e 300 at 600/wk, and after a few week some gyno popped up but I started my nolva and after a week or so it went away an never came back. Any other advise u have I'm have more than open ears, and just wanna have my next cycle be very planned and shoot for optimal results
 
If you started getting gyno symptoms with 600mg/wk of test you now know you are prone to gyno. Run an AI (aromatise inhibitor) the entire cycle, many here prefer exemestane (Aromasin), of for heavier cycles letrozole (Femara). I'm on purpose spelling everything out so you can research these..... google is a wonderful thing :) . As far as a second cycle goes, tren of course is an option and the advice you have received is good. I recommend another test cycle and a oral kick start like dbol or tbol for the first 4 weeks and save the tren for a little later down the road. Just my .02 cents.
 
Great advice... I think I will wait till third cycle to do that. Well what would u suggest for this one tho? Should I up the test, and try the test c this time? And what kind of orals? Should I do another ten weeks? Start with test and dbol or deca for for beginning then what? Thanks again for the advice
 
Why get this guy started on tren a and not tren e...or better yet why tell some people to do test e/c for first cycle which is long esters??

Should just go with test prop and tren a then and pin it at the same time..so why not do test prop and tren a since it will clear the system quicker if they can't handle sides??

Personally I would do tren e....because all the "advice" you hear around some boards is.....use a longer ester of test for your first cycle...why??

And why does that not apply to or with any other compound...that shit should be the same for any compound, but just at very low dose and work your way up just like you would with test e/c...
 
OP since you are gyno prone, I would look at compounds that work synergistically with test and reduce aromitization. I have been following the proviron thread, and some swear by mast. There are a couple others as well. May not only boost the gains, but also keep the gyno away. Do some research, I have no experience with proviron or masteron.
 
hightestfuel said:
OP since you are gyno prone, I would look at compounds that work synergistically with test and reduce aromitization. I have been following the proviron thread, and some swear by mast. There are a couple others as well. May not only boost the gains, but also keep the gyno away. Do some research, I have no experience with proviron or masteron.
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You never used Masteron???? We need to talk my friend!;)
 
hightestfuel said:
I posted in the OP review thread today. Heard it wasn't selling a ton, but it hasn't been affordable til now- same as primo. You are liking?
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I love Mast man!!! Finished off one jug of the Mast P and grabbing two more with my order tomorrow!
 
bulldogz said:
Why get this guy started on tren a and not tren e...or better yet why tell some people to do test e/c for first cycle which is long esters??

Should just go with test prop and tren a then and pin it at the same time..so why not do test prop and tren a since it will clear the system quicker if they can't handle sides??

Personally I would do tren e....because all the "advice" you hear around some boards is.....use a longer ester of test for your first cycle...why??

And why does that not apply to or with any other compound...that shit should be the same for any compound, but just at very low dose and work your way up just like you would with test e/c...
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A lot of people suggest tren a for the first tren run... this is the only substance people suggest a short ester to start. The reason is because some people have bad sides with tren. Test E and C are not going to give u insomnia, night sweats, or extreme aggression. Tren a is suggested over tren e so people can stop using it and have it clear there system in a few days instead of a few weeks.

Test e/c are suggested for a first cycle because you pin less often. Test prop also causes more post injection pain. Tren is an acceptation to the rule... run tren a first to see if you don't have bad overwhelming sides. If you do well on tren a and want to use tren e next time go ahead.
 
effinrob said:
A lot of people suggest tren a for the first tren run... this is the only substance people suggest a short ester to start. The reason is because some people have bad sides with tren. Test E and C are not going to give u insomnia, night sweats, or extreme aggression. Tren a is suggested over tren e so people can stop using it and have it clear there system in a few days instead of a few weeks.

Test e/c are suggested for a first cycle because you pin less often. Test prop also causes more post injection pain. Tren is an acceptation to the rule... run tren a first to see if you don't have bad overwhelming sides. If you do well on tren a and want to use tren e next time go ahead.
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I disagree, tren is a dose dependent drug in regards to sides. My two friends are running Test E/Tren E for their first time, one is on it now and because he ramped it up slowly he had no bad sides with the low dose of test @ 250mg/wk. Granted, he is now taking something for prolactin to be on the safe side but he loves it; tren is at 350mg I believe now but he took 5 weeks to get there. I will run tren E first but will start it at 300mg/wk for the first few then go up after 3 if I have no issues. Some people don't do well with short esters, heck I had some sides from NPP similar to what people get from tren but had none from deca... that tells me stick to the long esters and be responsible with the dose. I'm not going to run it over 400mg for my first 12 week cycle so I actually enjoy the effects not dread them. If need be I will add in some Masteron but I think 100mg of proviron a day should keep me dry and happy, seems that is the key for mood stabilization while on tren.
 
oufinny said:
I disagree, tren is a dose dependent drug in regards to sides. My two friends are running Test E/Tren E for their first time, one is on it now and because he ramped it up slowly he had no bad sides with the low dose of test @ 250mg/wk. Granted, he is now taking something for prolactin to be on the safe side but he loves it; tren is at 350mg I believe now but he took 5 weeks to get there. I will run tren E first but will start it at 300mg/wk for the first few then go up after 3 if I have no issues. Some people don't do well with short esters, heck I had some sides from NPP similar to what people get from tren but had none from deca... that tells me stick to the long esters and be responsible with the dose. I'm not going to run it over 400mg for my first 12 week cycle so I actually enjoy the effects not dread them. If need be I will add in some Masteron but I think 100mg of proviron a day should keep me dry and happy, seems that is the key for mood stabilization while on tren.
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You are trying to be stable on tren? Wheres the fun in that? not serious-
Will you run proviron the entire cycle? I want to try it, but that is serious cabbage!
 
effinrob said:
A lot of people suggest tren a for the first tren run... this is the only substance people suggest a short ester to start. The reason is because some people have bad sides with tren. Test E and C are not going to give u insomnia, night sweats, or extreme aggression. Tren a is suggested over tren e so people can stop using it and have it clear there system in a few days instead of a few weeks.

Test e/c are suggested for a first cycle because you pin less often. Test prop also causes more post injection pain. Tren is an acceptation to the rule... run tren a first to see if you don't have bad overwhelming sides. If you do well on tren a and want to use tren e next time go ahead.
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I disagree with you and did you just read what you wrote...use test e/c as first cycle because you pin less often, but you would suggest tren a that would have to be pinned at least eod.....at least...? :hmm:

You do know that test e/c is a long ester and it will take a week or so to clear their system if they are having bad side effects, right?

Every single compound out there has some sort of side effects regardless of what it is or what ester it is...insomnia does not happen to everyone...I never had it on tren.....night sweats...just don't have carbs late a night or before bed...aggression...test can have this side effect as well...also...sides usually come with higher doses with many people...

Rule of thumb is...you should start on a low end with the dose with any compound and increase if you can tolerate the "sides"...

Also, lot of prop out their now a days that does not have injection pain or pip anymore...or very little or either...
 
You cant compare tren to test. Test is natural to your body so ester type doesnt mean a whole lot as where tren can have neg sides so must suggest tren ace for the first time user so it can clear the body faster if need be.
 
Darkshadowlander said:
You cant compare tren to test. Test is natural to your body so ester type doesnt mean a whole lot as where tren can have neg sides so must suggest tren ace for the first time user so it can clear the body faster if need be.
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You are also not making sense bro....no one or I am not comparing test to tren...I am talking about esters...also...we or I am talking about exogenous testosterone, it's a controlled substance and you say it's natural....really??

So....taking exogenous testosterone has no side effect but only tren does according to what you are saying?

Test E/C does NOT clear the body fast or faster and sides can linger for a while...despite of what you think....so why not consider or suggest test prop since IT will and does clear the body faster...?
 
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What sides are harsher tren or test? TREN thus the reason people suggest using tren ace over tren e. As for test A cyp en. Or sust. A general consensus of perhaps 500mgs per week of whatever ester should be fairly side free for a beginner not really sure what your trying to prove here
 
I do realize test e or c takes longer to clear by the way. Test generally isnt something you here the average guy say he has neg sides from. Maybe im wrong here but testosterone is something your body normally produces on your own so adding extra wouldn't cause crazy sides. For example. I inject 1000mg of test e. No sides. Or I inject 1000mg of tren e. Which one generally produces the greater sides?
 

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