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RandomLifter said:
It’s absolutely criminal that a Doctor is prescribing 1 shot every two weeks. Unreal. Literally like 1940’s type medicine. Wow.

OP glad you’re here and enjoy the journey! Stay steadfast and please don’t chase immediate perfection.
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Endocrinologist need to take some seminars or something on this shit. Get up to speed with research or something Same thing happened to me about 10 years ago. Only mine was 100 mg every two weeks. I didn’t know anything at the time . shit, he was shutting off what little I had on my own for the same type of numbers with giant roller coaster. they treat numbers not people they don’t care how you feel as long as you’re above that minimum threshold at testing. needless to say, I got kicked out of the program fairly quickly substitute on my own once they seen the bloods lol.


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RandomLifter said:
It’s absolutely criminal that a Doctor is prescribing 1 shot every two weeks. Unreal. Literally like 1940’s type medicine. Wow.

OP glad you’re here and enjoy the journey! Stay steadfast and please don’t chase immediate perfection.
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Doc's have no clue that they are doing. Yesterday I ran into these two situations:
1- My friend had to get a cortisone shot yesterday. Dr. shot him up and sent him on his way. No Physical Therapy recommendations or anything.
2- One of my clients went to their doctor and nutrition came up when mentioned she works with a PT now. The doc literally said: "it doesn't matter what you eat, processed foods, junk food.. etc.. as long as you work out the body, the body clears out the junk"

what in the actual fuck?!? she asked him for the studies he was claiming and he couldn't provide anything. Such a joke.
 
ResearchRat said:
As for my diet, its pretty much eat protein and around 1200 calories a day due to my glp 1 meds. However, I have been trying to concentrate on protein.
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To me, this looks like you're just guessing at your diet. Which by the way is fine to start with, not knocking you. But if you seriously want to get big weigh everything you eat and shoot for 1g protein for each pound of your ideal weight. You wanna be 200lbs, eat 200g of protein a day. Keep the fats low (50ish g a day) and tweak carbs to meet the rest of your requirements. Food is far more important than test levels.
 
GoBirds1212 said:
Doc's have no clue that they are doing. Yesterday I ran into these two situations:
1- My friend had to get a cortisone shot yesterday. Dr. shot him up and sent him on his way. No Physical Therapy recommendations or anything.
2- One of my clients went to their doctor and nutrition came up when mentioned she works with a PT now. The doc literally said: "it doesn't matter what you eat, processed foods, junk food.. etc.. as long as you work out the body, the body clears out the junk"

what in the actual fuck?!? she asked him for the studies he was claiming and he couldn't provide anything. Such a joke.
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insane lmao. same quack would give you an hour long sermon about how you should be in jail if you aren't getting the yearly covid vax no doubt too
 
Notsurewhat2dowithmyhands said:
To me, this looks like you're just guessing at your diet. Which by the way is fine to start with, not knocking you. But if you seriously want to get big weigh everything you eat and shoot for 1g protein for each pound of your ideal weight. You wanna be 200lbs, eat 200g of protein a day. Keep the fats low (50ish g a day) and tweak carbs to meet the rest of your requirements. Food is far more important than test levels.
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I def understand this. I do try to eat/drink as much protein as possible. Some days 150 other days 200+
 
ResearchRat said:
Serious question. Anybody here that cares to point me in the right direction as to stacking with Test?
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Its gonna take time to get your TRT dialed. Don't stack anything with it. Your first year is probably Going to be dialing in that test dose to find what works best for you. Once you have your baseline, you can add test little by little to figure out how your body responds to higher levels. Learn where you need to start implementing an AI for estrogen control, etc. Then after you've run test only cycles you'll be ready to start adding other compounds. A point could be made for adding a replacement dose of GH (2 or 3 iu) but I'd probably still hold off on that till you get your TRT dialed. Keep everything to one step at a time so you know what is having an effect.
 
ResearchRat said:
First time posting. Just got prescribed Test from my family doctor (shocking). However, the script was 200mg one shot every two weeks. This doesnt seem optimal. I am going to check with an actual clinic. I am wanting to add size also. I dont want to compete or anything but I want to be big. I am completley new to any of this. Any suggestions?
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I'm sure the others chimed in here appropriately...

200mg / 14 days just doesn't make sense. Assuming it was C ester which lasts the longest. Even C should be at longest 1x/week. Ridiculous they'd stretch it out to 14 days.
 
primalsource said:
I'm sure the others chimed in here appropriately...

200mg / 14 days just doesn't make sense. Assuming it was C ester which lasts the longest. Even C should be at longest 1x/week. Ridiculous they'd stretch it out to 14 days.
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Yeah I agree. I am currently doing a 50mg injection every 3-3.5 days.
 
You're going to get hungry with the added test. Which GLP are you on? Might need to tinker with the GLP dosage at about the 1 month mark on test. Just be prepared to accept the hunger as a side effect of the test rather than just the GLP not working as well.

Number 1 diet priority is now protein. I mean, on GLP it was already, but if you're only taking in 1200 cals, you really need to make sure you're getting a gram of protein per pound of your target weight. I prefer target weight others prefer lean mass weight. Regardless, you absolutely gotta hit that protein target daily.

I went about it sort of backwards from you. Lost the weight first (a year worth of keto, ~60#), then TRT clinic test (120mg weekly split into EOD injections), then added a GLP (reta) to give me better appetite control. The reta has been so-so for appetite. Food noise is down pretty good. Glucagon is kicking because my RHR has gone up about 10 beats over the last 3 weeks.

Did your doc schedule follow up labs? Typically you'll run those 3-4 months post initiation of TRT to determine if the dose needs to be adjusted. If they did not, i suggest you get them on your own to see where everything has moved.
 
Notsurewhat2dowithmyhands said:
Its gonna take time to get your TRT dialed. Don't stack anything with it. Your first year is probably Going to be dialing in that test dose to find what works best for you. Once you have your baseline, you can add test little by little to figure out how your body responds to higher levels. Learn where you need to start implementing an AI for estrogen control, etc. Then after you've run test only cycles you'll be ready to start adding other compounds. A point could be made for adding a replacement dose of GH (2 or 3 iu) but I'd probably still hold off on that till you get your TRT dialed. Keep everything to one step at a time so you know what is having an effect.
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Agree with above. Dial in lifestyle, develop strong habits again. Develop your lifting routine, workout days, cardio days, adequate rest & recovery, along with the diet.

Focus, but don't become too self absorbed while you dial in. Remember to make time for your spouse, kids, etc.
Don't be a dick - eat birthday cake if your family gives you cake for your birthday.
No one at home or work wants to hear about your workouts and gains. Post that stuff here. That's what we're here for.

Congratulations on your commitment to re-start the journey. You're going to be rockin' it before long.
 
You guys/gals are legit amazing. My biggest hurdle is eating on the glp-1.(mounjaro) I would cut back but my diabetes control is my first priority. It’s under control now and I want to keep it that way. I tried Reta and it wasn’t controlling my sugar enough. Granted I only worked up to a 4mg dose.
 
Maybe I overlooked it, but how tall are you and how much do to weigh? 1200 calories a day, you've gotta be, how can I put this, petite. Someone mentioned if you want to be 200 pounds you have to eat 200 grams of protein. If only it were that easy. You need a good amount of carbs and a healthy amount of fats also. But being diabetic, you have a few hurdles to overcome. Good news is, you may already be on and have a good understanding on how to leverage insulin.
Split that dose up, eat more and enjoy the ride. You'll gain by upping your calories alone. I got hungry just thinking about a 1200 calorie day. That's breakfast for me.
 
UpTown said:
Maybe I overlooked it, but how tall are you and how much do to weigh? 1200 calories a day, you've gotta be, how can I put this, petite. Someone mentioned if you want to be 200 pounds you have to eat 200 grams of protein. If only it were that easy. You need a good amount of carbs and a healthy amount of fats also. But being diabetic, you have a few hurdles to overcome. Good news is, you may already be on and have a good understanding on how to leverage insulin.
Split that dose up, eat more and enjoy the ride. You'll gain by upping your calories alone. I got hungry just thinking about a 1200 calorie day. That's breakfast for me.
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I dont consider myself petite...lol I am 5'8" and weigh 225-230
 
5'8 225, you're solid. 1200 calories is your biggest hurdle then. If you can find a way to eat through your glp 1 you're good.
 
UpTown said:
5'8 225, you're solid. 1200 calories is your biggest hurdle then. If you can find a way to eat through your glp 1 you're good.
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I agree. The glp 1 has been a game changer for my diabetes. I have even looked at maybe starting insulin and doing away with the glp 1 but dont know...lol I miss being able to eat...lol
 
  • You don't need much GLP-1 to get the benefit with insulin sensitivity. Consider tapering down until you find some appetite.
  • Consider EAA supplementation every day, plus pre/post workout. Your body is converting proteins into EAAs to then rebuilding into muscle. Just skip forward to the EAAs to get muscle food while conserving calories. Its not a substitute for protein, but better than too much whey IMO.
  • I found wheat and corn were tough on my body, pushed inflammation, and fat. Cut both down to almost nothing. Get slow carbs from other sources. Veggies, sweet potatoes, etc. USA grains have been hybridized to make them superior crops, but it turned them into reactive foods less kind to the body. I didn't believe that shit until I stopped eating them. Hmm, maybe the nutters have a point...
  • Consider metformin. Its a diabetes drug, helps blood lipids, and is suppose to help with longevity. Although it turns off mTOR making it harder to build muscle, you said diabetes improvement is a priority. You'll still add muscle despite the minor anabolic 'brake' from Metformin.
 
Whon068 said:
  • You don't need much GLP-1 to get the benefit with insulin sensitivity. Consider tapering down until you find some appetite.
  • Consider EAA supplementation every day, plus pre/post workout. Your body is converting proteins into EAAs to then rebuilding into muscle. Just skip forward to the EAAs to get muscle food while conserving calories. Its not a substitute for protein, but better than too much whey IMO.
  • I found wheat and corn were tough on my body, pushed inflammation, and fat. Cut both down to almost nothing. Get slow carbs from other sources. Veggies, sweet potatoes, etc. USA grains have been hybridized to make them superior crops, but it turned them into reactive foods less kind to the body. I didn't believe that shit until I stopped eating them. Hmm, maybe the nutters have a point...
  • Consider metformin. Its a diabetes drug, helps blood lipids, and is suppose to help with longevity. Although it turns off mTOR making it harder to build muscle, you said diabetes improvement is a priority. You'll still add muscle despite the minor anabolic 'brake' from Metformin.
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I have been on Metformin in the past and it did nothing for my diabetes. I guess the reason I like the glp-1 is it took my A1C from 14.2 down to 6.4 now. Still not perfect but its getting there. Also the reason I have to go every 4 weeks to get injections in my eyes. Diabetic Macular Degeneration.
 
ResearchRat said:
I have been on Metformin in the past and it did nothing for my diabetes. I guess the reason I like the glp-1 is it took my A1C from 14.2 down to 6.4 now. Still not perfect but its getting there. Also the reason I have to go every 4 weeks to get injections in my eyes. Diabetic Macular Degeneration.
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Sorry to hear about the eyesight. Good on you for working on this. We can all move the needle to improve.
 

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