Cycle mistakes you wish you avoided early on

[Dchuck86]

Looking back, what’s one mistake you made early on that you’d never repeat now?

Could be dosing, compounds, PCT, or even just not running labs.

 

[Crit]

test + deca while i was still fat

 

[celrin321]

Accidentally raping my e2 with too much primo or eq. First time I didn't even know what e2 was just woke up depressed as hell one day couldn't get a boner didn't want to train anymore.

Not something I did but something I didn't was doing serious blasts when I was younger to put on more mass and sacrifice leanness temporarily.

 

[Jbswole40]

Test/deca/eq;never again.

 

[Conmike41]

realizing that training and nutrition are more important than gear!

 

[BulkHead]

Test/deca/eq;never again.

Why was this a bad cycle? Sounds like some sweet gains if the E2 is just right.

 

[LukeOvEarth]

Never pin quads, large needles are unnecessary, run tren at lowest dose effective, don’t waste money on secretagauges and go straight for GH, more frequent dosing schedule for anabolics. Just off the dome.

 

[Dchuck86]

Some good points in there. Lowest effective dose and frequency definitely make a difference. I think a lot of people underestimate how much stability in levels helps with both sides and results.
I wouldn’t completely write off secretagogues though—depends on goals and how someone respo

 

[Dchuck86]

Accidentally raping my e2 with too much primo or eq. First time I didn't even know what e2 was just woke up depressed as hell one day couldn't get a boner didn't want to train anymore.

Not something I did but something I didn't was doing serious blasts when I was younger to put on more mass and sacrifice leanness temporarily.

That’s the downside of stacking multiple DHT-based compounds like primo/eq—E2 can get pushed too low without people realizing it. Dialing in balance is way more important than just adding more compounds

 

[Jbswole40]

Why was this a bad cycle? Sounds like some sweet gains if the E2 is just right.

Just wasnt for me,mayb life got to me at the time,my health mental & physical wasn't that great..rather npp over deca anyways..you may like it,i rather shorter esters if im running anything along w test..

 

[Khan93]

That’s the downside of stacking multiple DHT-based compounds like primo/eq—E2 can get pushed too low without people realizing it. Dialing in balance is way more important than just adding more compounds

Eq is not a DHT derivative, but it does compete with Testosterone for the aromatase enzyme. That then lowers Test to E2 conversion.

 

[Dchuck86]

Yeah that’s a better way to explain it—EQ competing at aromatase is what throws people off. It’s not directly DHT-based, but the end result can still be similar in terms of lowering E2.
That’s where people run into issues stacking it with other ‘dry’ compounds.