Help dialing in my estrogen!!

[Bigbadwolf04]

So came off cycle and hopped on cruise 200 mg test with 12.5 mg aromasin twice a week. Got tested month later e2 was 63. Dropped dose to 180 mgs a week and kept ai at same dose twice a week. Dripped e2 to 30. Now not sure where to go from here. Not sure how healthy it is to be on ai for an extended time. When my e2 was 60 I did have slight puffy nips.

Should I continue the dose? Lower the dose to 6.25? I feel like im feeling smaller as well. Like my muscles aren't as full and don't get a pump as well

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Vision]

So came off cycle and hopped on cruise 200 mg test with 12.5 mg aromasin twice a week. Got tested month later e2 was 63. Dropped dose to 180 mgs a week and kept ai at same dose twice a week. Dripped e2 to 30. Now not sure where to go from here. Not sure how healthy it is to be on ai for an extended time. When my e2 was 60 I did have slight puffy nips.

Should I continue the dose? Lower the dose to 6.25? I feel like im feeling smaller as well. Like my muscles aren't as full and don't get a pump as well

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Blood work will always be all over the place, it's nothing but a snapshot of what's possibly going on, and things can change at any given..
What is your diet like?
It's hard for anyone to say anything without knowing any prior blood work that you have had done before besides these, really nothing to compare it to.
Those changes aren't that crazy and it is to be expected if you're tampering your dosage.
And it's part of the territory to not feel as full. Try not to let that bother you too much as your deloating right now and taking a break.
There's plenty of time to get that back.

But in the meantime you can maybe work on something with your intra workout.. 6g BCAA, with 30g Gatorade powder and a few cranks of white sea salt..

Also don't shy away from adding any pink Himalayan salt with all of your meals. This may help a little bit as well.
And you can always take some Cialis EOD..
This will all be superficial and for the pump, but it works and it'll make you feel better.

But the real question with all of this besides numbers and chasing numbers, how do you feel?
If you're libido is okay and you feel okay that's all that matters.
The fluctuations and the loss is to be expected in some areas just remember that.

 

[Bigbadwolf04]

Blood work will always be all over the place, it's nothing but a snapshot of what's possibly going on, and things can change at any given..
What is your diet like?
It's hard for anyone to say anything without knowing any prior blood work that you have had done before besides these, really nothing to compare it to.
Those changes aren't that crazy and it is to be expected if you're tampering your dosage.
And it's part of the territory to not feel as full. Try not to let that bother you too much as your deloating right now and taking a break.
There's plenty of time to get that back.

But in the meantime you can maybe work on something with your intra workout.. 6g BCAA, with 30g Gatorade powder and a few cranks of white sea salt..

Also don't shy away from adding any pink Himalayan salt with all of your meals. This may help a little bit as well.
And you can always take some Cialis EOD..
This will all be superficial and for the pump, but it works and it'll make you feel better.

But the real question with all of this besides numbers and chasing numbers, how do you feel?
If you're libido is okay and you feel okay that's all that matters.
The fluctuations and the loss is to be expected in some areas just remember that.

Thanks man lots of good advice. Feel good. Feel slight cracking in my bones. I'm just worried about lipids of I use aromasin year round.

 

[rawbuilt]

why do you even need an AI on such low dosages of test...

are you super sensitive to estrogen and experiencing negative side effects without using an AI?

dont get fixated on having your e2 at specific number on your bloodwork it doesnt matter tbh... as long as you feel good/normal thats all that matters

also its all about the ratios if your test levels are high you want your estro a bit higher than normal to help balance out the ratio

i personally never use AIs even during blast cycles my estrogen goes up too the 100s and i still feel perfectly fine with no negative side effects

 

[MonsterMaker]

why do you even need an AI on such low dosages of test...

are you super sensitive to estrogen and experiencing negative side effects without using an AI?

dont get fixated on having your e2 at specific number on your bloodwork it doesnt matter tbh... as long as you feel good/normal thats all that matters

also its all about the ratios if your test levels are high you want your estro a bit higher than normal to help balance out the ratio

i personally never use AIs even during blast cycles my estrogen goes up too the 100s and i still feel perfectly fine with no negative side effects

He mentioned he had puffy nips at 60 E2

 

[Bigbadwolf04]

Just puffy nips and slight bloat

 

[rawbuilt]

Just puffy nips and slight bloat

i would still drop the AI for a couple weeks and see how you feel and increase your injection frequency that will make a really big difference in your aromatization...

make sure your diet/hydration is on point cause that can easily cause bloat problems

AIs are terrible for your health bro and being on them all time is gonna destroy your lipids i would seriously give it shot

i got a bit bloated at first too in the first initial spike of estrogen but eventually my body stabilized and went back to normal without using any AIs or lowering the dose and now i can push high test without any estrogen sides i also inject 3x a week so my hormones are always steady keeping aromatization levels low

 

[Phill]

E2 at 30 is good, at the high limit.
At 60 he is already high and on top of that you also have side like puffy nipples.


but you didn't tell us anything about the timing and the products used.
how long have you been cruising at 200 mg test? what did you use before? at what dose? how long?
this information is used to understand what to do with the ai, but in any case you will have to stay at fixed dosages for 5 weeks and then redo the blood tests to know for sure what to do




About the fact that you feel smaller, this does not surprise me, and it does not depend on estro.
I don't know what you took and what dosages for your blast, but now you are on a cruise and want to feel like on blast.
Well, forget about this, you can't expect to turn off the drugs and feel like you're still on

 

[Bigbadwolf04]

E2 at 30 is good, at the high limit.
At 60 he is already high and on top of that you also have side like puffy nipples.


but you didn't tell us anything about the timing and the products used.
how long have you been cruising at 200 mg test? what did you use before? at what dose? how long?
this information is used to understand what to do with the ai, but in any case you will have to stay at fixed dosages for 5 weeks and then redo the blood tests to know for sure what to do




About the fact that you feel smaller, this does not surprise me, and it does not depend on estro.
I don't know what you took and what dosages for your blast, but now you are on a cruise and want to feel like on blast.
Well, forget about this, you can't expect to turn off the drugs and feel like you're still on

Previous blast was just 300 test and npp 300 and anavar 25 mg a day cycle length was 12 weeks. Been cruising now for about 2 months

 

[Pcushion]

So came off cycle and hopped on cruise 200 mg test with 12.5 mg aromasin twice a week. Got tested month later e2 was 63. Dropped dose to 180 mgs a week and kept ai at same dose twice a week. Dripped e2 to 30. Now not sure where to go from here. Not sure how healthy it is to be on ai for an extended time. When my e2 was 60 I did have slight puffy nips.

Should I continue the dose? Lower the dose to 6.25? I feel like im feeling smaller as well. Like my muscles aren't as full and don't get a pump as well

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You always have the option to drop the AI and run torem or nolva instead. This eliminates your E2 up and downs and is much more user friendly. It’s also much better on your lipids. Just my take man. I dropped the AI years back and solely used torem.

 

[Bigbadwolf04]

What should the plan be. Start injecting 3x a week and lower my ai dose? Then get bloods again in a few weeks.

 

[Lifeguardkliff]

What should the plan be. Start injecting 3x a week and lower my ai dose? Then get bloods again in a few weeks.

That’s a good start. I honestly inject every day with a slin pin, I’m currently on 400npp 600 test pp and take 12.5 Mg aromasin a week and I’m not getting any high estrogen sides in fact I feel great

 

[Bigbadwolf04]

That’s a good start. I honestly inject every day with a slin pin, I’m currently on 400npp 600 test pp and take 12.5 Mg aromasin a week and I’m not getting any high estrogen sides in fact I feel great

So I pinned 100 mg on Monday. Should I try to split the rest Wed and Friday and just pin again Thurs and start 3x a week next week?

And what you think 6.25 mg twice a week to start and see how it goes from there?

 

[Lifeguardkliff]

So I pinned 100 mg on Monday. Should I try to split the rest Wed and Friday and just pin again Thurs and start 3x a week next week?

And what you think 6.25 mg twice a week to start and see how it goes from there?

That would work fine it’s not gonna make your levels fluctuate drastically so your not going to see any adverse side effects. I stick to 12.5 because it’s easier to split a pill in half my suggestion would be to take 12.5 Monday and 1.5 Thursday or Friday since you pin Friday

 

[Bigbadwolf04]

That would work fine it’s not gonna make your levels fluctuate drastically so your not going to see any adverse side effects. I stick to 12.5 because it’s easier to split a pill in half my suggestion would be to take 12.5 Monday and 1.5 Thursday or Friday since you pin Friday

Thanks man. What you mean 1.5? 1.5 mg of aromasin?

 

[wesley_swolle]

Thanks man. What you mean 1.5? 1.5 mg of aromasin?

Most likely he meant 12.5 mg, 1.5mg is a typo

 

[FM19]

If its just puffy nips the reason for an AI, then look into SERMs. There's actually several benefits from having higher estrogen. Personally, I feel better when mine is on the higher side. I've crashed mine a few times and felt horrible. If it is too high, I get back acne and then I need to address with an AI. I haven't ever had any libido issues, which is another good reason to run an AI. Otherwise, if it is gyno related, I use a SERM. My 0.02.

 

[Lifeguardkliff]

Most likely he meant 12.5 mg, 1.5mg is a typo

Yes it was a typo