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Emmet50

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What's your guys thoughts on eq, was watching more plates more dates and dude was saying equipoise isn't at all stacked up the way people talk talk about it. You either love it or hate it it. As far as anxiety goes and drastically drops your e2. Thoughts? What lowest effective dose would u guys suggest?
 
Emmet50 said:
What's your guys thoughts on eq, was watching more plates more dates and dude was saying equipoise isn't at all stacked up the way people talk talk about it. You either love it or hate it it. As far as anxiety goes and drastically drops your e2. Thoughts? What lowest effective dose would u guys suggest?
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Not being rude but I’ve personally seen a few threads with this topic already. Search for it. From what I remember seeing there are people that love it and there are people who can’t tolerate it, so it’s dependent on you really.


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I wouldn’t trust that channel but with that being said I personally love EQ especially for growth. The E2 is letting dependent right now I don’t need an AI while running and I traditionally aromatize high. Anxiety sides etc are also person dependent. As stated above use the search bar this topic has been best to shit
 
Emmet50 said:
What's your guys thoughts on eq, was watching more plates more dates and dude was saying equipoise isn't at all stacked up the way people talk talk about it. You either love it or hate it it. As far as anxiety goes and drastically drops your e2. Thoughts? What lowest effective dose would u guys suggest?
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I suggest not watching More Plates More Dates. :)
 
Meetketchup said:
I suggest not watching More Plates More Dates. :)
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He made it sound like eq is worse than tren. My research that I did made me come to the conclusion that eq is mild? So that guy on more plates more dates doesn't know what He's talking bout?
 
Was often a go to for me although i went with bold cyp so the ester was about the same as my other anabolics. Worked well for me.
 
Didn't like it over primo. At 3:1 still crashed my estrogen when I can run primo around 80% of my test and still be fine. Def feels stronger than primo
 
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Was often a go to for me although i went with bold cyp so the ester was about the same as my other anabolics. Worked well for me.
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So you didn’t have the weeks of waiting for it to kick in? Kicked in like test does?


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It was a great compound for me in the past. At some point it wasn't. 15 years ago I could go on 500 test and 500 EQ and my tendonitis would heal. Now it kills my joints at 1/3 that dose of test. I've seen and heard of enough blood work to know that it crushes E2 for some but probably not everyone.
 
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So you didn’t have the weeks of waiting for it to kick in? Kicked in like test does?


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I used bold cyp mostly to avoid all that it kicks in the same, as the ester is the same asTC or TE for the most part.
But for the most part no EQ didn't seem to take a lot longer as the Test was was ramping up that whole time with more anabolic activity. The longer clearance time was more of what i wanted to avoid..
 
Just finished 15 weeks of test/eq/npp and it’s been a great cycle. No mental sides, felt just stable and strong then stronger the whole time. Gained 15 pounds, about 4 of which were fat, at least per dexa and coach’s estimation (I’ll take that ratio). Psyched to run something similar again, likely next fall.


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McPriimate said:
Just finished 15 weeks of test/eq/npp and it’s been a great cycle. No mental sides, felt just stable and strong then stronger the whole time. Gained 15 pounds, about 4 of which were fat, at least per dexa and coach’s estimation (I’ll take that ratio). Psyched to run something similar again, likely next fall.


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What dosages?
 
Nood said:
What dosages?
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Started 300/150/150 for 5 weeks (then labs), then 400/200/200 for 5, and then 525/210/250 for the final 5 weeks (and labs again - drawn this morning). Low dosages compared to many but the biggest I’ve run - went really well.

Didn’t want to stop tbh, but the plan is the plan and i’m still learning how i react to different combos/doses. Dropped EQ today and going to keep test high and NPP in for 2.5-3 weeks to get any final gains (and avoid crashing my E2) while the EQ comes down. Going to slowly titrate test to TRT as EQ drops

Felt great, good gains in the gym and on the scale. First labs were perfect - hoping this set is as well but will know shortly


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I'm personally a fan of EQ. I feel good while on it. Energy and stamina is always high and training performance always seems to steadily increase week to week.

I've worked with quite a few guys who have built really good winning physique using EQ.

I've also found most guys who aren't told EQ causes anxiety don't get anxiety while running EQ. If you start a cycle of EQ thinking it will cause anxiety you're going to get anxiety.
 
All the sides vary from person to person. I have no issue with it, but don't use it because its such a long cycle 15 plus weeks. I never had any issues on it. I ran it at 400 mg which is high for me, typically I don't run anything more that 300. Keep an eye on RBC.
Long story short again I didn't hate it but not in love with it either. Best of luck brother.
 
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Quick follow up. Bloods came back today. Pristine for the all the labs of concern for EQ and NPP (cbc, prolactin, progesterone, lipids - all ideal. CMP great except BG).

Only concerns were blood glucose and thyroid. BG was 99 fasted which is the highest I’ve ever had - don’t think it’s from the 1.5iU GH (slowly titrating back up after having to stop for CTS a couple months ago) and more likely from too many high GI carbs lately as I’d been struggling to get enough calories to gain during the cycle and pushed not always ideal carbs, but I think as I now have a 4 week mini cut (sailing vacay with friends in the BVIs baby! So want to drop the 4-5 pounds of fluff from the gain) and tighter diet control it should come back where it usually runs in the low to mid 80’s. Actually looking forward to eating less tbh! Thyroid had borderline high t3 uptake (37) and barely low total T4 (4.4) with normal T3 and tsh of 1 (normal but low end), so gonna wait and retest those in a bit.

But as far as the EQ or NPP (or test) labs of concern, they were all normal or better. A relief, as I really liked this run and was concerned that I’d be in for at least some trouble as an old guy lol


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McPriimate said:
Quick follow up. Bloods came back today. Pristine for the all the labs of concern for EQ and NPP (cbc, prolactin, progesterone, lipids - all ideal. CMP great except BG).

Only concerns were blood glucose and thyroid. BG was 99 fasted which is the highest I’ve ever had - don’t think it’s from the 1.5iU GH (slowly titrating back up after having to stop for CTS a couple months ago) and more likely from too many high GI carbs lately as I’d been struggling to get enough calories to gain during the cycle and pushed not always ideal carbs, but I think as I now have a 4 week mini cut (sailing vacay with friends in the BVIs baby! So want to drop the 4-5 pounds of fluff from the gain) and tighter diet control it should come back where it usually runs in the low to mid 80’s. Actually looking forward to eating less tbh! Thyroid had borderline high t3 uptake (37) and barely low total T4 (4.4) with normal T3 and tsh of 1 (normal but low end), so gonna wait and retest those in a bit.

But as far as the EQ or NPP (or test) labs of concern, they were all normal or better. A relief, as I really liked this run and was concerned that I’d be in for at least some trouble as an old guy lol


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I wouldn’t worry about just a single bg reading.

You’d need to track for a period to see trends. It’s a very finicky marker in what can impact it acutely so it’s important to actually see a recognizable pattern before potentially drawing a conclusion. Did you get an a1c?

I slightly fast thyroid isn’t anything too concerning in a surplus setting, especially when pushing carbohydrates. Not unusual to run on the high end in an offseason context.
 
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Everybody responds differently. I don’t notice anxiety (and I have generalized anxiety to start with). I also don’t notice much change until I push it over 500mg. It’s does lower my E2 so that’s a decent use for it. I think personally I could get more out of 1g Test then I have seen with 500/500mg test/eq. Some people love it. Try it and see
 
FearsomeCOR said:
I wouldn’t worry about just a single bg reading.

You’d need to track for a period to see trends. It’s a very finicky marker in what can impact it acutely so it’s important to actually see a recognizable pattern before potentially drawing a conclusion. Did you get an a1c?

I slightly fast thyroid isn’t anything too concerning in a surplus setting, especially when pushing carbohydrates. Not unusual to run on the high end in an offseason context.
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Good perspective. I’m not super concerned about the BG. It’s drifted slowly from 90 up to 99 over this bulk - likely from pushing food and lowering tirz quite a bit. A1C has been 4.7-4.9 steady - most recent was like 5 or 6 weeks ago (forgot to add this time, but unlikely to be much worse). I suspect this one will correct quickly but will watch

The thyroid I thought might have been from gh but even after I stopped, the t4 has dropped and t3 uptake has increased - even with normal T3 and low/normal tsh. So wondering about that one but still not concerned. These are good results all in, as far as I’m concerned - just a couple things trending slightly that I’m gonna watch (rather than intervene with anything serious other than switching from bulk to cut as planned).

Half the fun to me is the citizen scientist bit lol


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McPriimate said:
Good perspective. I’m not super concerned about the BG. It’s drifted slowly from 90 up to 99 over this bulk - likely from pushing food and lowering tirz quite a bit. A1C has been 4.7-4.9 steady - most recent was like 5 or 6 weeks ago (forgot to add this time, but unlikely to be much worse). I suspect this one will correct quickly but will watch

The thyroid I thought might have been from gh but even after I stopped, the t4 has dropped and t3 uptake has increased - even with normal T3 and low/normal tsh. So wondering about that one but still not concerned. These are good results all in, as far as I’m concerned - just a couple things trending slightly that I’m gonna watch (rather than intervene with anything serious other than switching from bulk to cut as planned).

Half the fun to me is the citizen scientist bit lol


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Thyroid readings make sense to me given the phase you’re in.

Past a1cs are great, so just recheck next set of labs. In meantime if curious you can just grab a glucometer. Something all bodybuilders should own anyways imo.
 
McPriimate said:
Good perspective. I’m not super concerned about the BG. It’s drifted slowly from 90 up to 99 over this bulk - likely from pushing food and lowering tirz quite a bit. A1C has been 4.7-4.9 steady - most recent was like 5 or 6 weeks ago (forgot to add this time, but unlikely to be much worse). I suspect this one will correct quickly but will watch

The thyroid I thought might have been from gh but even after I stopped, the t4 has dropped and t3 uptake has increased - even with normal T3 and low/normal tsh. So wondering about that one but still not concerned. These are good results all in, as far as I’m concerned - just a couple things trending slightly that I’m gonna watch (rather than intervene with anything serious other than switching from bulk to cut as planned).

Half the fun to me is the citizen scientist bit lol


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My last lab work showed same pattern with thyroid. T3 elevating, T4 lowering, TSH lowering. I figured it was GH related. My thought was GH was driving T4 to T3 conversion, which in turn has TSH lowering. But I’m by no means a thyroid expert. Just my rational thinking. All were still within range just moving from last lab work
 

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