Sarms

[thisdude]

Been seeing sarms everywhere especially rad140 and mk677 are these worth a buy or are they a gimmick?

 

[JC33]

This forum isn’t huge on sarms. Here’s my unbiased opinion. At 20mgs a day Rad will make you incredibly strong and vascular, but it also flattens you out. It will significantly raise blood pressure, and skew your lipids.

Mk isn’t a Sarm, but it’s great for bulking as it makes you hungry as fuck. Watch your blood glucose on it.

Injectable YK-11 is the best sarm as its steroidal by nature, having a cholesterol backbone.

If you’re not on trt or using a test base, sarms are a waste of time. They will supress you into the ground, and you won’t keep much of what you gain. Hope this helps.

 

[Meetketchup]

You will see some results on LGD and RAD140, but the negatives don't outweigh the positives. I've seen some BAD bloodwork with liver, lipid, HDL/LDL effects, suppression, etc from these compounds too. Technology with selector androgen receptor modulators is in it's infancy. Who knows down the road, but for now you are much better IMO adding something like low dose var where we know the risks and benefits. Only if you are on TRT btw for test base. Var/TBol is also superior to aforementioned compounds.

YK11 is not a sarm BTW it is a steroid chemically and in structure.

 

[AlphaRomeo]

Been seeing sarms everywhere especially rad140 and mk677 are these worth a buy or are they a gimmick?

I've ran a cycle of Rad and Cardarine about a year ago and I could definitely notice a difference in strength and size. I've done a lot of research on the results of SARMS alone, and compared to gear, and there's definite evidence (anecdotal) out there that SARMS do have a place in the PED world. Most are mild in comparison to gear, but the side effects can also pale in comparison to gear, so there's a positive trade off depending on how much you care about your body at the moment and the future.

YK-11 Injectable no doubt undisputedly provides the best end result. There are some gear bodybuilders who even swear by running YK alongside their normal gear. DO NOT start with YK by any means though, as it is the harshest "SARM" available currently, and has not been researched much to know what COULD go wrong. Always run a test base with any SARM cycle also, and please run a PCT.

I will say this in regards to SARMs effectiveness. I have been training natty since around 2016/17. I went from 230lbs fat, to 170lbs strong and ALMOST consistently visible 6-pack haha; I had to tighten up my diet just a bit for them to poke through 24/7. Even in my best shape at 170 and hitting the gym hard 6 days a week, two muscle groups a day, I could never really get my chest to improve really at all. Bench sucked, could not do any respectable weight for flys, no definition unless I had a massive pump; the most I was able to do is create a gap between my pecs.

I had three kids over 4 years, and in the process I obviously couldn't train like I use to, so I ended up putting on some lost weight, and really falling into a BAD diet, with no working out whatsoever. Since I ran the SARM cycle, my bench has gone up respectably, I can feel AND SEE more definition in my pecs, my arms have continued to look BIG, and I have started to see an increase in weight lifted during my back workouts as well, which was another area I struggled to improve. I have been off the cycle for about a year now, and I am not lying when I say I feel stronger and see more definition even now post-cycle than I ever did when I ran natty.

So for me PERSONALLY, after having experience with it, I believe SARMs have their place. I'll be moving to gear when funds allow it, but until then I'm planning my next SARM cycle right now to run YK-11 injectable. I think that will get me close to a real gear cycle result, and bridge the gap into gear.

 

[Valdosta]

I tried rad and mk. Shocked to say I saw nothing, got mad, and started blasting. Would've been better had I skipped the step and just started blasting.

 

[Astro95]

They’re a gimmick, I used sarms years ago back when Tony huge was pushing them hard. They’ll do something I’ll say that much, but if you have access to gear you may as well do gear. It’s almost like having sex vs beating off. Also, if you’re on social media there’s all these goofs pushing their agendas, guy named kingtolo or something like that comes to mind. Pushes rad and mk677 like they’re the greatest things to excist. The guy simply pushes sales for the research chemical company he represents nothing more. Don’t be naive and be persuaded by these clowns.

 

[Meetketchup]

I've ran a cycle of Rad and Cardarine about a year ago and I could definitely notice a difference in strength and size. I've done a lot of research on the results of SARMS alone, and compared to gear, and there's definite evidence (anecdotal) out there that SARMS do have a place in the PED world. Most are mild in comparison to gear, but the side effects can also pale in comparison to gear, so there's a positive trade off depending on how much you care about your body at the moment and the future.

YK-11 Injectable no doubt undisputedly provides the best end result. There are some gear bodybuilders who even swear by running YK alongside their normal gear. DO NOT start with YK by any means though, as it is the harshest "SARM" available currently, and has not been researched much to know what COULD go wrong. Always run a test base with any SARM cycle also, and please run a PCT.

I will say this in regards to SARMs effectiveness. I have been training natty since around 2016/17. I went from 230lbs fat, to 170lbs strong and ALMOST consistently visible 6-pack haha; I had to tighten up my diet just a bit for them to poke through 24/7. Even in my best shape at 170 and hitting the gym hard 6 days a week, two muscle groups a day, I could never really get my chest to improve really at all. Bench sucked, could not do any respectable weight for flys, no definition unless I had a massive pump; the most I was able to do is create a gap between my pecs.

I had three kids over 4 years, and in the process I obviously couldn't train like I use to, so I ended up putting on some lost weight, and really falling into a BAD diet, with no working out whatsoever. Since I ran the SARM cycle, my bench has gone up respectably, I can feel AND SEE more definition in my pecs, my arms have continued to look BIG, and I have started to see an increase in weight lifted during my back workouts as well, which was another area I struggled to improve. I have been off the cycle for about a year now, and I am not lying when I say I feel stronger and see more definition even now post-cycle than I ever did when I ran natty.

So for me PERSONALLY, after having experience with it, I believe SARMs have their place. I'll be moving to gear when funds allow it, but until then I'm planning my next SARM cycle right now to run YK-11 injectable. I think that will get me close to a real gear cycle result, and bridge the gap into gear.

Do sarms work at some level? Yes. The question is...are the risks worth the benefit compared to steroids. From all the bloodwork I've seen over the years with compounds such as LGD, RAD, S4, Osta, etc. Many times sarms have similar/worse side effects (HDL/LDL, Triglycerides, Liver/Kidneys, etc) than something like anavar. That's where the problem lies. You will get MUCH more benefit out of low dose anavar than any sarm. So knowing this, why would someone take the same/ or more risk for less benefit? We also don't know long term effects of these compounds.

Also, you refer to YK-11 as a sarm. It is not. It's a steroid in structure and acts as such in the body. So if you've used it, you've used steroids. This is another compound that doesn't have a lot of long term research so why take the risk?

I'm asking these questions rhetorically, not to bust your balls. Do what you wish man.

 

[Astro95]

Do sarms work at some level? Yes. The question is...are the risks worth the benefit compared to steroids. From all the bloodwork I've seen over the years with compounds such as LGD, RAD, S4, Osta, etc. Many times sarms have similar/worse side effects (HDL/LDL, Triglycerides, Liver/Kidneys, etc) than something like anavar. That's where the problem lies. You will get MUCH more benefit out of low dose anavar than any sarm. So knowing this, why would someone take the same/ or more risk for less benefit? We also don't know long term effects of these compounds.

Also, you refer to YK-11 as a sarm. It is not. It's a steroid in structure and acts as such in the body. So if you've used it, you've used steroids. This is another compound that doesn't have a lot of long term research so why take the risk?

I'm asking these questions rhetorically, not to bust your balls. Do what you wish man.

Agreed. Don’t understand when guys think AAS that have been around for decades a lot for medical uses are more dangerous than bottom of the barrel compounds like sarms. My understanding is that sarms have existed a while aswell, but were never released because there was no real benefit to them in medical settings, then finally someone decided to put them out there as alternatives to AAS and milk some money out of them.

 

[Bolan]

YK-11 inj is prob the best thing ever invented for guys who are close or are genetically tapped out.
That shit is some strong ass shit.

 

[302]

YK-11 inj is prob the best thing ever invented for guys who are close or are genetically tapped out.
That shit is some strong ass shit.

Can’t wait to try it.. Ed dosing 15 mg..2x a day . Total of 30 mg.??

 

[CompoundLifts31]

This forum isn’t huge on sarms. Here’s my unbiased opinion. At 20mgs a day Rad will make you incredibly strong and vascular, but it also flattens you out. It will significantly raise blood pressure, and skew your lipids.

Mk isn’t a Sarm, but it’s great for bulking as it makes you hungry as fuck. Watch your blood glucose on it.

Injectable YK-11 is the best sarm as its steroidal by nature, having a cholesterol backbone.

If you’re not on trt or using a test base, sarms are a waste of time. They will supress you into the ground, and you won’t keep much of what you gain. Hope this helps.

YK-11 didn't do much for me. Nothing like it states it will. Everyone has seen the myostatin bull picture and imagines, "what if that happened to me?" For me, it simply didn't do what I imagined.

I want to run it alone when I'm only on 100mgs test pw at a higher dose to assess it again.

Have you had great results with yk-11? I think @Bolan said he's using it. Maybe he can chime in some.

I'm hoping someone says this stacked with GH is a "game changer"...

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[CompoundLifts31]

MK-677 is amazing though if you get real, properly dosed MK (MA Labs - Mike Arnold Labs) has some MK-677 that is very, very strong. I put on like 12 pounds in a week on the stuff. I had to drop my dose from 25mgs pd to 12.5mgs pd. My hands tingled more than when I was on 3ius of generics. That's crazy imo.

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[JC33]

YK-11 didn't do much for me. Nothing like it states it will. Everyone has seen the myostatin bull picture and imagines, "what if that happened to me?" For me, it simply didn't do what I imagined.

I want to run it alone when I'm only on 100mgs test pw at a higher dose to assess it again.

Have you had great results with yk-11? I think @Bolan said he's using it. Maybe he can chime in some.

I'm hoping someone says this stacked with GH is a "game changer"...

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Did you use the injectable version from a solid source? I find it extremely powerful along 250 test. As for the myostatin inhibition I’m not sure the science is totally clear on that. It’s also only a partial AR agonist so I believe it’s anabolic in two separate pathways. That being said everyone responds differently to different compounds and sometimes thing just don’t work for some as they do for others.

Gymntonic has the oil and it’s fire.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Did you use the injectable version from a solid source? I find it extremely powerful along 250 test. As for the myostatin inhibition I’m not sure the science is totally clear on that. It’s also only a partial AR agonist so I believe it’s anabolic in two separate pathways. That being said everyone responds differently to different compounds and sometimes thing just don’t work for some as they do for others.

Gymntonic has the oil and it’s fire.

No, I used an oral version..

Honestly, can't even remember who it was from. I don't get bunk, but as far as SARMS go, I'm learning and it could've been not good. It was a while back.

What's a good daily dosage? 2x pd SubQ? I got slin pins ready!



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[JC33]

No, I used an oral version..

Honestly, can't even remember who it was from. I don't get bunk, but as far as SARMS go, I'm learning and it could've been not good. It was a while back.

What's a good daily dosage? 2x pd SubQ? I got slin pins ready!



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So here’s where you have to make a decision. From gymntonic it comes dosed at 30mg/ml you can run it 4-6 weeks. 20 will make you incredibly strong but 30mgs a day and I felt like Superman. It’s 50$ a vial tho so it can be a pretty expensive short cycle. I think 30mgs a day IM for 4 weeks will change your mind on the compound at the very least, just don’t tear your peck off the tendon please

 

[302]

So here’s where you have to make a decision. From gymntonic it comes dosed at 30mg/ml you can run it 4-6 weeks. 20 will make you incredibly strong but 30mgs a day and I felt like Superman. It’s 50$ a vial tho so it can be a pretty expensive short cycle. I think 30mgs a day IM for 4 weeks will change your mind on the compound at the very least, just don’t tear your peck off the tendon please

Basically cost 50$ every ten days. Dosed at 30pd.
150$ a month… I’m all in

 

[Rosemary Inno]

If I can ever be of any help to you please feel free to reach out to me

 

[AlphaRomeo]

Do sarms work at some level? Yes. The question is...are the risks worth the benefit compared to steroids. From all the bloodwork I've seen over the years with compounds such as LGD, RAD, S4, Osta, etc. Many times sarms have similar/worse side effects (HDL/LDL, Triglycerides, Liver/Kidneys, etc) than something like anavar. That's where the problem lies. You will get MUCH more benefit out of low dose anavar than any sarm. So knowing this, why would someone take the same/ or more risk for less benefit? We also don't know long term effects of these compounds.

Also, you refer to YK-11 as a sarm. It is not. It's a steroid in structure and acts as such in the body. So if you've used it, you've used steroids. This is another compound that doesn't have a lot of long term research so why take the risk?

I'm asking these questions rhetorically, not to bust your balls. Do what you wish man.

@Meetketchup I know I said SARM when mentioning my next cycle, but I am aware YK isn't actually a SARM. I've done a lot of research on SARMs over the last year and half, so I'm at least familiar with such things. However I've seen positive reported results, and being that it's much easier access than legit gear, it's the way to go for now.

So here’s where you have to make a decision. From gymntonic it comes dosed at 30mg/ml you can run it 4-6 weeks. 20 will make you incredibly strong but 30mgs a day and I felt like Superman. It’s 50$ a vial tho so it can be a pretty expensive short cycle. I think 30mgs a day IM for 4 weeks will change your mind on the compound at the very least, just don’t tear your peck off the tendon please

@JackedCarpenter33 You have a good source for injectable YK? It's been a little difficult to find a trusted source for injectable online.

 

[Bolan]

SARMS will shut you down just as fast as Anabolics... Anabolics have been around since the 30's and are tried and true.
SARMS are newer and we dont know if there are any long term sides...
THIS is the ONLY reason I dont run Inj YK year round and only do short blasts... But it will shut you down.
Stick with the tried and true, theres plenty of good testosterone out there from our sponsors.

 

[Meetketchup]

@Meetketchup I know I said SARM when mentioning my next cycle, but I am aware YK isn't actually a SARM. I've done a lot of research on SARMs over the last year and half, so I'm at least familiar with such things. However I've seen positive reported results, and being that it's much easier access than legit gear, it's the way to go for now.

I get it man. Was in no way judging you or your decision. You do what you feel is best. Remember our replies aren't just for the OP, but for people less educated than you that might help them in someway.

 

[AlphaRomeo]

I get it man. Was in no way judging you or your decision. You do what you feel is best. Remember our replies aren't just for the OP, but for people less educated than you that might help them in someway.

I respect that! Thank you for your input. You're more seasoned than I probably will ever be!

 

[JC33]

@AlphaRomeo i DM’d you

 

[CompoundLifts31]

So here’s where you have to make a decision. From gymntonic it comes dosed at 30mg/ml you can run it 4-6 weeks. 20 will make you incredibly strong but 30mgs a day and I felt like Superman. It’s 50$ a vial tho so it can be a pretty expensive short cycle. I think 30mgs a day IM for 4 weeks will change your mind on the compound at the very least, just don’t tear your peck off the tendon please

Already did that with SuperDrol so all good

Thanks for the advice sir!!

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[CompoundLifts31]

So here’s where you have to make a decision. From gymntonic it comes dosed at 30mg/ml you can run it 4-6 weeks. 20 will make you incredibly strong but 30mgs a day and I felt like Superman. It’s 50$ a vial tho so it can be a pretty expensive short cycle. I think 30mgs a day IM for 4 weeks will change your mind on the compound at the very least, just don’t tear your peck off the tendon please

Is it more strength centered or does the size come too?

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[JC33]

Is it more strength centered or does the size come too?

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There’s a ton of fullness as well. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as strong as superdrol it’s hard for anything to match that, but it does the job extremely well bro

 

[CompoundLifts31]

There’s a ton of fullness as well. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as strong as superdrol it’s hard for anything to match that, but it does the job extremely well bro

SuperDrol is too toxic for my old ass.

I also hate feeling tired unless I'm about to go to sleep and SD makes me feel shitty, regardless of how many liver/kidney/toxin cleaners I take. The supps help delay it. It may take like a week to 10 days for me to feel like death, but I know it's coming...

If it's half as strong as SD with less sides, count me in.

Is there any mutually beneficial things with stacking HGH and YK-11?

Thanks again for all the info.

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[MindlessWork]

YK-11 inj is prob the best thing ever invented for guys who are close or are genetically tapped out.
That shit is some strong ass shit.

My genetics are piss poor and this sounds like a good boost to a cycle.

 

[954ksully]

Any one try mk2866? Thoughts?

 

[Wiseguy]

Ill make it very simple. Do they work? Absolutely.

With that said, me personally I would run 200mg of test instead of any of them.