Astro95 USP - Primo 100 & Masteron 200 BLIND TEST RESULTS

[Bigjape34]

So, I completely understand that. My concern is this, I was told above to go by the last test report. The oil pictured from the last test report is clear. Mine, as well as a few others is yellowish, which means its clearly from a different batch. Fine, no problem, but You're saying that a new batch of raws can cause this. How do I know that these new raws are indeed what there supposed be and if they are, how do I know the purity of it if it hasn't been tested? I seriously dont understand why this is so hard to comprehend.

Bud I’ve seen you on a couple of posts now the answer to your question on how you know is send it in for testing

 

[sebLight80]

So, I completely understand that. My concern is this, I was told above to go by the last test report. The oil pictured from the last test report is clear. Mine, as well as a few others is yellowish, which means its clearly from a different batch. Fine, no problem, but You're saying that a new batch of raws can cause this. How do I know that these new raws are indeed what there supposed be and if they are, how do I know the purity of it if it hasn't been tested? I seriously dont understand why this is so hard to comprehend.

Bro. Fucking test it.


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[Jbg1121]

I am. Thanks

 

[Bigjape34]

I am. Thanks

All that to already have your answer lol

 

[CompoundLifts31]

so what would tren e and npp be faked with? Idk what im running but it’s working. Could be tren hex and dhb?
Definitely got in the game at the worse time it seems

Tren Hex is more expensive so that wouldn't even make sense.

Who knows?

I think this source wants to be a good source, but has some things to work out with his shipper.

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[JMT26]

Tren Hex is more expensive so that wouldn't even make sense.

Who knows?

I think this source wants to be a good source, but has some things to work out with his shipper.

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I think it’s a bit wiser to be more concerned with his US brewer, but either way, he’s got Something to work out with somebody lol

 

[US-pharmacies]

So, I completely understand that. My concern is this, I was told above to go by the last test report. The oil pictured from the last test report is clear. Mine, as well as a few others is yellowish, which means its clearly from a different batch. Fine, no problem, but You're saying that a new batch of raws can cause this. How do I know that these new raws are indeed what there supposed be and if they are, how do I know the purity of it if it hasn't been tested? I seriously dont understand why this is so hard to comprehend.

When you have a regular supplier, which I’ve already tested before and all products were rated A+, you don’t test every single kilogram you receive There isn’t always time for that. Right now, I’m testing batches selectively to ensure quality.
As for the color, the person who handles the production knows themselves that it doesn’t affect the quality – it’s just the way it is. Why they differ in color is something you’d have to ask the raw material production team, but I’ve never really focused on that because my main concern is quality.

Sir, if you have any doubts, please send it for testing. I know recently there have been posts about our problems and your concerns are understandable, but to resolve them, testing needs to be done – at least a blood test. I don’t know what other medications you are taking or for how long, but Masteron is a DHT derivative that lowers E2, and that will also show up in blood tests.

If I can help you in any way, please let me know. Have a nice day.

 

[US-pharmacies]

Tren Hex is more expensive so that wouldn't even make sense.

Who knows?

I think this source wants to be a good source, but has some things to work out with his shipper.

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Yes, that’s true, and that’s exactly what I’m doing right now – even before the DHB issue. The first samples of oils from the domestic section have been sent for testing, and as soon as the results come in, I’ll post them. No matter what the results are, I want to test all the samples to have 100% certainty.

If something goes wrong, I will shut down all the oil-based products in the domestic section, since they are produced there, and look for someone else. That’s all I can do for you at this time. I’m an honorable person, and my word means a lot to me. I’ll keep you all updated regularly.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

I think it’s a bit wiser to be more concerned with his US brewer, but either way, he’s got Something to work out with somebody lol

You're right probably...

Well, it's his shipper that's not only mislabeled gear (Masterone labeled as Primo) , but also added unnecessary BB (it had already been added) to the DHB batch and ruined the domestic DHB.

What has his brewer messed up? I did see some Mast E that was over dosed by about 50mgs, or 25%. There probably are other things, but I'd need to look through all his testing.

Keep in mind that Pharma standard is within 10% of the labeled dosage. So Mast E that's 200mgs can be anywhere from 180mg to 220mg/mL and still be considered GTG.

Would I prefer the mg be on the higher end of the 200mg? Yeah, but we give wiggle room both ways so to say...

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[erichuff1994]

You're right probably...

Well, it's his shipper that's not only mislabeled gear (Masterone labeled as Primo) , but also added unnecessary BB (it had already been added) to the DHB batch and ruined the domestic DHB.

What has his brewer messed up? I did see some Mast E that was over dosed by about 50mgs, or 25%. There probably are other things, but I'd need to look through all his testing.

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Why would a shipper be adding anything to compounds if he’s not a brewer?

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Why would a shipper be adding anything to compounds if he’s not a brewer?

You're right. I didn't think about that.

I don't know why that didn't click. I knew I didn't sleep good last night, but damn lol

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[erichuff1994]

You're right. I didn't think about that.

I don't know why that didn't click. I knew I didn't sleep good last night, but damn lol

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Sometimes gotta read between the lines brother

Also not sure why a shipper would be in charge of labeling either. Sounds like a disaster. Bottles should be labeled as they are filled

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Yes, that’s true, and that’s exactly what I’m doing right now – even before the DHB issue. The first samples of oils from the domestic section have been sent for testing, and as soon as the results come in, I’ll post them. No matter what the results are, I want to test all the samples to have 100% certainty.

If something goes wrong, I will shut down all the oil-based products in the domestic section, since they are produced there, and look for someone else. That’s all I can do for you at this time. I’m an honorable person, and my word means a lot to me. I’ll keep you all updated regularly.

Is your domestic shipper also your domestic brewer?

That may be too much info for your OPSEC, but people are wondering.

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[CompoundLifts31]

Sometimes gotta read between the lines brother

Also not sure why a shipper would be in charge of labeling either. Sounds like a disaster. Bottles should be labeled as they are filled

That would make the most sense.

That way you don't mislabel an entire batch...

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[Syntha Claus]

Just a little insight from experience.

I ordered primo years ago after having some good experience with my first batch. Well, I ticked the wrong box and ordered acetate instead of enanthate.
I was in the USA and my people were brewing it in Mexico according to my “recipe”.
I typically let things sit in media bottles for a week or more to ensure there’s no crashing.
Of course, this shit was crashing as soon as it cooled.
I was fielding calls and trying to figure out a way to save it. Even then, primo was expensive.
So I directed them to add carrier/solvents to reduce the potency to 75mg/mg. Maybe we could sell it as such?
But still, crashing.
So now it’s a total loss. Time to play around. So we added more of this and more of that. It never held. A very, very expensive fuck up. Everything tossed.
I keep a labeled vial on my desk to remind me every time I ordered after that. Check and recheck what is being ordered.

Now, imagine if my people bottled and labeled this trash and sold it.
Devastating to my business and shitting on my customers.
Those helping me would never again do so.

And as far as testing. I couldn’t afford to send out every batch, but sent out things like primo, halotestin and other expensive compounds to Jano.
But things like oxandrolone and testosterone, I would just melt test. This is an organic chemistry standard and is at least accurate enough to tell you what it isn’t. You need the apparatus, but I found this to be a sound investment.

IIRC, oxandolone melts at 235-238 celsius. It is hard to fake at that high of a temperature. Often faked with dbol, which melts at 165c.

Another example of often faked or swapped compounds:
Clenbuterol melts at 170c +/-
Albuterol at 180 +/-
If your clenbuterol raw doesn’t melt by 171 or so, it is probably albuterol. Wait until 180c to see.

 

[erichuff1994]

Just a little insight from experience.

I ordered primo years ago after having some good experience with my first batch. Well, I ticked the wrong box and ordered acetate instead of enanthate.
I was in the USA and my people were brewing it in Mexico according to my “recipe”.
I typically let things sit in media bottles for a week or more to ensure there’s no crashing.
Of course, this shit was crashing as soon as it cooled.
I was fielding calls and trying to figure out a way to save it. Even then, primo was expensive.
So I directed them to add carrier/solvents to reduce the potency to 75mg/mg. Maybe we could sell it as such?
But still, crashing.
So now it’s a total loss. Time to play around. So we added more of this and more of that. It never held. A very, very expensive fuck up. Everything tossed.
I keep a labeled vial on my desk to remind me every time I ordered after that. Check and recheck what is being ordered.

Now, imagine if my people bottled and labeled this trash and sold it.
Devastating to my business and shitting on my customers.
Those helping me would never again do so.

And as far as testing. I couldn’t afford to send out every batch, but sent out things like primo, halotestin and other expensive compounds to Jano.
But things like oxandrolone and testosterone, I would just melt test. This is an organic chemistry standard and is at least accurate enough to tell you what it isn’t. You need the apparatus, but I found this to be a sound investment.

IIRC, oxandolone melts at 235-238 celsius. It is hard to fake at that high of a temperature. Often faked with dbol, which melts at 165c.

Another example of often faked or swapped compounds:
Clenbuterol melts at 170c +/-
Albuterol at 180 +/-
If your clenbuterol raw doesn’t melt by 171 or so, it is probably albuterol. Wait until 180c to see.

Morale of the story. If you want something done right do it yourself. Prolly why @SB Labs and @Marathon doesnt seem to have all these reoccurring problems

 

[GainzMaverick]

I have seen a lot of compounds addressed here but nothing on tren ace. The vial is incredibly cloudy which obviously raises concern as to sterility and safety. Has anyone else seen this?

 

[Marathon]

I have seen a lot of compounds addressed here but nothing on tren ace. The vial is incredibly cloudy which obviously raises concern as to sterility and safety. Has anyone else seen this?View attachment 206895

Tren ace will do that when it's not filtered properly, very bad sign. They could be running it through coffee filters or not filtering it at all. That is some real ghetto shit right there

 

[BC22]

Tren ace will do that when it's not filtered properly, very bad sign. They could be running it through coffee filters or not filtering it at all. That is some real ghetto shit right there

No no no….its just bad luck.

 

[Marathon]

No no no….its just bad luck.

I don't think chat GPT is going to help him talk his way out of this one lol. I wouldn't pin that with your ass

 

[erichuff1994]

Tren ace will do that when it's not filtered properly, very bad sign. They could be running it through coffee filters or not filtering it at all. That is some real ghetto shit right there

Must have been his “shipper”

 

[Marathon]

Must have been his “shipper”

Or Karma for coming here trying to steal other shops reps

 

[Bigjape34]

Or Karma for coming here trying to steal other shops reps

Plot twist lol

 

[GainzMaverick]

Or Karma for coming here trying to steal other shops reps

Wow. So much for “all boats rise in high tide”. Every man for himself out here.

 

[Marathon]

Wow. So much for “all boats rise in high tide”. Every man for himself out here.

Exactly, speaks volumes about his character. But not as much as all the posts about his garbage gear around the forum lately, I can't even keep up with it.

 

[JMT26]

You're right probably...

Well, it's his shipper that's not only mislabeled gear (Masterone labeled as Primo) , but also added unnecessary BB (it had already been added) to the DHB batch and ruined the domestic DHB.

What has his brewer messed up? I did see some Mast E that was over dosed by about 50mgs, or 25%. There probably are other things, but I'd need to look through all his testing.

Keep in mind that Pharma standard is within 10% of the labeled dosage. So Mast E that's 200mgs can be anywhere from 180mg to 220mg/mL and still be considered GTG.

Would I prefer the mg be on the higher end of the 200mg? Yeah, but we give wiggle room both ways so to say...

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I know there is no way that you believe the “shipper” added BB lol. If that is the case and is true, we have much larger issues at hand… The only way to properly say this, is why in the absolute fuck would a shipper be making any changes to any oil in finished vials? If I found out a sources forwarder was tampering with oil in finished vials with his dirty, unwashed fucking hands, and god knows what unsanitary equipment, that shit would go straight to the garbage can. Sounds like a terrible case of staph waiting to happen lol come on bro.

 

[JMT26]

Why would a shipper be adding anything to compounds if he’s not a brewer?

Guess I should have read one comment further lol - this was my point…

 

[Syntha Claus]

I have no idea but to have a shipper separately from a brewer, that's just one more cog in the machine that can go wrong. In other words, another liability.

There was a great lab here for a long time. One man operation: brewer, bottler and shipper. It's the whole "three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead" type thing.
But even he might have gotten busted. We don't know because he disappeared. Hopefully because he got out in time rather than busted.

I wouldn't go on a public forum describing the ins and outs of my operation. Nobody should.

 

[Halfi]

I have seen a lot of compounds addressed here but nothing on tren ace. The vial is incredibly cloudy which obviously raises concern as to sterility and safety. Has anyone else seen this?View attachment 206895

That there sir is probably dehydrated piss from the “china raws supplier “

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Too many issues.

I can't try to defend this source anymore.

I have no dog in this fight and some things just don't make sense/ aren't adding up.

I didn't have enough information in the beginning and that's my fault.


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