Kratom, again…

[MonsterMaker]

I just wanted to put this out there since now I can say it with certainty: that kratom really messed with my head and my body man. Bad.

It’s been a couple weeks and at first after coming off my back pain was ridiculous. I chalked it up to just getting used to feeling it again since kratom really was a god send for the chronic back pain. But now that withdrawals are totally over, it’s feeling much more manageable and I don’t feel like I need kratom to put my socks on.

No more crazy night sweats, and hot flashes, getting my strength and motivation back in the gym and my head is much more clearer and mood is too notch… I feel myself again.

I respect everyone’s individuals choices but I really think new comers should really be warned about that shit. I can totally see how it has the potential to ruin a life… it definitely took a nice chunk out of the quality of mine…

and my bigger point it’s extremely addicting, at a physical level. Coming off my dose (50-80 grams per day with extracts too) was impossible cold Turkey since I had to function enough to take care of the kids and work. I was shaking like I had Parkinson’s and pouring sweat and freezing cold at the same time. Drenched the bed for 7 days straight. Too weak to stand more than a minute, felt like I was on my way out.

What I did this last time was a long slow taper. Just kind of felt it out. Spaced out doses as long as possible. Started to take less doses a day. Went from 3 times a day to 1. Took me over two months of prolonged mild and manageable withdrawal symptoms while I tapered down to 5grams a day at that point I just stopped and it was fairly easy except the body aches.


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[Milford King]

I’m gonna be following suit soon. Been on it long enough. Roughly 5 years…. Around 25g-30g a day.

Definitely a nuisance to have to pack enough to last me on trips and such. Withdrawals are definitely not pleasant. Not as bad as Percocet/oxy withdrawals but bad enough to force me to hesitate on coming off it. Kids and job and other obligations tend to make coming down a non starter.

Congrats on sobriety. Throw in some tips and pointers so those of us who need to know can read up on your experiences.

 

[Augustine5I]

And yet, still seeing members talking about it and getting on it.

This strain or that strain.

No need to complicate your life with more shit.

Hope new guys stay far away from this stuff.

 

[Draig]

Sobriety is one day at a time brothers.

Good luck with the journey.


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[Multislacking]

I guess I should be thankful I'm one of the lucky ones that doesn't have problems if I miss a dose or a day.

 

[Powerhousehb]

Kratom is just as addicting as narcotics in my opinion. I've had issues with both due to surgerys. For me the withdrawl was not much different. I felt intense pain and wanted to die. Shaking, cold sweat, anxiety, nausea. I always had to go to a medical detox facility. I could never do it a home. Its been several years and I'll never touch the stuff ever again.

 

[MonsterMaker]

I’m gonna be following suit soon. Been on it long enough. Roughly 5 years…. Around 25g-30g a day.

Definitely a nuisance to have to pack enough to last me on trips and such. Withdrawals are definitely not pleasant. Not as bad as Percocet/oxy withdrawals but bad enough to force me to hesitate on coming off it. Kids and job and other obligations tend to make coming down a non starter.

Congrats on sobriety. Throw in some tips and pointers so those of us who need to know can read up on your experiences.

Will post that up after work


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[MonsterMaker]

Kratom is just as addicting as narcotics in my opinion. I've had issues with both due to surgerys. For me the withdrawl was not much different. I felt intense pain and wanted to die. Shaking, cold sweat, anxiety, nausea. I always had to go to a medical detox facility. I could never do it a home. Its been several years and I'll never touch the stuff ever again.

Same for me. The level of discomfort was on par with my 1g a day heroin habit if you can believe that. Absolutely fucked my world up. So glad I tapered. Never again is right. Congrats man!


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[Astro95]

I was listening to Mike bells power project episode 803 with Dan Garner which talked about how much Testosterone we actually need to build muscle and what supplements really work and while the information was great, they expressed to use kratom and laughed it off like it was nothing lol I was like wtf

 

[Powerhousehb]

Same for me. The level of discomfort was on par with my 1g a day heroin habit if you can believe that. Absolutely fucked my world up. So glad I tapered. Never again is right. Congrats man!


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Congratulations on kicking the kratom! That is no small task!

 

[MonsterMaker]

I’m gonna be following suit soon. Been on it long enough. Roughly 5 years…. Around 25g-30g a day.

Definitely a nuisance to have to pack enough to last me on trips and such. Withdrawals are definitely not pleasant. Not as bad as Percocet/oxy withdrawals but bad enough to force me to hesitate on coming off it. Kids and job and other obligations tend to make coming down a non starter.

Congrats on sobriety. Throw in some tips and pointers so those of us who need to know can read up on your experiences.

Thanks for that brother. The shit isn’t easy man and like you it became very ritualistic. If I am being completely honest with you, I don’t really have anything that I “did” that helped me find success. I just needed a reason to quit. I got so many sides from that shit that made life (especially in summer) difficult, because of the body temp fuckery and insane amounts of sweat… those two things bothered the shit out of me right off the bat but I put up with it because I’m a junkie and love to get high… so went through about 2-3 shorts and 5+ shirts a day when I wore them…people would stare at me all the time just trying to figure out why it looks like came out the pool and it’s 73 out…

The shit was just a hassle. Not to mention I had to drive it in from the next state over because it’s illegal here. Way more illegal than steroids. Schedule 1 with heroin. If I got caught driving back it would be instant felony and probably some prison time.

Once I realized I became dependent, I knew I was fucked and used that as an excuse to just abuse it even harder. That’s when I got up to 100gs a day. That didn’t last long because I was going through withdrawals right before I was about to dose basically all day and wake up withdrawaling hard as fuck. Mornings were the worst because being so dope sick made me feel like vomiting already, with out having to dump that bitter ass powder down my throat, 5 gram scoops at a time… knarly as fuck man. I remember the one time it actually gagged me and I sprayed kratom and water all over the cupards and proceeded to vomit in the sink…

Then the final motivator for me was talking with this phenomenal women/mother. Most amazing women snd she doesn’t do any drugs period. So I know she won’t put up with that. But she just really encouraged me to get my shit together and do better… she didn’t demand it or even suggest it she just made me want to be better… this isn’t that black women I was talking to for anyone about light my ass on fire lol.

And if I had to be 100% honest with you, I decided to take some mushrooms in an attempt to dig in and fix some shit. It was the roughest ride of my life, crippled me for about 2-3 hours then it gave the me perspective to see it differently, see it how it would be if I changed these things… then the trip just did a 180 and I had all this insight into a life with out these self imposed problems and it was fucking beautiful man… that night I dumped the rest of my jar and haven’t touched it since. Haven’t even wanted to drink much either… and the coolest part man is life is actually getting better each day…


And WAY easier

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[MonsterMaker]

Just realized how bad I sound like a stupid hippie talking like that, but it helped man bottom line. There is no denying that.


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[Powerhousehb]

Just realized how bad I sound like a stupid hippie talking like that, but it helped man bottom line. There is no denying that.


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It dosent matter how you think you sound. What matters is to get the feelings and frustration out. It creates a release of negative energy and has a calming effect. For me aside from peds I don't do anything. No alchol, drugs, pills nothing. I understand wanting to get high. I also love the feeling and started messing around with prescription meds when I was young. My mom used to have migraine headaches and get barbiturates by the 100s to numb the pain. As a kid about 15 those pills were awesome. I would taken them on the weekend and veg in my room listening to Ozzy, Motley Crue, Judas Priest and so on. Lucky for me I never did any street drugs. I was always afraid of them. I pray I have gotten all that stuff through my system. Never again! Its taken many years to straighten out my life and it's not worth regressing. Again Congratulations brother! Keep up the great work

 

[MonsterMaker]

It dosent matter how you think you sound. What matters is to get the feelings and frustration out. It creates a release of negative energy and has a calming effect. For me aside from peds I don't do anything. No alchol, drugs, pills nothing. I understand wanting to get high. I also love the feeling and started messing around with prescription meds when I was young. My mom used to have migraine headaches and get barbiturates by the 100s to numb the pain. As a kid about 15 those pills were awesome. I would taken them on the weekend and veg in my room listening to Ozzy, Motley Crue, Judas Priest and so on. Lucky for me I never did any street drugs. I was always afraid of them. I pray I have gotten all that stuff through my system. Never again! Its taken many years to straighten out my life and it's not worth regressing. Again Congratulations brother! Keep up the great work

Sounds like you’re in a very healthy place man, good for you! Glad you have that perspective/fear of drugs otherwise you probably would have ended up struggling the same over the years.

Nothing really scared me about drugs I was more scared of being sober to be honest. So when it came to drugs I was flat out reckless. It’s amazing I didn’t kill myself.

I can say for Certain life this way is much easier. I still will never be a total straight edge. I think I’ll always experiment a little, but RESPONSIBLY. Which means no addictive hard drugs. I know the things I can’t handle… for me it’s just psychedelics and cannabis… those are the only things safe for me…


Then again who knows man. If i can find enough happiness with out ever using anything then why not… I’m open to that too. But at this point I’m just glad I’m off all the addictive stuff that causes dependency issues…. That’s when drugs steal your life, when you NEED them.


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[Geachem]

What do you expect when using 50-80 grams a day....that is insanity! Of course you are going to get addicted. Use your head: Run 10---12 grams tops and more importantly DO NOT USE EVERYDAY!!! I use krater 3 times a week. I have chronic pain, but some days I just deal, and the Kratom day gives me a break from the pain.

As with anything, common sense is key.

 

[blingcrosby]

abusing anything will cause issues. eating absurd amounts of cheeseburgers, excessive 5+g of tylenol a day will kill you. I have used kratom on and off for years and have never, not one single time had a craving for it or withdraws from it. Big difference from using something as a tool and abusing something. Again, tylenol is a million times worse for you than kratom, hell so would 10 cheeseburgers a day lol.

 

[Pete44]

Thanks for that brother. The shit isn’t easy man and like you it became very ritualistic. If I am being completely honest with you, I don’t really have anything that I “did” that helped me find success. I just needed a reason to quit. I got so many sides from that shit that made life (especially in summer) difficult, because of the body temp fuckery and insane amounts of sweat… those two things bothered the shit out of me right off the bat but I put up with it because I’m a junkie and love to get high… so went through about 2-3 shorts and 5+ shirts a day when I wore them…people would stare at me all the time just trying to figure out why it looks like came out the pool and it’s 73 out…

The shit was just a hassle. Not to mention I had to drive it in from the next state over because it’s illegal here. Way more illegal than steroids. Schedule 1 with heroin. If I got caught driving back it would be instant felony and probably some prison time.

Once I realized I became dependent, I knew I was fucked and used that as an excuse to just abuse it even harder. That’s when I got up to 100gs a day. That didn’t last long because I was going through withdrawals right before I was about to dose basically all day and wake up withdrawaling hard as fuck. Mornings were the worst because being so dope sick made me feel like vomiting already, with out having to dump that bitter ass powder down my throat, 5 gram scoops at a time… knarly as fuck man. I remember the one time it actually gagged me and I sprayed kratom and water all over the cupards and proceeded to vomit in the sink…

Then the final motivator for me was talking with this phenomenal women/mother. Most amazing women snd she doesn’t do any drugs period. So I know she won’t put up with that. But she just really encouraged me to get my shit together and do better… she didn’t demand it or even suggest it she just made me want to be better… this isn’t that black women I was talking to for anyone about light my ass on fire lol.

And if I had to be 100% honest with you, I decided to take some mushrooms in an attempt to dig in and fix some shit. It was the roughest ride of my life, crippled me for about 2-3 hours then it gave the me perspective to see it differently, see it how it would be if I changed these things… then the trip just did a 180 and I had all this insight into a life with out these self imposed problems and it was fucking beautiful man… that night I dumped the rest of my jar and haven’t touched it since. Haven’t even wanted to drink much either… and the coolest part man is life is actually getting better each day…


And WAY easier

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I would sure like a bunch of them shrooms

 

[Augustine5I]

abusing anything will cause issues. eating absurd amounts of cheeseburgers, excessive 5+g of tylenol a day will kill you. I have used kratom on and off for years and have never, not one single time had a craving for it or withdraws from it. Big difference from using something as a tool and abusing something. Again, tylenol is a million times worse for you than kratom, hell so would 10 cheeseburgers a day lol.

Okay.

Keep telling yourself that…

 

[Jbswole40]

Don't want to sound harsh ,but I know addiction to well over 15yrs many opiates.from a pill to nose to the needle..cold turkey is a mfer..tried many times ..it can be done,I did it in jail no help cold sweats,shakes all of the above..u got to really want to quit..I didn't have a choice,been over 2 yrs sober most of in jail..kick that shit bro.

 

[Powerhousehb]

I moved, got me a new number. Stopped hanging out with a big percent of friends that were into that life. The only way for me to stay clean was to leave them behind. Only my trusted friends know where I live now. So far so good.

 

[blingcrosby]

Okay.

Keep telling yourself that…

Okay I will. I havent used kratom in about 6 months, no cravings, no withdrawls. sound like addiction? Tylenol is highly toxic. if you get extra strength tylenol your max dosage for a day is 4g, that is 2 pills every 4 hours in a day. i do not have an addictive personality but some do. kratom is great to use as medicine, just another tool in your toolbox. sure if you take ridiculous amounts every day you will hurt yourself but that pretty much applies to everything in life.

 

[Milford King]

There are two types of people…. Those who get a huge dopamine release when using alcohol or opiate painkillers (or kratom) and those who do not.

Those who do have to be very careful (it’s almost guaranteed they will have abuse problems if they start using alcohol and/or opiates) and those that do not typically don’t need to worry.

 

[MonsterMaker]

What do you expect when using 50-80 grams a day....that is insanity! Of course you are going to get addicted. Use your head: Run 10---12 grams tops and more importantly DO NOT USE EVERYDAY!!! I use krater 3 times a week. I have chronic pain, but some days I just deal, and the Kratom day gives me a break from the pain.

As with anything, common sense is key.

Yeah brother I understand how it works but as an addict all that rationale goes right out the window when you have something that makes you feel good. The only thing that matters is feeling good at all costs. I just have an addictive personality. I’ve been better over the years but still have a compulsive side to me. Honestly it’s not even worth the risk of me being unable to regulate how much I use. I’d probably just keep making an excuse to use it more and more (back pain, long day at work, pissed off, stressed out, you name it) then before I know it I’ll be desperately trying to get over the withdrawals and get off the crap again… that was not a fun process I think I’d rather just live with my pain. It’s manageable but addiction isn’t.

I’m glad you’re able to control your usage. I’m probably not you though.


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[HFO3]

everything costs you something, life is full of series of tradeoffs. I love white hulu but I admit I use it for the buzz, always have, being honest with why youth using it will help keep you from abusing it or becoming dependent.

 

[MonsterMaker]

abusing anything will cause issues. eating absurd amounts of cheeseburgers, excessive 5+g of tylenol a day will kill you. I have used kratom on and off for years and have never, not one single time had a craving for it or withdraws from it. Big difference from using something as a tool and abusing something. Again, tylenol is a million times worse for you than kratom, hell so would 10 cheeseburgers a day lol.

Meh I know man, but tynelol isn’t addictive…the first time I took kratom I knew it was gonna be trouble for me. Felt way too much like an opiate… a weak one but definitely reminded me of that buzz…


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[blingcrosby]

Meh I know man, but tynelol isn’t addictive…the first time I took kratom I knew it was gonna be trouble for me. Felt way too much like an opiate… a weak one but definitely reminded me of that buzz…


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Hope you get things worked out, addiction is a terrible thing.

 

[Geachem]

Yeah brother I understand how it works but as an addict all that rationale goes right out the window when you have something that makes you feel good. The only thing that matters is feeling good at all costs. I just have an addictive personality. I’ve been better over the years but still have a compulsive side to me. Honestly it’s not even worth the risk of me being unable to regulate how much I use. I’d probably just keep making an excuse to use it more and more (back pain, long day at work, pissed off, stressed out, you name it) then before I know it I’ll be desperately trying to get over the withdrawals and get off the crap again… that was not a fun process I think I’d rather just live with my pain. It’s manageable but addiction isn’t.

I’m glad you’re able to control your usage. I’m probably not you though.


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I actually also have an addictive personality...but it was alcohol and I have not had a drink in 33 years (not a typo...I am 60). I never was addicted to opioids (thank God) but I hear that if you ever were, then you are set up to become addicted to Kratom.

I have been lucky, but I do follow very closely stories like yours. I've bumped down my use of Kratom from 12 grams 3 times a week to 10 grams as a result, so I have to thank you for being a reminder. I have tons of injuries, an inoperable left shoulder...pretty much everything but knees and elbows on my body need replacement and the Kratom gives me relief 3 days a week.

 

[guns4one]

Just realized how bad I sound like a stupid hippie talking like that, but it helped man bottom line. There is no denying that.


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Not at all bro, to those who have been there fully understand the mental focus they can give you. Here's one of several stories I have with that. When I was much younger, I found myself living in a hotel, paycheck to paycheck and thinking about what a dick my boss was. After taking some and really just looking to be in another reality for a while here's what happened.

Though I was new to this type of blue-collar job, I realized I could do what my boss does, probably better. Long story short, I went from singing the blues to starting a competing business, within 6 months I hired my manager and 4 or 5 other people he relied on heavily. I then sold it to my former manager for a lot of money, packed the small sports car I worked out of the trunk of to get the business started and went to California to see some friends. I ended up traveling/sightseeing throughout a whole winter.

Yes, I was near broke by the time spring rolled around and I got home but my head was completely clear, just paper as some say despite it being mostly cotton. Congrats on the sobriety, keep focused, keep lifting, nothing gets you higher then packing on some lean muscle and stopping at every mirror you see !!

 

[MonsterMaker]

Not at all bro, to those who have been there fully understand the mental focus they can give you. Here's one of several stories I have with that. When I was much younger, I found myself living in a hotel, paycheck to paycheck and thinking about what a dick my boss was. After taking some and really just looking to be in another reality for a while here's what happened.

Though I was new to this type of blue-collar job, I realized I could do what my boss does, probably better. Long story short, I went from singing the blues to starting a competing business, within 6 months I hired my manager and 4 or 5 other people he relied on heavily. I then sold it to my former manager for a lot of money, packed the small sports car I worked out of the trunk of to get the business started and went to California to see some friends. I ended up traveling/sightseeing throughout a whole winter.

Yes, I was near broke by the time spring rolled around and I got home but my head was completely clear, just paper as some say despite it being mostly cotton. Congrats on the sobriety, keep focused, keep lifting, nothing gets you higher then packing on some lean muscle and stopping at every mirror you see !!

Fuck ya man that’ is awesome! Good for you brother, really. Hope I can find that kind of success in a financially/career sense. But for now If I’m providing for my kids and being the best dad I can I’m very happy with that…

No lie though money is a problem and I’ve really been trying to think about how to make more… working two main jobs and some landscaping side jobs too… still struggling to make ends meet.


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[Rot-Iron66]

Never did a thing for me.
Tried it a few times, maybe didnt do enough, not sure.
Either way, tasted horrible, mixed up like gobshite, so I just tossed it out...