Masteron / Dr Todd Lee

[Syntha Claus]

I wanted this in it’s own response.

What Wiseguy said about nothing being the same.
This not only applies to every person responding differently but more importantly, nothing ever remains the same. Even year to year your body might respond completely differently than before.
Never base any protocol on past experiences and expect identical results or how your body will react.

Every venture into steroids will be different. Which is why we harp on getting blood work.
Feelz mean absolutely nothing regarding physiological reaction.

 

[OlePhart]

Ill end my responses with this. Every single gear is going to have a different effect based on the individuals condition, training, diet, experience, goals, medical conditions and quality of gear. No one is right or wrong and its your money spend it any way you want it if the gear works perfect for you. This is not a cookie cutter. Me personally I wouldn't spend a penny on NPP, Dbol, Deca, Sdrol, Adrol because they don't work with my life style and goals.
Again no right or wrong. If it works for you great and go at it, but just because it doesn't its not a waste of money for others that do work. Be safe my friends. . Off to the next topic.

Agree 1000%. I, and others, have said the same thing before. No one size fits all garbage. I don't understand how people can be that narrow minded. Great response. @Wiseguy you are one of the most level headed people on here in my opinion. Much respect.

 

[Syntha Claus]

Agree 1000%. I, and others, have said the same thing before. No one size fits all garbage. I don't understand how people can be that narrow minded. Great response. @Wiseguy you are one of the most level headed people on here in my opinion. Much respect.

Wiseguy is a sexy MFer too….for an old man.
I can only imagine the comments he gets during his day.
I get plenty and I run around “fluffy” compared to his perpetual shred.

 

[OlePhart]

Wiseguy is a sexy MFer too….for an old man.
I can only imagine the comments he gets during his day.
I get plenty and I run around “fluffy” compared to his perpetual shred.

You fall in the same category Sarcasm Claus. Some people just don't know how to take you at times.

 

[Syntha Claus]

You fall in the same category Sarcasm Claus. Some people just don't know how to take you at times.

Mission accomplished.

 

[HyperResponder]

Dr Todd is an angry person, and I’ve given up on watching his YouTube. Mast definitely affects bloods more than Primo for me. Test, GH, & Insulin are still the foundation of sustainable gains.

 

[Meetketchup]

Dr Todd is an angry person, and I’ve given up on watching his YouTube. Mast definitely affects bloods more than Primo for me.

Think want you want but he's the opposite of angry. lol One of the most laid-back guys I know. Social media is not reality.

Also, for you maybe mast effects your bloods more, but that's not "generally" the case but what works for you is what works for you.

 

[RaiderStrong]

Dr Todd is an angry person, and I’ve given up on watching his YouTube. Mast definitely affects bloods more than Primo for me. Test, GH, & Insulin are still the foundation of sustainable gains.

It’s not just Todd that says test/mast. John Jewitt preaches this as well in J3 University. He says run test as high as you can go and fill in the gaps with mast or primo or even both.

 

[Machforce1]

It’s not just Todd that says test/mast. John Jewitt preaches this as well in J3 University. He says run test as high as you can go and fill in the gaps with mast or primo or even both.

Seems to work very well for him, if that’s what he used to build his physique. If he used other stuff and just maintains using test/mast/primo, that’s a different story. But who really knows what anyone takes tbh. That goes for Jewett and everyone else under the sun.

 

[Meetketchup]

Seems to work very well for him, if that’s what he used to build his physique. If he used other stuff and just maintains using test/mast/primo, that’s a different story. But who really knows what anyone takes tbh. That goes for Jewett and everyone else under the sun.

I know Todd personally and he uses Mast as he says he does. I know a few people who trained under John J and Luke at J3U and they were prescribed Mast in growth phases. Aside from that I get your point, but you can say that about all of us. lol

 

[Wardamn]

Seems to work very well for him, if that’s what he used to build his physique. If he used other stuff and just maintains using test/mast/primo, that’s a different story. But who really knows what anyone takes tbh. That goes for Jewett and everyone else under the sun.

John used test/primo/mast GH and insulin during his last big growth phase pushing from 212 to open.

He was running over 3 grams.

 

[RaiderStrong]

John used test/primo/mast GH and insulin during his last big growth phase pushing from 212 to open.

He was running over 3 grams.

Not to mention he was on 18 IUs of gh. We all know if you want to even get close to looking like a pro you need high doses of gh. But the other compounds play a big role too.

I only wonder if the test/mast that is pushed by Lee and John would be less effective without the (high amounts) of GH?

 

[Machforce1]

Not to mention he was on 18 IUs of gh. We all know if you want to even get close to looking like a pro you need high doses of gh. But the other compounds play a big role too.

I only wonder if the test/mast that is pushed by Lee and John would be less effective without the (high amounts) of GH?

I can’t even imagine pinning 15 cc’s of oil per week.

 

[Wardamn]

Not to mention he was on 18 IUs of gh. We all know if you want to even get close to looking like a pro you need high doses of gh. But the other compounds play a big role too.

I only wonder if the test/mast that is pushed by Lee and John would be less effective without the (high amounts) of GH?

I mentioned the GH. He ran around 10 IUs.

It all works together. Of course test Mast, GH, and insulin will produce more growth than just test and mast, all things equal. That's a no brainer. They would both tell you this.

 

[Wardamn]

I can’t even imagine pinning 15 cc’s of oil per week.

Pinning that kind of volume gets old real quick.

 

[Tom36]

My instincts are to take a solid dose of T and add something that is less estrogenic and less androgenic. So T plus mast or primo seems like a good idea. And controlling estrogen with another AAS so that you can take more T seems more circular than you have to be.

On the other hand, Arnold was reported to take an absurd about of d-bol, but it was paired with an absurd amount of primo. How much truth is there? Who knows? Platz liked Deca and Winstrol, which is another wet compound countered by a dry, but his dose is even more elusive. Those guys were pretty big. So perhaps using primo, or mast to allow a higher dose of test is a great idea. It’s hard for me to see compounds with lower anabolic numbers than test driving mass gains, so again, if using something androgenic allows you to take more test, deca, or dbol, it might be better to do it that way than simply to cap your test where you don’t get sides, and then add a compound. Using the compound to take more test might be better.

But looking at Arnold and Platz, they were both using compounds that were more anabolic and less androgenic than test. It might be even better to run a low dose test base, and use primo or mast to allow a higher than normal dose of deca or dbol than simply test/mast.

 

[RaiderStrong]

My instincts are to take a solid dose of T and add something that is less estrogenic and less androgenic. So T plus mast or primo seems like a good idea. And controlling estrogen with another AAS so that you can take more T seems more circular than you have to be.

On the other hand, Arnold was reported to take an absurd about of d-bol, but it was paired with an absurd amount of primo. How much truth is there? Who knows? Platz liked Deca and Winstrol, which is another wet compound countered by a dry, but his dose is even more elusive. Those guys were pretty big. So perhaps using primo, or mast to allow a higher dose of test is a great idea. It’s hard for me to see compounds with lower anabolic numbers than test driving mass gains, so again, if using something androgenic allows you to take more test, deca, or dbol, it might be better to do it that way than simply to cap your test where you don’t get sides, and then add a compound. Using the compound to take more test might be better.

But looking at Arnold and Platz, they were both using compounds that were more anabolic and less androgenic than test. It might be even better to run a low dose test base, and use primo or mast to allow a higher than normal dose of deca or dbol than simply test/mast.

Everyone handles things differently that’s for sure. Some run low test (trt level) and higher deca/npp/tren bc that’s what’s works for them or they have to bc of sides. I did that in the past and got great results from it. Broderick preaches this saying your test should be low and your other anabolic(s) high.

 

[Machforce1]

Everyone handles things differently that’s for sure. Some run low test (trt level) and higher deca/npp/tren bc that’s what’s works for them or they have to bc of sides. I did that in the past and got great results from it. Broderick preaches this saying your test should be low and your other anabolic(s) high.

Yep. Broderick said he ran a trt level of test and four grams of mast to get where he wanted to go.

 

[RaiderStrong]

Real question I ponder and can never get a “straight” answer is when running npp does mast work to mitigate the sides from the npp?

 

[Jerseyshoremuscles]

It's funny how all roads lead back to test and GH at the end of the journey. lol We all go through the phase of wanting to run every compound under the sun, stack this with that when it comes down to moderate dosages of test, a DHT and GH yields the best/safest results.

As far as Mast and prostate: I rarely see it impact the prostate negatively. Now that's not to say certain people do but as a norm, I don't see it. A reason for the increased urination may be attributed to the drying out effect of mast, thus we excrete water as taking this such as winny.

It's so hard to pinpoint these compounds as we all know its user based.

My next cycle is test e, hgh, and Proviron.
I wanna keep it simple

 

[Wardamn]

Real question I ponder and can never get a “straight” answer is when running npp does mast work to mitigate the sides from the npp?

No

 

[RaiderStrong]

No

Have heard conflicting reports on this

 

[Meetketchup]

Have heard conflicting reports on this

You keep saying you hear conflicting information on a lot of topics. Who are you listening to? Not a criticism. Genuinely curious.

 

[Bolan]

I can’t even imagine pinning 15 cc’s of oil per week.

Rookie numbers.....

When I was at my Prime I would do 9cc's a day.
3cc's Omnadren 250
3cc's Eq Pharm grade/ Fort Dodge 50mg
3cc's Laurabolin-50 ---- A Long acting (Deca) 19nor
Was a bulking blast that I liked back in the day.
No way in hell could I do that much volume nowadays.
Still pokes add up with multiple GH+Slin+YK-11 +gear a day.

 

[RaiderStrong]

Just seems like mast is a very debatable compound….

 

[RaiderStrong]

You keep saying you hear conflicting information on a lot of topics. Who are you listening to? Not a criticism. Genuinely curious.

Vigorous Steve and others have conflicting views on what Masteron ddoes or can do compared to Todd Lee and even John Jewett.

Some say mast controls side effects from npp (prolactin etc) some say it doesn’t.

 

[Meetketchup]

Vigorous Steve and others have conflicting views on what Masteron ddoes or can do compared to Todd Lee and even John Jewett.

Some say mast controls side effects from npp (prolactin etc) some say it doesn’t.

What evidence other than what you've heard from Vigorous Steve shows Mast controls prolactin and other sides of NPP? Because I've seen countless bloods of guys running the two and there is no evidence of such.

More than happy to hear what you've got to show.

 

[Glycomann]

My instincts are to take a solid dose of T and add something that is less estrogenic and less androgenic. So T plus mast or primo seems like a good idea. And controlling estrogen with another AAS so that you can take more T seems more circular than you have to be.

On the other hand, Arnold was reported to take an absurd about of d-bol, but it was paired with an absurd amount of primo. How much truth is there? Who knows? Platz liked Deca and Winstrol, which is another wet compound countered by a dry, but his dose is even more elusive. Those guys were pretty big. So perhaps using primo, or mast to allow a higher dose of test is a great idea. It’s hard for me to see compounds with lower anabolic numbers than test driving mass gains, so again, if using something androgenic allows you to take more test, deca, or dbol, it might be better to do it that way than simply to cap your test where you don’t get sides, and then add a compound. Using the compound to take more test might be better.

But looking at Arnold and Platz, they were both using compounds that were more anabolic and less androgenic than test. It might be even better to run a low dose test base, and use primo or mast to allow a higher than normal dose of deca or dbol than simply test/mast.

Keep in mind genetics for growth and response to drugs. About Arnold's use of Primobolan and Dianabol, these were cycles he told people about. I recall in 1977 he did a seminar at an Armory in my area. I didn't go but one of my high school friends did. That was what he was telling everyone. When asked why he was giving away his cycle. He said they can do my cycle but they can't be me. He knew he had the genetics.

 

[Glycomann]

What evidence other than what you've heard from Vigorous Steve shows Mast controls prolactin and other sides of NPP? Because I've seen countless bloods of guys running the two and there is no evidence of such.

More than happy to hear what you've got to show.

I rarely have seen prolactin blood levels out of range even with deca sexual sides. What have you seen? Maybe what they are professing is offset of sexual sides. Masteron made me a sex addict.

 

[McPriimate]

. Masteron made me a sex addict.

I’m looking forward to adding masteron at some point in the next year as TRT+, but not sure my wife is gonna be as happy about it lol. Just the HRT (both of us, which has been great) has us banging like a shithouse door in a nor’easter…


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