Testosterone >1600....Anyone on Gear experience exhausting Fatigue?

[OlePhart]

100 acetate or 200 enanthate is plenty.

It was ace. I won't touch it again.

 

[Bigdaddyjak]

100 acetate or 200 enanthate is plenty.

Even less than 100 for some !

 

[OlePhart]

Even less than 100 for some !

I've heard a few times that 70 a week at 10 a day is very tolerable but after my initial experience with it I'm extremely hesitant to even try that. I don't think I really need it anyway so. My curiosity was satisfied.

 

[Syntha Claus]

I've heard a few times that 70 a week at 10 a day is very tolerable but after my initial experience with it I'm extremely hesitant to even try that. I don't think I really need it anyway so. My curiosity was satisfied.

You are right, you don't need it. Most people don't. It is funny how the guys who have decades of experience with steroids will advise most people against using trenbolone except under certain conditions, yet it is still almost the first "go to" for 90% of people new to gear.

Again, my motorcycle reference:
"I just got my motorcycle license. I am going to use a bike to ride to and from work. What do you guys think about the R1 or GSXR 1000?"

 

[OlePhart]

You are right, you don't need it. Most people don't. It is funny how the guys who have decades of experience with steroids will advise most people against using trenbolone except under certain conditions, yet it is still almost the first "go to" for 90% of people new to gear.

Again, my motorcycle reference:
"I just got my motorcycle license. I am going to use a bike to ride to and from work. What do you guys think about the R1 or GSXR 1000?"

I agree. Overkill.

 

[BigKevK]

I understand and that sucks but I hear you and will most likely not restart... I just need to find someone that I can sell or give my gear to.

Let me know what you are getting rid of as I am currently looking to pick up some odds and ends.

 

[Dbur525]

Test C 10mg...how much ml daily and for how long approximately?

I would drop test C and start using test P EOD you will feel like a teenager again

 

[krazyk]

To Zum, first off cancer sucks. Im 63 dealing with Stage 4. As others have suggested, you need a full reset on your exogenous hormone additions. You will not shrivel up into oblivion if you keep hard at it in the gym. Also consider that plain old fatigue is a classic symptom of cancer, so who knows? Once you have a full body PET and a plan to deal with whatever, however, you can go from there.

 

[Z_daddy]

To Zum, first off cancer sucks. Im 63 dealing with Stage 4. As others have suggested, you need a full reset on your exogenous hormone additions. You will not shrivel up into oblivion if you keep hard at it in the gym. Also consider that plain old fatigue is a classic symptom of cancer, so who knows? Once you have a full body PET and a plan to deal with whatever, however, you can go from there.

Appreciate it. My cancer came back at a Gleason 6 level... I changed urologists... after my 2nd opinion. My doctor said we will do ""Active Surveillance"" which basically means we watch it MRI's and Biopsies 2x a year for the next 3 years... if it doesn't grow or no changes I can freeze it and will most likely be gone but also I will most likely die in my 90's not from the cancer but with it.

I stopped all my gear a while ago now my fatigue is gone it was probably due to hitting the Tren and Test to heavy so I did a deep clean and stopped everything. I'm on a gain now.. up 8lbs from Mid September that's a lot for me since I'm only 5'1" and was 157lbs and this morning I was 155lbs. Eating a lot of protein and carbs too along with my veggies but I want to bulk so I can cut in January and lean out for our vacation in March. If all goes well that is with cutting...lol.

 

[tommygunz]

@Zumbadaddy

Not making fun of you at all bro, but I can't even imagine zumba on tren lol

 

[Z_daddy]

@Zumbadaddy

Not making fun of you at all bro, but I can't even imagine zumba on tren lol

No offense taken... I love the size Tren gave me... whether it was from Tren or Test or Primo... last year I was "drinking" a big cocktail...lol. No more but I still love my size and the compliments. And the ladies in my class are awesome.. and the best part of course is my hot wife.

 

[Z_daddy]

To be 100% highest, I’m going to Quest in 30 minute to get my testosterone levels checked for the very first time ever. I’m not sure how long it takes to effect bloodwork considering you’ve been on a long ester of test enan and tren enan. I would be guessing. I’m sure there are guys here who have done enough bloodwork on their test levels to give you a pretty accurate estimate.

How were your blood work results?

 

[Z_daddy]

GH has made a huge difference in sleep for me . Tren will make u fatigue for sure , maybe not immediately, but eventually!

Started GH about a week ago... started sleeping better but I didn't think it was from the GH until reading this.

 

[Meetketchup]

At 62, cycling for 5 years and using tren.

Low dose test and gh. That's all you need my man. Why put yourself at risk? You're not competing and can keep a great look just on that. Health first. Always.

 

[codem]

I got bad fatigue after being on test and tren too long. Too much toxicity! It catches up with you!

I’d drop down to true TRT, 10mg test cyp daily subQ is the best way to get higher free testosterone and lower estrogen conversion, according to a big thread by an old IFBB PRO on professionalmuscle.

10mg test chp daily as in 70mg/week?

 

[FearsomeCOR]

10mg test chp daily as in 70mg/week?

Yes that’s what he means. It’s a thread by Emeric. Not saying I agree or disagree with the approach, but that is what he’s referring to.

 

[codem]

Yes that’s what he means. It’s a thread by Emeric. Not saying I agree or disagree with the approach, but that is what he’s referring to.

Im wondering realistically what someone’s test levels would be at 70mg/week, around 600?

 

[FearsomeCOR]

Im wondering realistically what someone’s test levels would be at 70mg/week, around 600?

You can go check out the thread and I’m sure the variance is all over the place

 

[codem]

You can go check out the thread and I’m sure the variance is all over the place

There has to be better ways to increase your free test without microdosing test though, I was able to get 35% free test on yk11. 1255 total 438 free

 

[FearsomeCOR]

There has to be better ways to increase your free test without microdosing test though, I was able to get 35% free test on yk11. 1255 total 438 free

Well yeah can increase free test just by increasing testosterone dose as that’ll lower SHGB. There’s a lot of reasonings behind the low dose of testosterone iirc that are attempting to achieve other goals iirc alongside precise supplementation alongside. Not exactly something I’m interested in so can’t recall details. I know @GYMnTONIC is friends with Emeric so he may know more details for you.

 

[JJB1]

10mg test chp daily as in 70mg/week?

Not sure when I posted that but I lied. Yes, 10mg test cyp subQ is popular with a TRT group on another forum. I started gear again a month ago. I’m doing 16mg test prop intramuscularly daily. After 3 weeks on test prop my bloodwork shows my total testosterone went from 9 to 1,304.
SEPTEMBER BLOODWORK:

DECEMBER BLOODWORK:

My IGF1 doubled from 75 to 150.
My estrogen went crazy from 5 to 94.
I took 12.5 encomiphene yesterday and today because it’s the only thing I have to possibly bring estrogen down, other than masteron, but I don’t want to add another AAS yet due to fear of pushing my AAS dose higher and higher like I always do.
I FEAR IT WILL INCREASE INFLAMMATION AROUND MY SPINAL NERVES. I’m still a mess with severe spinal issues and possible A.L.S.. I’m lifting weights 3 days a week again due to trying to overcome the depression of my situation.

 

[FearsomeCOR]

I took 12.5 encomiphene yesterday and today because it’s the only thing I have to possibly bring estrogen down

I’m gonna assume you mean aromasin?

 

[JJB1]

I wish. I don’t have any AI’s at home so I just figured let’s see what enclomiphene does. What it did was make me extremely horny last night.

 

[FearsomeCOR]

I wish. I don’t have any AI’s at home so I just figured let’s see what enclomiphene does. What it did was make me extremely horny last night.

That will most certainly not help your e2 come down brother. Wrong kinda serm my man lol

 

[codem]

Not sure when I posted that but I lied. Yes, 10mg test cyp subQ is popular with a TRT group on another forum. I started gear again a month ago. I’m doing 16mg test prop intramuscularly daily. After 3 weeks on test prop my bloodwork shows my total testosterone went from 9 to 1,304.
SEPTEMBER BLOODWORK:
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DECEMBER BLOODWORK:
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My IGF1 doubled from 75 to 150.
My estrogen went crazy from 5 to 94.
I took 12.5 encomiphene yesterday and today because it’s the only thing I have to possibly bring estrogen down, other than masteron, but I don’t want to add another AAS yet due to fear of pushing my AAS dose higher and higher like I always do.
I FEAR IT WILL INCREASE INFLAMMATION AROUND MY SPINAL NERVES. I’m still a mess with severe spinal issues and possible A.L.S.. I’m lifting weights 3 days a week again due to trying to overcome the depression of my situation.

Your total t is higher than mine but your free t is slightly lower and im at 250mg/week. Does test prop have higher peaks due to the short half life?

If so daily test prop sounds like a winner on cycle.

 

[JJB1]

Your total t is higher than mine but your free t is slightly lower and im at 250mg/week. Does test prop have higher peaks due to the short half life?

If so daily test prop sounds like a winner on cycle.

Yeah. High peak! Kicks in after 2 hours. I don’t have patience for long esters. Dirt cheap too!

 

[codem]

Yeah. High peak! Kicks in after 2 hours. I don’t have patience for long esters. Dirt cheap too!

Prop comes in 100mg/ml right? So .16ml per injection?

The most annoying thing about that is ed injections if you’re not on cycle and just cruising.

But the blood levels are peak, prop has more mg per ml if I recall as well.

No pip?

 

[JJB1]

Prop comes in 100mg/ml right? So .16ml per injection?

The most annoying thing about that is ed injections if you’re not on cycle and just cruising.

But the blood levels are peak, prop has more mg per ml if I recall as well.

No pip?

That’s true!
I use a 27 gauge 1/2” slin pin and draw up 16 units. I put it in various spots in my quads and delts. I’m not prone to PIP. I’m lucky, I guess. I’ll probably put it in my lats again, too. I don’t like to inject in the exact same spot very often to avoid scar tissue. I would put it in my arms but they’re all shot out from back in the day when I put everything in my arms.

 

[codem]

That’s true!
I use a 27 gauge 1/2” slin pin and draw up 16 units. I put it in various spots in my quads and delts. I’m not prone to PIP. I’m lucky, I guess. I’ll probably put it in my lats again, too. I don’t like to inject in the exact same spot very often to avoid scar tissue. I would put it in my arms but they’re all shot out from back in the day when I put everything in my arms.

I may try that in the future, for 4 weeks I strictly used my calves for yk11 .16ml in the morning .16ml in the afternoon. No pip, no swelling.

I could probably do the same thing with test prop. I prefer not to use any other muscle.

 

[JJB1]

I may try that in the future, for 4 weeks I strictly used my calves for yk11 .16ml in the morning .16ml in the afternoon. No pip, no swelling.

I could probably do the same thing with test prop. I prefer not to use any other muscle.

Get those big calves!