Anavar with Test E to manage estrogen?

[FitnessMcGee]

Guys,

In your experience and though looking at bloodwork results, will running low does (12.5-25mg/day) Anavar with Test E help to manage any aromatization and therefore E2? Also, have you seen a stabilization or lowering of SHBG when adding in Anavar on top of testosterone? This is assuming the Anavar is real.

I'll be getting blood work 6 weeks in to check the effects for myself.

 

[zionoir626]

I only think...Masteron and Proviron have slight anti-estrogen qualities..and Yes bloodwork is where to look..
Never heard of Var doing that..IDK
Z...

 

[FitnessMcGee]

I only think...Masteron and Proviron have slight anti-estrogen qualities..and Yes bloodwork is where to look..
Never heard of Var doing that..IDK
Z...

Yeah it could be an interesting experiment and I expect to see some effect on SHBG. The bloodwork will give us some good data regardless

 

[zionoir626]

The proper way to figure just how much estrogen benefits is bloods..
If one is using either Mast or Proviron, they should be aware when choosing an AI protocol..
Many Don't...
The average guy doesn't know this, for the most part..room for error..
Z...

 

[FitnessMcGee]

The proper way to figure just how much estrogen benefits is bloods..
If one is using either Mast or Proviron, they should be aware when choosing an AI protocol..
Many Don't...
The average guy doesn't know this, for the most part..room for error..
Z...

Proviron is one of those compounds I would like to experiment with next cycle, but I still need to do more research and get more blood data to determine if it would even be worth it.

 

[zionoir626]

I need to as well...
It will be so different, person to person..
But a Test/Proviron cycle is very effective..
And raise the Test with a few extra bloods, one could find either beneficial..
One could then effectively use Masteron and/or Proviron with confidence as and AI...
BUT...
Without truly knowing...its another guess..
Z...

 

[FitnessMcGee]

I need to as well...
It will be so different, person to person..
But a Test/Proviron cycle is very effective..
And raise the Test with a few extra bloods, one could find either beneficial..
One could then effectively use Masteron and/or Proviron with confidence as and AI...
BUT...
Without truly knowing...its another guess..
Z...

Exactly...its going to be all about the bloods. You are right that the reason for even wanting to deploy the Proviron would be to take advantage of a little extra free test and avoid an AI. If only it were that simple!

 

[Bando]

Are you needing an AI from the testosterone dosage alone now? If so, IMO no, 12-25mg of Var will not alleviate the need. I guess it’s possible since we all respond to DHT derivatives differently. But unlikely.

However, depending on exactly how much Test E you’re taking you may be able to go to frequent injections to eliminate the need for an AI. Obviously we’re not talking about amounts in the 500mg + range. But it’s totally possible with 250mg/wk Testosterone and under for me.

 

[zionoir626]

Knowing exactly when one needs an AI is quintessential..
That's what is gained in you're first two Test cycles..
Oh..shit..
No One does that...
My Bad..lol
Z...

 

[FitnessMcGee]

Are you needing an AI from the testosterone dosage alone now? If so, IMO no, 12-25mg of Var will not alleviate the need. I guess it’s possible since we all respond to DHT derivatives differently. But unlikely.

However, depending on exactly how much Test E you’re taking you may be able to go to frequent injections to eliminate the need for an AI. Obviously we’re not talking about amounts in the 500mg + range. But it’s totally possible with 250mg/wk Testosterone and under for me.

Only three weeks in with 350mg Test E/week pinning E3.5D and no current need for AI. I like your point that stabilizing bloods with more frequent injections would likely have a greater effect on stabilizing E2 and SHBG than a low dose of anavar. The other question would be if the anavar could have a proviron-like effect on SHGB to make more free test available.
All speculation without bloods

 

[Wiseguy]

Guys,

In your experience and though looking at bloodwork results, will running low does (12.5-25mg/day) Anavar with Test E help to manage any aromatization and therefore E2? Also, have you seen a stabilization or lowering of SHBG when adding in Anavar on top of testosterone? This is assuming the Anavar is real.

I'll be getting blood work 6 weeks in to check the effects for myself.

Anavar will have zero effect in lowering e2 absolutely nothing. I am not even sure where you heard or read my that.

 

[FitnessMcGee]

Anavar will have zero effect in lowering e2 absolutely nothing. I am not even sure where you heard or read my that.

I think that when I read about Anavar's potential effect on SHBG I was curious if anyone has seen E2 manipulation as well with anavar. It is helpful to know that it will not have an effect in lowering e2.
There was an old school guy at my gym that tried to tell me you can just run anavar at the end of a cycle for your PCT so it is safe to say I don't talk to him anymore...

 

[Wiseguy]

I think that when I read about Anavar's potential effect on SHBG I was curious if anyone has seen E2 manipulation as well with anavar. It is helpful to know that it will not have an effect in lowering e2.
There was an old school guy at my gym that tried to tell me you can just run anavar at the end of a cycle for your PCT so it is safe to say I don't talk to him anymore...

Just Var would have shut you down worst.
Some bad info brother. I am glad you are checking before doing any of these ridiculous suggestions.

 

[Bando]

I think that when I read about Anavar's potential effect on SHBG I was curious if anyone has seen E2 manipulation as well with anavar. It is helpful to know that it will not have an effect in lowering e2.
There was an old school guy at my gym that tried to tell me you can just run anavar at the end of a cycle for your PCT so it is safe to say I don't talk to him anymore...

What I have found with all those potential E2 affecting compounds is that they are highly individualized. EQ, DHB, Mast, Proviron, Primo etc...

You literally have to try each one to know how they affect your E2. For example, primo drastically lowers mine. Mast lowers it slightly. Can’t take Proviron for other reasons and the other drugs seem to fall in between Mast and no effect. It’s so weird but the fact that it’s highly individual is part of what I like most about the pharmacology aspect of this lifestyle lol

 

[FitnessMcGee]

What I have found with all those potential E2 affecting compounds is that they are highly individualized. EQ, DHB, Mast, Proviron, Primo etc...

You literally have to try each one to know how they affect your E2. For example, primo drastically lowers mine. Mast lowers it slightly. Can’t take Proviron for other reasons and the other drugs seem to fall in between Mast and no effect. It’s so weird but the fact that it’s highly individual is part of what I like most about the pharmacology aspect of this lifestyle lol

That was well said.

After enough time in the game I hope to have those data points for myself. It has been so interesting researching the pharmacology and and it will be even better watching the changes in real life.

 

[Wiseguy]

No steroids I don't care what it is will take a place of an AI. Some have E2 reduction properties on paper but no way they can lower or stabilize high E2. If you are running 100 to 200mg of test like a trt dose and taking proviron or Masteron is should be fine because you are not aromatizing much anyway. But 300 or 400 or above and thinking Master, Primo, Var or anything else is going to help lower its aboslutly 1000% false.

 

[FitnessMcGee]

No steroids I don't care what it is will take a place of an AI. Some have E2 reduction properties on paper but no way they can lower or stabilize high E2. If you are running 100 to 200mg of test like a trt dose and taking proviron or Masteron is should be fine because you are not aromatizing much anyway. But 300 or 400 or above and thinking Master, Primo, Var or anything else is going to help lower its aboslutly 1000% false.

That is extremely valuable information because I was definitely overestimating the AI potential for some of these steroids.

 

[Wiseguy]

That is extremely valuable information because I was definitely overestimating the AI potential for some of these steroids.

Yes brother nothing zero. If that was the case no one would take AI just stack it with proviron or Masteron. I personally never take AI unless blood work shows significant increase in E2. Low increase is fine and its manageable and no gyno worry. AI's are very harsh drugs and should not be popping them like candy. I know guys they always run it along their cycles because they are so worried about gyno. That is so stupid. You have to know your levels before taking the drug. Crashing your E2 is pretty much worst than having high E2.
There has to be perfect balance and feeling something doesn't do it. Blood work the only way.

 

[Bando]

That was well said.

After enough time in the game I hope to have those data points for myself. It has been so interesting researching the pharmacology and and it will be even better watching the changes in real life.

Yessir! It sure is. You sound like me. The pharmacology planning and scheming based on goals. Then the implementation of your writings and into the physical transformation and feedback. That’s what’s up. I still enjoy it over 40 but goals have def changed. So now I get to learn about a whole new class of drugs for endurance and anti aging. And it’s still awesome!

 

[FitnessMcGee]

Yessir! It sure is. You sound like me. The pharmacology planning and scheming based on goals. Then the implementation of your writings and into the physical transformation and feedback. That’s what’s up. I still enjoy it over 40 but goals have def changed. So now I get to learn about a whole new class of drugs for endurance and anti aging. And it’s still awesome!

The goals might be changing but the learning never stops! Love it

 

[FitnessMcGee]

Yes brother nothing zero. If that was the case no one would take AI just stack it with proviron or Masteron. I personally never take AI unless blood work shows significant increase in E2. Low increase is fine and its manageable and no gyno worry. AI's are very harsh drugs and should not be popping them like candy. I know guys they always run it along their cycles because they are so worried about gyno. That is so stupid. You have to know your levels before taking the drug. Crashing your E2 is pretty much worst than having high E2.
There has to be perfect balance and feeling something doesn't do it. Blood work the only way.

This is very helpful. I will get bloods at the midway point of this first cycle to gather the data points and continue to build those data points over the years. Thanks