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JACKED_ said:
I'm on 7.5 year round for the health benefits typically keep it in a growth phase. No hunger suppression at that dose, 15mg almost no desire to eat. Remember I'm 240. Metformin because I'm almost diabetic at this point actually fasted BG is probably like 140 without a basal insulin so we fix this with tirz combo and metformin.

Sema worked pretty well but I was shitting blood like crazy lol
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This is why I stirred away from insulin and high dose GH with high carbs. Guys think they can simply bump all this stuff up because they have a glucose monitor and they’ll be fine. Even a guy like you that’s responding incredibly well bodybuilding wise and seem to have a good protocol in place have reached this point. To me once I had to be on insulin, t4 cause thyroid was screwed, bp meds and all this shit I was like wtf am I doing it was all about training originally, then gear now it’s a pharmacy. Hope you get it all under control and get even more glorious gains, but dudes need to be safe. Todd did it and is smarter more experienced than most. Let that sink in.
 
Meetketchup said:
I've seen enough blood work to disagree with this. :)

Totally agree with you on berberine. One of my favorite supp's.
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Not saying it doesn't have any effects.
Just for myself, when I was running 600mg.

Had very minimal impacts.
Especially compared to DHTs.
 
Astro95 said:
This is why I stirred away from insulin and high dose GH with high carbs. Guys think they can simply bump all this stuff up because they have a glucose monitor and they’ll be fine. Even a guy like you that’s responding incredibly well bodybuilding wise and seem to have a good protocol in place have reached this point. To me once I had to be on insulin, t4 cause thyroid was screwed, bp meds and all this shit I was like wtf am I doing it was all about training originally, then gear now it’s a pharmacy. Hope you get it all under control and get even more glorious gains, but dudes need to be safe. Todd did it and is smarter more experienced than most. Let that sink in.
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I'm literally on insulin,t4 and BP meds from this last run 🤣 I'm going to run again for 2 months fix the lipids, probably end up around 215-220 by the time lipids are good. Instead of hammering insulting at 80+ units a day I'm just going to do 10 log pre/post and keep the gh at 10.

Still believe I can grow on only a gram with that protocol in place. You're right tho running the gh and insulin high you'll mutate rapidly but there's definitely a price. Curious if gh/insulin have any impact on lipids. My LDL was 78 and HDL 34 on 1800mgs total including tren. I'm on way less and this is the worst they've ever been.
 
Bysandtrys said:
Not saying it doesn't have any effects.
Just for myself, when I was running 600mg.

Had very minimal impacts.
Especially compared to DHTs.
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I really really want to keep EQ in but I also don't Wana die in my sleep at 50 from plaque. I have straight anxiety about it. I'll blast whatever into oblivion and sleep great, but If I see LDL over 100 I panic. Especially since my HDL hasn't been lower for 3 straight years.
 
JACKED_ said:
I'm literally on insulin,t4 and BP meds from this last run 🤣 I'm going to run again for 2 months fix the lipids, probably end up around 215-220 by the time lipids are good. Instead of hammering insulting at 80+ units a day I'm just going to do 10 log pre/post and keep the gh at 10.

Still believe I can grow on only a gram with that protocol in place. You're right tho running the gh and insulin high you'll mutate rapidly but there's definitely a price. Curious if gh/insulin have any impact on lipids. My LDL was 78 and HDL 34 on 1800mgs total including tren. I'm on way less and this is the worst they've ever been.
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The diabetes possibility is a bit more concerning to me than screwed cholesterol while you gain mass, then get it in check afterwards, but yeah. Eventually it becomes a pharmacy of stuff you need to take to maintain health. There’s open a bunch of open pros and high level physiques that didn’t run insulin. Yeah genetics at play, but seems like a quicker route with all the bs involved. It’s like gear to a natty = faster gains, then gh/slin to a guy on only aas = faster gains, but not needed.
 
rdm said:
Grams of gear? Good. 😀 Junk food? Of course. 🤩 Cardarine? GET OUT OF MY FACE :mad:
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I've never ran 2000 total first off. Low fat diet is acceptable in my opinion. GW is sketch but I like it. I'm honestly just scared of it. PPAR over expression leads to cancer in every single testable manner 100% of the time.
 
Astro95 said:
The diabetes possibility is a bit more concerning to me than screwed cholesterol while you gain mass, then get it in check afterwards, but yeah. Eventually it becomes a pharmacy of stuff you need to take to maintain health. There’s open a bunch of open pros and high level physiques that didn’t run insulin. Yeah genetics at play, but seems like a quicker route with all the bs involved. It’s like gear to a natty = faster gains, then gh/slin to a guy on only aas = faster gains, but not needed.
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Absolutely agree. I think moderate GH and slin pre and post will be a lot more forgiving.
 
Only way to clean up your cholesterol is with lots of butter 🧈
Chef Cooking GIF by Paul Cooks
 
Astro95 said:
The diabetes possibility is a bit more concerning to me than screwed cholesterol while you gain mass, then get it in check afterwards, but yeah. Eventually it becomes a pharmacy of stuff you need to take to maintain health. There’s open a bunch of open pros and high level physiques that didn’t run insulin. Yeah genetics at play, but seems like a quicker route with all the bs involved. It’s like gear to a natty = faster gains, then gh/slin to a guy on only aas = faster gains, but not needed.
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LDL is literally the worst and best indicator of heart future heart issues. The one thing that you can't fuck with.
 
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Meetketchup said:
LDL is literally the worst and best indicator of heart future heart issues. The one thing that you can't fuck with.
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I would prefer to look at ApoB.
Lp(a) is another marker to get a good perspective of genetic and lifestyle predisposition.
 
Bysandtrys said:
I would prefer to look at ApoB.
Lp(a) is another marker to get a good perspective of genetic and lifestyle predisposition.
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LDL is the initial red flag that is NEVER good, while the next step for more detailed data is ApoB.

Linear LDL is 100% correlated to heart issues, the severity is found through Apo8. Moral of story: Get LDL down.
 
Meetketchup said:
LDL is the initial red flag that is NEVER good, while the next step for more detailed data is ApoB.

Linear LDL is 100% correlated to heart issues, the severity is found through Apo8. Moral of story: Get LDL down.
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Is a "too low" LDL problematic?
 
The medical field over the years has pushed what the ldl should be lower and lower. Should focus more on getting the ratio of hdl to ldl better and lowering triglycerides. There's also lots of medical studies showing extremely low cholesterol levels correlated with higher mortality rates, like the study I just posted on 12.8 million people. Having an ldl lower than 100 isn't exactly healthy and having it between 150-200 is perfectly fine and normal. People trying too hard to skew normal healthy bodily functions. I'm still shocked at how many people think their hdl can be higher than their ldl. Many other factors I'm worried about before my cholesterol levels. Anyway, I'm going to stop because this topic is my cardarine, lol.
 

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