First cycle help

[Evola]

Good morning. I’m new to the board and looking for some advice.
I’m a 59-year-old white male weighing 200 lbs. I’ve been on HRT for the past 15 years and am currently running 200 mg of testosterone per week, pinning 15 IU every day. I get my blood checked every three months, and right now everything is in the normal range.
My goal is to build more size in my chest, biceps, triceps, traps, and glutes. I’m thinking about running a cycle with Deca (Nandrolone), Dianabol, and Testosterone, and I have a couple of questions for the group:

• How much and how long should I run each of these compounds?
• Since I am on HRT and will be on testosterone indefinitely, I don't need to run PCT—is that correct?

Thanks in advance for any insight and advice.

 

[Nood]

First cycle, bump the test to 400-500mg a week and forget everything else. This alone will give you great results as long as your program is dialed in. At 59 I definitely wouldn’t run D-bol.

No PCT is not necessary since your on trt

 

[Evola]

How long should I run the test only cycle of 400 MG‘s a week and should I pin daliey biweekly or weekly? And how long does it take it to kick in once I start?

 

[Nood]

Can pin twice a week, run it for 12 weeks. Pull bloods at week 5-6 to see how your body is responding and to check estrogen levels. Add in or adjust AI as necessary.

 

[Evola]

Nood, thanks for taking the time to answer my question and I’m gonna follow your protocol and I’m assuming I should hold off on adjusting my AI until after bloodwork?

Right now. I am dosing 200 mg of testosterone a week and taking 1/8 of an AI tablet every 48 hours.

 

[Machforce1]

Good morning. I’m new to the board and looking for some advice.
I’m a 59-year-old white male weighing 200 lbs. I’ve been on HRT for the past 15 years and am currently running 200 mg of testosterone per week, pinning 15 IU every day. I get my blood checked every three months, and right now everything is in the normal range.
My goal is to build more size in my chest, biceps, triceps, traps, and glutes. I’m thinking about running a cycle with Deca (Nandrolone), Dianabol, and Testosterone, and I have a couple of questions for the group:

• How much and how long should I run each of these compounds?
• Since I am on HRT and will be on testosterone indefinitely, I don't need to run PCT—is that correct?

Thanks in advance for any insight and advice.

Curious…you mentioned that you’ve been on TRT for 15 years. Have you been training consistently over those same 15 years? If so, how has your progress been?

I have to echo what Nood suggested. Just bump the test up and leave everything else alone. At 59, I wouldn’t consider anything but test, GH and maybe some Primo or Mast. Leave all the other toxic shit alone and your older, healthier self will thank you later.

 

[Nood]

Typically yes but you’ve been on trt for a while so should have a good idea on what high estrogen feels like. Stick with a protocol before bloods so you’ll know how to adjust after bloodwork comes back. For 4-500mg may need to bump your dose up slightly

 

[Evola]

Curious…you mentioned that you’ve been on TRT for 15 years. Have you been training consistently over those same 15 years? If so, how has your progress been?

I have to echo what Nood suggested. Just bump the test up and leave everything else alone. At 59, I wouldn’t consider anything but test, GH and maybe some Primo or Mast. Leave all the other toxic shit alone and your older, healthier self will thank you later.

Thanks for asking. Yes, I’ve been training consistently over those 15 years, and I had a lot of success early on. Once I got my estrogen dialed in, I packed on a solid amount of muscle and dropped a ton of body fat.
Right now, I’m sitting around 200 lbs, though I actually lost about 20 lbs over the last 10 weeks. I had to temporarily drop my dose from 27 IU a day down to 15 IU a day to prepare for a medical procedure I just had done. When I lowered the dose, my muscles flattened out quickly and I dropped a lot of weight. I realized afterward that lowering my testosterone caused my muscles to hold much less glycogen and intramuscular water.
Now that my procedure is behind me, that’s the main reason I’m bringing my dosage back up to fill back out. Once I get back to where I want to be, my plan is to settle into a steady maintenance range around 250–300 mg per week.

 

[Glycomann]

Thanks for asking. Yes, I’ve been training consistently over those 15 years, and I had a lot of success early on. Once I got my estrogen dialed in, I packed on a solid amount of muscle and dropped a ton of body fat.
Right now, I’m sitting around 200 lbs, though I actually lost about 20 lbs over the last 10 weeks. I had to temporarily drop my dose from 27 IU a day down to 15 IU a day to prepare for a medical procedure I just had done. When I lowered the dose, my muscles flattened out quickly and I dropped a lot of weight. I realized afterward that lowering my testosterone caused my muscles to hold much less glycogen and intramuscular water.
Now that my procedure is behind me, that’s the main reason I’m bringing my dosage back up to fill back out. Once I get back to where I want to be, my plan is to settle into a steady maintenance range around 250–300 mg per week.

27 iu a day on a standard insulin pin is about 54 mg a day so you are already doing 380 mg/w. I am 65 so closer to your age than most guys making suggestions. What I have settled on when I feel the need to up the anabolism is one of the two following protocols:

300 mg/w test E/C
225 mg/w Primo
100 mg/w deca

or

300 mg/w test E/C
300 mg/w masteron E
100 mg/w deca

No need for AI either. I usually have 1.5 iu GH EOD along with. I'll run that for 2-4 months and then take 3 weeks off to let things run down. Then back to TRT 120 - 150 mg/w.

 

[Evola]

GLycomann, sounds like you’ve done your homework and have been at this a while. I’ve never tried anything other than test, and I’m not sure if my TRT clinic would even prescribe those other medications. What has been your experience?

 

[balin]

What is the plan for your diet?

 

[Glycomann]

GLycomann, sounds like you’ve done your homework and have been at this a while. I’ve never tried anything other than test, and I’m not sure if my TRT clinic would even prescribe those other medications. What has been your experience?

No they won't. You are on your own there.

 

[Machforce1]

27 iu a day on a standard insulin pin is about 54 mg a day so you are already doing 380 mg/w. I am 65 so closer to your age than most guys making suggestions. What I have settled on when I feel the need to up the anabolism is one of the two following protocols:

300 mg/w test E/C
225 mg/w Primo
100 mg/w deca

or

300 mg/w test E/C
300 mg/w masteron E
100 mg/w deca

No need for AI either. I usually have 1.5 iu GH EOD along with. I'll run that for 2-4 months and then take 3 weeks off to let things run down. Then back to TRT 120 - 150 mg/w.

Listen to this guy ^^^. Knows what he’s talking about and has decades of experience in this realm.

 

[soumikr]

Stepping up test to around four hundred milligrams made a massive difference for my chest and arms.

 

[Evola]

Stepping up test to around four hundred milligrams made a massive difference for my chest and arms.

Thanks for the reply. That’s my plan. I started the 13th of this month and I’m hoping to see results in about four weeks. I was very large and quite satisfied where I was at, but I cut my injections from 400 mg a week down to 200 and it’s like my muscles flattened out over 6–8 week window. But the little bit of research I’ve done says muscle memory will bounce back as soon as test is restored, but thanks for your reply.