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61 yrs old male - On Reta 8mg + Test E 120mg/wk Subq - which addition gives best body recomp? Primo only, HGH only, or Primo+Var?

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Good morning/afternoon all!

Am currently looking for advice from experienced users on which route to stack with my existing Reta + TRT base. My Goal is body recomposition ASAP - lose visceral fat and overall Bodyfat while starting to rebuild muscle. Not chasing a stage physique, just want to look and feel like a different person in the next 6-12 months. Please see for my stats at the bottom of my post.

I'm currently running Reta for 11 weeks (6 mg/wk now) and TRT for 3 weeks (120–150mg/wk split over 3 shots). I have lost 37 lbs since day1 but am still 27% BF with a large waist. Have recently also started taking MOTS-C 5mg/2xwk with go results in having more Energy which was one of my big issues.

I looked into Peptides for this e.g. Ipamorelin and Tesamorelin but have decided to move away due to my age and other factors.

In terms of exercise, I am semi retired and am going 4 x wk for longer power walks (1-2 hours each) and have set up a weight lifting rack in my garage for workouts to be started later this week.

The question I have to the group is what to add on top next:

Option 1 — Reta 8mg + TRT + HGH 2iu/day

Classic recomp stack. Growth hormone for fat mobilisation, tissue quality and recovery. Concerned about cost and whether 2iu is meaningful enough at my age to justify it vs the other options.

Option 2 — Reta 8mg + TRT + Primobolan 200mg/wk

Lean, dry gains, no aromatisation issues, lipid-friendly relative to other compounds. Seems like a natural fit alongside Reta for a clean recomp. Main concern is whether 200mg actually moves the needle or if it's underdosed for someone my size.

Option 3 — Reta 8mg + TRT + Primobolan 200mg/wk + Anavar 10–20mg/day (oral)

Add Var on top of Primo for extra anabolic drive and strength. Aware of hepatotoxicity and lipid concerns at low doses. Wondering if the addition is worthwhile or just adds complexity and risk without proportional benefit given Reta will already be doing heavy lifting on the fat loss side.

Would love to hear from anyone who has run any of these combos, especially alongside a GLP-1. Key things I'm trying to understand:

- Does HGH at 2iu actually make a meaningful difference for someone already on Reta?

- Is Primo 200mg enough, or should I just skip it and stick to TRT-only until I've lost more weight?

- Is Anavar at low dose (20mg) a sensible add or overkill at this stage?

Any experience or thoughts are very welcome. Happy to answer questions.

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My Stats / Health background:

- Age: 61 | Male

  • Weight: 227 lbs| 103kg - down from 264lbs mid February
  • Height: ~190cm / 6'3"

- BF%: 26.9%, significant visceral fat, primary target - down from 34%

- eGFR: 60 (CKD Stage 3a, relevant for compound selection)

- ACR: 0.95 mg/mmol (normal)

- BP: 125/73 (controlled on Candesartan + Lercanidipine) - down from 220/135 a year ago

- HbA1c: 33 mmol/mol

- Total cholesterol: 4.1 mmol/L | HDL: 0.95 (low — working on this) | LDL: 2.5

- Testosterone: 300 ng/dL - Free Testosterone: 8.1 ng/dL - which why i have started self managed TRT

- Haematocrit: 47.1% (baseline, pre-TRT)

- VO2 max (Apple Watch): ~26 — improving via daily power walks

- Currently on Atorvastatin — aware of lipid implications of oral compounds

- Retatrutide experience: several months in, dose-escalated to current level

- Comfortable with subQ injection protocol

- Have just done Full bloods (test, E2 sensitive, eGFR, ACR, haematocrit) and planned a re-test in 4-6 weeks
 
RandomLifter said:
I’m only 40 but often times adding more compounds works against me. Cranks up my CNS, messes with sleep.

TBH I would go Reta + TRT + 2iu HGH and nothing else.
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I agree with this. No other compounds needed. Therapy replacement levels for the GH and Test and focus on diet and training. Definitely no need for Anavar at all. It would do nothing but tax organs.
 
GH and Trt with a pretty strict diet, hands down. There's nothing like GH after you've been on it long enough to really obtain and see and feel the benefits. Trt and GH is all you need as far as compounds are concerned.
 
Trying to eat enough food to grow muscle on reta and loose fat can be a tough thing even for the young. I am older then you and i find doing 1 thing at a time is tough enough.
 
Cause you aren’t going to grow muscle while losing the fat you want. If you really want to put in some muscle/ size get down to a manageable weight and body fat percentage than once you are there and the body is primed to go transition into the next set of goals
 
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Diet, re-dedicate to the lifting, focus on sleep. Then TRT, reta, and tesamorlin at 1mg AM for 2 months. Then move to the HGH as a way of life.
The tesa is pretty effective stuff if you have never used it. I'd give it a shot without the HGH add first.

Options 2 and 3 for after you did the Option 1 run.
 
Dude you have kidney disease, 27% bodyfat and are just about to start lifting. The last thing you should be thinking about is anavar or primobolan.

I would diet as aggressively as you are comfortable with down to 12% ASAP. I would also talk to your doctor about HGH use with kidney disease. My guess might be it's harmless but that's just a guess
 
celrin321 said:
Dude you have kidney disease, 27% bodyfat and are just about to start lifting. The last thing you should be thinking about is anavar or primobolan.

I would diet as aggressively as you are comfortable with down to 12% ASAP. I would also talk to your doctor about HGH use with kidney disease. My guess might be it's harmless but that's just a guess
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I need to work on my reading comprehension skills, Idk how i missed that part. But holy f*ck yes youre right. Why would anyone even think about anything more than TRT with kidney disease at that age. Definitely not man. And damn sure dont add anavar or any other oral. Anavar isnt directly nephrotoxic but given the pre-existing kidney disease it's the last add on he should make.
 
Focus on weight loss w reta and limit the AAS to test. GH is a gentle option, no harm in adding it in. Get to 12%bf as already suggested and then you could benefit from a gentle DHT like mast or primo.
 
Hablooblah said:
I need to work on my reading comprehension skills, Idk how i missed that part. But holy f*ck yes youre right. Why would anyone even think about anything more than TRT with kidney disease at that age. Definitely not man. And damn sure dont add anavar or any other oral. Anavar isnt directly nephrotoxic but given the pre-existing kidney disease it's the last add on he should make.
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I appreciate your view and be,ie e me the whole reason I have started this health kick is to control the CKD.

Having said that within 6 months, I have dropped my BP from 220/135 to 130/75, my weight from 120kg to 102kg by exercising most days, dropping alcohol completely, no chocolate, no sugar, no crisps, no sweets. So I am quite aware that this is a long journey but I am well on my way.

Now my eGFR has also improved to 60 which is on the limit back to lower normal so not really overly concerned as it is now.

Of course I need to monitor it which I am doing by regular self funded blood tests.

My AAS knowledge is rudimentary hence I have asked amateurish questions in order to elicite user experiences by people who have been there and done it.

Thanks
 
celrin321 said:
Dude you have kidney disease, 27% bodyfat and are just about to start lifting. The last thing you should be thinking about is anavar or primobolan.

I would diet as aggressively as you are comfortable with down to 12% ASAP. I would also talk to your doctor about HGH use with kidney disease. My guess might be it's harmless but that's just a guess
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My doctor doesn’t want me on Reta or Test E, she is not going to talk to me about HGH or Var or any other AAS.
 
Whon068 said:
Diet, re-dedicate to the lifting, focus on sleep. Then TRT, reta, and tesamorlin at 1mg AM for 2 months. Then move to the HGH as a way of life.
The tesa is pretty effective stuff if you have never used it. I'd give it a shot without the HGH add first.

Options 2 and 3 for after you did the Option 1 run.
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My concern is Tessa not being effective for me due to my age. Hence I am thinking of the GH route. Don’t want to spend time and money on Tesa to discover it has been fruitless.
 
Oran Juice Jones said:
Compounds alone won’t do it, you have to learn how to eat and train. Also get the right amount of rest. Compounds are only icing on the cake, if you want to change your body the basics are what does it


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Eating the right diet is my biggest problem - Reta has blunted my appetite so I am struggling to get even the right protein amounts down each day.
 
Reta is just too damn strong for me. It blunts appetite and stomach transit time hard. But what’s more is it reduces the amount of joy I feel. Everything is gray to me the first 3-4 days after a shot. Not worth it to me.

GH can be added w out much worry. And don’t feel you have to use tiny doses. 5 iu’s is good. 2 is not enough. It ain’t gonna do much for ya, to manage expectations. It’ll help recovery and puff you up a bit, but unlikely to see lots of muscle growth and weight. I do think ramping up the dose slowly is best to mitigate carpel tunnel symptoms.
 
MaxAlt said:
My doctor doesn’t want me on Reta or Test E, she is not going to talk to me about HGH or Var or any other AAS.
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Makes sense. I would try to ask her about why. If she gives a good medical reason as to why you shouldn't do these with kidney disease, take her seriously. If its just the usual Dr risk aversion then its more of just a risk calculation on your part. But I would seriously do the research on the interactions of these drugs with your condition. Only say that because Ive had family members with CKD and its not fun. Had to basically be on of their dialysis nurses during the covid bullshit.
 
2bull said:
Reta is just too damn strong for me. It blunts appetite and stomach transit time hard. But what’s more is it reduces the amount of joy I feel. Everything is gray to me the first 3-4 days after a shot. Not worth it to me.

GH can be added w out much worry. And don’t feel you have to use tiny doses. 5 iu’s is good. 2 is not enough. It ain’t gonna do much for ya, to manage expectations. It’ll help recovery and puff you up a bit, but unlikely to see lots of muscle growth and weight. I do think ramping up the dose slowly is best to mitigate carpel tunnel symptoms.
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I hear you. For me it doesn’t even blunt my appetite anymore and I have stopped losing any weight, so I have upped my dosage again to 4mg E3D so around 9mg per week.

I am currently ordering GH and have to wait 3 weeks until it arrives but will start with 2 IU to begin with and take from there.

I mainly want to get rid of my belly fat and get under 20% BF first. Building muscles would be very welcome and a good outcome but losing weight to improve my overall health is the most important next step.

It will enable me to start running again and drop weight naturally by being extra active and enjoying the summer outdoors.
 
celrin321 said:
Makes sense. I would try to ask her about why. If she gives a good medical reason as to why you shouldn't do these with kidney disease, take her seriously. If its just the usual Dr risk aversion then its more of just a risk calculation on your part. But I would seriously do the research on the interactions of these drugs with your condition. Only say that because Ive had family members with CKD and it’s not fun. Had to basically be on of their dialysis nurses during the covid bullshit.
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Already did, she said my testosterone level at 300 is perfectly fine and I don’t need any TRT and she doesn’t recommend it.

My response was I have been feeling tired and sub-par all my adult life and now I do want to feel great not just managing my low testosterone.

I don’t want to start swearing here but this attitude here in England it pisses me off to no end. So I have decided to research research and more research and SELF MEDICATE. Don’t even want to talk to a doctor at a TRT clinic!
 
Just another moron physician. The knowledge found in communities like these far eclipse what some coddled twat “doctor” knows by a million, so ask questions and research here. You’ll be better off unless you’re a drug addict type and in that case, don’t even get started.
 
2bull said:
Just another moron physician. The knowledge found in communities like these far eclipse what some coddled twat “doctor” knows by a million, so ask questions and research here. You’ll be better off unless you’re a drug addict type and in that case, don’t even get started.
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Completely agree - And no I am definitely not a drug addict, never smoked a cigarette let alone taking drugs all my life. Worked all my life like a schmuck listening to authorities like your MD or your CEO. Just figured a few years ago they are all making shit up as they go along and not worth our time and reverence.

We are responsible for ourselves and need to figure things out. So I am done listening to what my doctor says, better ask here and build knowledge up quickly.
 
MaxAlt said:
Good morning/afternoon all!

Am currently looking for advice from experienced users on which route to stack with my existing Reta + TRT base. My Goal is body recomposition ASAP - lose visceral fat and overall Bodyfat while starting to rebuild muscle. Not chasing a stage physique, just want to look and feel like a different person in the next 6-12 months. Please see for my stats at the bottom of my post.

I'm currently running Reta for 11 weeks (6 mg/wk now) and TRT for 3 weeks (120–150mg/wk split over 3 shots). I have lost 37 lbs since day1 but am still 27% BF with a large waist. Have recently also started taking MOTS-C 5mg/2xwk with go results in having more Energy which was one of my big issues.

I looked into Peptides for this e.g. Ipamorelin and Tesamorelin but have decided to move away due to my age and other factors.

In terms of exercise, I am semi retired and am going 4 x wk for longer power walks (1-2 hours each) and have set up a weight lifting rack in my garage for workouts to be started later this week.

The question I have to the group is what to add on top next:

Option 1 — Reta 8mg + TRT + HGH 2iu/day

Classic recomp stack. Growth hormone for fat mobilisation, tissue quality and recovery. Concerned about cost and whether 2iu is meaningful enough at my age to justify it vs the other options.

Option 2 — Reta 8mg + TRT + Primobolan 200mg/wk

Lean, dry gains, no aromatisation issues, lipid-friendly relative to other compounds. Seems like a natural fit alongside Reta for a clean recomp. Main concern is whether 200mg actually moves the needle or if it's underdosed for someone my size.

Option 3 — Reta 8mg + TRT + Primobolan 200mg/wk + Anavar 10–20mg/day (oral)

Add Var on top of Primo for extra anabolic drive and strength. Aware of hepatotoxicity and lipid concerns at low doses. Wondering if the addition is worthwhile or just adds complexity and risk without proportional benefit given Reta will already be doing heavy lifting on the fat loss side.

Would love to hear from anyone who has run any of these combos, especially alongside a GLP-1. Key things I'm trying to understand:

- Does HGH at 2iu actually make a meaningful difference for someone already on Reta?

- Is Primo 200mg enough, or should I just skip it and stick to TRT-only until I've lost more weight?

- Is Anavar at low dose (20mg) a sensible add or overkill at this stage?

Any experience or thoughts are very welcome. Happy to answer questions.

---

My Stats / Health background:

- Age: 61 | Male

  • Weight: 227 lbs| 103kg - down from 264lbs mid February
  • Height: ~190cm / 6'3"

- BF%: 26.9%, significant visceral fat, primary target - down from 34%

- eGFR: 60 (CKD Stage 3a, relevant for compound selection)

- ACR: 0.95 mg/mmol (normal)

- BP: 125/73 (controlled on Candesartan + Lercanidipine) - down from 220/135 a year ago

- HbA1c: 33 mmol/mol

- Total cholesterol: 4.1 mmol/L | HDL: 0.95 (low — working on this) | LDL: 2.5

- Testosterone: 300 ng/dL - Free Testosterone: 8.1 ng/dL - which why i have started self managed TRT

- Haematocrit: 47.1% (baseline, pre-TRT)

- VO2 max (Apple Watch): ~26 — improving via daily power walks

- Currently on Atorvastatin — aware of lipid implications of oral compounds

- Retatrutide experience: several months in, dose-escalated to current level

- Comfortable with subQ injection protocol

- Have just done Full bloods (test, E2 sensitive, eGFR, ACR, haematocrit) and planned a re-test in 4-6 weeks
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I lost 80 lbs on Tirzepitide. I ate 1200 calories a day for a year (800 calories was protein) and lifted 6 days a week, cardio zone 2 4 to 5 days a week.. Once I was down to 10-11% I switched to Reta. Tirz is better when you are obese, Reta is great for "cutting". Primo and or Var aren't going to help much when you are at 27%. I lost 80 lbs fat (visceral under 1 lb now) and gained 30 lbs lean tissue over 18 months @61. I credit Tirzepitide.
 

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