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166 E2 First Cycle

garrett891

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Going into week 7 of 500 test cyp and 400 Tren E. Blood is the following

Test: 2820
Free: 1145
SHGB: 5.9
E2: 166

Just introduced 1.5-2.0 mg/week of Armidex to work it down. Any other advice? Where should I be sitting to keep running this stack? Should I consider scaling the ratio down. I obviously aromatize like a mf…
 
Going into week 7 of 500 test cyp and 400 Tren E. Blood is the following

Test: 2820
Free: 1145
SHGB: 5.9
E2: 166

Just introduced 1.5-2.0 mg/week of Armidex to work it down. Any other advice? Where should I be sitting to keep running this stack? Should I consider scaling the ratio down. I obviously aromatize like a mf…
Whats prolactin at? Progesterone? Were you on any AI protocol at all before the anastrazole or just lettin it ride? 2 mg of anastrazole is ALOT for 500 test my bet is youre gonna crash e2
 
Going into week 7 of 500 test cyp and 400 Tren E. Blood is the following

Test: 2820
Free: 1145
SHGB: 5.9
E2: 166

Just introduced 1.5-2.0 mg/week of Armidex to work it down. Any other advice? Where should I be sitting to keep running this stack? Should I consider scaling the ratio down. I obviously aromatize like a mf…

Whats prolactin at? Progesterone? Were you on any AI protocol at all before the anastrazole or just lettin it ride? 2 mg of anastrazole is ALOT for 500 test my bet is youre gonna crash e2
I was just letting it ride. Haven’t tested blood for the others you mentioned. I pin Monday and Thursday so took .75 AI with each pin. Will have it redrawn Friday. What’s also a lot for 500 test is aromatizing to 166 E2 imo
 
I was just letting it ride. Haven’t tested blood for the others you mentioned. I pin Monday and Thursday so took .75 AI with each pin. Will have it redrawn Friday. What’s also a lot for 500 test is aromatizing to 166 E2 imo
That depends on your baseline e2 but yes you are are a heavy aromatiser. What was it on pre cycle bloodwork? Youre running almost a half gram of a potent progestogenic 19nor you absolutely need to be checking prolactin and progesterone it's as important as estrogen on the cycle you chose. No disrespect but youre ill prepared for a large cycle especially running tren, not having an AI protocol in place and not pulling the right bloodwork. Being ill prepared and running that much test and tren with no estrogen or prolactin control is how you end up with lactating full C's, a crushed libido, and crying in the corner about the movie you just watched. Pay for the correct bloodwork and have the ancillaries you need or might need, get some caber to have on hand in case. Or dont take my advice you can always get gyno surgery later
 
You're running 400mg of tren and don't know what range your E2 and/or prolactin levels should be in?
I was just letting it ride. Haven’t tested blood for the others you mentioned. I pin Monday and Thursday so took .75 AI with each pin. Will have it redrawn Friday. What’s also a lot for 500 test is aromatizing to 166 E2 imo
This man speaks you listen...thats the way you keep from fucking yourself up. Mouth shut ears and eyes open. Youre already up shits creek IMO but theres always a way out if you listen to good advice and Ketchup is the one to listen to.
 
I would have started with about .5mg 2x a week. Then retested. Swinging the pendulum from very high to very low makes it tougher to find a stable dose.
 
That depends on your baseline e2 but yes you are are a heavy aromatiser. What was it on pre cycle bloodwork? Youre running almost a half gram of a potent progestogenic 19nor you absolutely need to be checking prolactin and progesterone it's as important as estrogen on the cycle you chose. No disrespect but youre ill prepared for a large cycle especially running tren, not having an AI protocol in place and not pulling the right bloodwork. Being ill prepared and running that much test and tren with no estrogen or prolactin control is how you end up with lactating full C's, a crushed libido, and crying in the corner about the movie you just watched. Pay for the correct bloodwork and have the ancillaries you need or might need, get some caber to have on hand in case. Or dont take my advice you can always get gyno surgery later
I have Armidex and Caber. Haven’t taken any caber yet. But yeah will have the E2 and Prolactin tested tomorrow and then go from there I guess. What is the guidance for caber? I’ve already began working the E2 down as I’ve stated and feel loads better. Will address the prolactin next. I would assume it’s also a bit high. Have no libido or ED symptoms at all btw

Thanks in advance for the advice, fr
 
I have Armidex and Caber. Haven’t taken any caber yet. But yeah will have the E2 and Prolactin tested tomorrow and then go from there I guess. What is the guidance for caber? I’ve already began working the E2 down as I’ve stated and feel loads better. Will address the prolactin next. I would assume it’s also a bit high. Have no libido or ED symptoms at all btw

Thanks in advance for the advice, fr
Good! Guidance is DONT take it unless you need it. IF you need it .25-.5mg once weekly tweaking it based on blood results...There isnt a set in stone guideline for prolactin, progesterone or estrogen control it has to be determined by bloodwork. Glad to hear you have what you might need on hand. Very suprised you arent having ED issues but everybody is different. How's your mental? Id be haywire with E2 that high. When you get bloods tomorrow have them pull progesterone as well. IMO you're already moving in the right direction just dont overcorrect. I saw youre account is brand new, youre in the right place these guys on this forum might come off as assholes (100% me included) but most if not all genuinely care and are very knowledgeable. Some are among the best in the business. Its Good to have you here.
 
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Good! Guidance is DONT take it unless you need it. IF you need it .25-.5mg once weekly tweaking it based on blood results...There isnt a set in stone guideline for prolactin, progesterone or estrogen control it has to be determined by bloodwork. Glad to hear you have what you might need on hand. Very suprised you arent having ED issues but everybody is different. How's your mental? Id be haywire with E2 that high. When you get bloods tomorrow have them pull progesterone as well. IMO you're already moving in the right direction just dont overcorrect. I saw youre account is brand new, youre in the right place these guys on this forum might come off as assholes (100% me included) but most if not all genuinely care and are very knowledgeable. Some are among the best in the business. It’s Good to have you here.
The mental sucked ass — brain fog like crazy but more so major fatigue. I would eat my meals (could only stomach tiny amounts) then pass tf out. But still wanted to bone everything that moved lol. Since I’ve been working the E2 down this week most of that has gone away. So yeah, will pull E2 and Prolactin tomorrow and then reevaluate. And for sure, I don’t mind a wake up call from experienced users and appreciate the direction. I wasn’t going to freak out, just address one variable at a time while maintaining my same pinning dosages and frequency. In terms of the cycle itself, I was expecting to blow up on the Tren but it’s not really like that for me. I don’t really see absurd gains per se. I ran the test for the first 4 weeks then introduced the Tren so technically, being week 7, I’ve only been on the Tren for 3 weeks. I hear the Tren E maybe takes a bit longer to kick/show. But yeah, will proceed as usual
 
The mental sucked ass — brain fog like crazy but more so major fatigue. I would eat my meals (could only stomach tiny amounts) then pass tf out. But still wanted to bone everything that moved lol. Since I’ve been working the E2 down this week most of that has gone away. So yeah, will pull E2 and Prolactin tomorrow and then reevaluate. And for sure, I don’t mind a wake up call from experienced users and appreciate the direction. I wasn’t going to freak out, just address one variable at a time while maintaining my same pinning dosages and frequency. In terms of the cycle itself, I was expecting to blow up on the Tren but it’s not really like that for me. I don’t really see absurd gains per se. I ran the test for the first 4 weeks then introduced the Tren so technically, being week 7, I’ve only been on the Tren for 3 weeks. I hear the Tren E maybe takes a bit longer to kick/show. But yeah, will proceed as usual
Tren slows digestion and gastric emptying. Makes me feel full faster and longer. Thats why I only use it on a cut. You said 3 weeks so youre about saturated now. Could be 3-4 weeks. As far as your E2 what Oakley said was spot on. Tren will skew estrogen levels on a non ultra sensitive test making it look like your e2 is higher than it is. Id chill on the AI till you get tomorrow's bloodwork back, especially since you have no symptoms...dont want to crash it. and make sure you order Ultra sensitive e2.
 
Going into week 7 of 500 test cyp and 400 Tren E. Blood is the following

Test: 2820
Free: 1145
SHGB: 5.9
E2: 166

Just introduced 1.5-2.0 mg/week of Armidex to work it down. Any other advice? Where should I be sitting to keep running this stack? Should I consider scaling the ratio down. I obviously aromatize like a mf…
Why do you not know the answer to this question? Absolute moron
 
Why do you not know the answer to this question? Absolute moron
How could I know the precise dosage I need to take out of my ass? Bloodwork —> if high then take a consistent dose of AI (I chose 1.5mg) —> retest. That’s all one can do.
 
You're running 400mg of tren and don't know what range your E2 and/or prolactin levels should be in?
Is this some kind of trick question? The normal range to slightly high, obviously. Tells you what the normal human range is on the results of the test man.
 
You need to get an ultrasensitice e2 reading. Tren is throwing off your labwork

Normal e2 range is between 20-40
 
How could I know the precise dosage I need to take out of my ass? Bloodwork —> if high then take a consistent dose of AI (I chose 1.5mg) —> retest. That’s all one can do.
Because you didn't learn how your body reacts to the compound before you jumped into a large dose. Specifically for the tren. 500 test can be jumped into with minimal consequences. I don't agree with calling you a moron but planning ahead for a cycle is very important.

Additionally, doesn't sound like you researched the trends in changes to bloodwork caused by the compound. To mitigate risk, this is a requirement for me before even thinking about trying a compound.
 
How could I know the precise dosage I need to take out of my ass? Bloodwork —> if high then take a consistent dose of AI (I chose 1.5mg) —> retest. That’s all one can do.
Like I said, you’re a moron
 

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