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No energy and can't lose bodyfat!

HRT said:
Not to be a d*ck, but do you know how to use Google?

Wegovy = semaglutide
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The person is simply just trying to strike a conversation and ask a question.
If you are not capable of answering the question like an adult don't answer it.
It was a legitimate question.
 
I thought wegovy was short for something. Thanks Vision! I am not going to take clen or t3 or DNP. Just gonna do it the old fashioned way. No semaglutide either.
 
Soundcubed said:
I thought wegovy was short for something. Thanks Vision! I am not going to take clen or t3 or DNP. Just gonna do it the old fashioned way. No semaglutide either.
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Best way to do it. Hard work will always work. Also bloodwork will tell you what your body’s natural state is without being on any hormones and see if you in fact need a medication
 
You need a female hormone panel. Depending on what state you live it there are online options for these otherwise schedule a blood work labs through your doctor and request a female hormone panel along with metabolic lipid panel and a male hormone panel with free test levels.

If you take any consecutive length of time off (say more than a few days in a row) you lose some momentum. In my experience, sometimes you just gotta force yourself to get intense workouts in for a few days in a row to get that gym mindset back.

Good luck homie

Post your blood work here and the guys can help you out a little more.

Adding drugs indiscriminately to band aid the issue you’re having is setting yourself up for failure.
 
Who was that meant for? "don't listen to him"? Did you mean HRT? And why not? Or were you joking? Why would someone take 2000mg of tren?

What all does the female hormone panel entail? Estrogen and estradiol? And what else?
 
Honestly if you're just worried about your estrogen there is at home test you could buy they're a little pricey but I've been told they work
 
Get Shredded!
Tryna be helpful brother. But I'll have to draw you a picture of everything it seems
 
Soundcubed said:
Who was that meant for? "don't listen to him"? Did you mean HRT? And why not? Or were you joking? Why would someone take 2000mg of tren?

What all does the female hormone panel entail? Estrogen and estradiol? And what else?
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sooo many questions
Take a deep breathe...

It wasnt meant for you...
And the 2000mg of tren comment literally has nothing to do with you.

You can easily google or look at diff labs to see what a female hormone panel consists of.
Again, take a deep breathe.
 
So in a pm from VIsion he told me to take 60/40/40/20 of nolvadex and then to get my blood work 3 weeks after that and see where I am at. That sounds like a good idea right? I would post the lab results here and see what you guys think I should do next.
 
Soundcubed said:
So in a pm from VIsion he told me to take 60/40/40/20 of nolvadex and then to get my blood work 3 weeks after that and see where I am at. That sounds like a good idea right? I would post the lab results here and see what you guys think I should do next.
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If @Vision said that yes he knows what he is doing
 
Do I really need a whole female hormone panel test? Or just estrogen and testosterone?
 
Soundcubed said:
Do I really need a whole female hormone panel test? Or just estrogen and testosterone?
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Get a full ultra sensitive essay panel.. you want Estro, Total T, Free T, Bio T and SHBG... SENTIVE TEST..
You can get a female test, but it may not have all the markers needed to be tested..
 
Ultra sensitive essay panel? Will the people at " Any lab test now" know what that means? Sorry please excuse my ignorance!
 
Soundcubed said:
Do I really need a whole female hormone panel test? Or just estrogen and testosterone?
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Below is for HGH but the same can apply for Testing hormones.. If testing to check Test levels during cycle, wait till full saturation.. When testing PCT wait 3-4 weeks from LAST drug consumption used for PCT..
Read about different types of testing..

~How to take bloods~
Checking your HGH serum levels through blood work!
(Textbook testing for therapeutic levels vs 4-10ius is far different)

In today's age we are limited to testing methods when testing our HGH serum levels due to expense factors.. Though direct HGH serum blood work seems to be the only practical method we have available when it concerns "Meat Heads on a budget" such as PrivateLabs/labcorp, it's known as a "Crude method" like all blood work, however it's a good indicator of where we came from, where we are, and where we are going!

Before we begin, I want to reiterate the fact that there are different testing methods that will yields different results and please read about Testosterone and HGH..

The protocol below is focused around HGH, but please read about the types of tests that would still apply for "TESTOSTERONE" serum readings and a more accurate final report..
For Testosterone LONG esters: 4-5 weeks out is best for a more accurate serum reading, this is the gold standard with 3 days after last injection.. The testing assy that is selected will provide a different result thus is it highly recommending to use a sensitive test that is NOT capped (some tests cap off after 1500, LC MS-MS will not cap) , ::LC MS-MS FEMALE TEST CLICK HERE:: <--- cheapest and best option for TESTOSTERONE SERUMS
You do NOT need to be fasted for testosterone levels..

Types of tests:
ECLIA vs LC MS-MS; ECLIA Method which is short for "Electrochemiluminescent Immunoassay".. It’s a fast and affordable method to measure total hormones in your blood. Many labs and hospitals (ER's) use this method because it’s automatic and doesn’t require too much work on a lab technician’s part, it's simply the standard affordable method done by most clinics for blood tests..It's not reliable or entirely accurate..It's simply just a "standard generic method", fast turn around, nothing more, nothing less...It's simply just a fast, quick snap shot for the moment to give almost instant results, so it's somewhat accurate for that sole purpose when it concerns "Just tell me whats going on now, yes or no"...

LC MS-MS Method is short for "liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry". It’s considered the gold standard method by many researchers in measuring small molecules. Its accuracy and consistency is why the CDC is recommending LC/MS to be the standard method used when testing HGH/IGF or even total testosterone. Because LC/MS is more sensitive than ECLIA, doctors typically use this method when testing patients with really low levels with HGH or even again - testosterone levels, and testing individuals such as women and children. While it’s more accurate and sensitive, the LC/MS method is more expensive than ECLIA. And it takes a bit longer to get your results...Always place into great consideration that with the LC MS-MS method it will be more pronounced with measuring specific concentrations..

The truth of the matter is, HGH serum levels only validates it's legitimacy NOT potency because testing results will vary "dramatically" from each individual to the next.. Testing HGH levels is a crude method at best, at the same time providing a keen indication on what's taken place.. IGF levels would be the best testing to provide if there is any REAL activity, however this method for HGH serum is decent enough to show something..

Testing for IGF serum levels is one of the better methods to assure the quality, in which will help validate the authenticity of the product!

FYI; Always have a baseline, knowing your baseline is pivotal especially if you have a history with testing and having a complete understanding of what your REAL baseline is, this way comparisons can be applied from prior dates to future instances, or even protocols, as there's numerous variables that may effect results..

Test pricing can range from $75-$125 in some cases for a HGH panel http://www.privatemdlabs.com/Testing HGH serum through a blood panel is NOT the current lab standard, IGF levels establish the effectiveness of TRUE HGH levels,and they are seen and recognized by a labs aspect as the RELIABLE standard (depending on time of day, diet and/or the influence of injection of HGH(exogenous) other then natural levels (endogenous ),However, I'm not suggesting that HGH labs are poor with inaccuracy, in fact I'm going to implementing that it's a GREAT alternative compared to the expensive lab standards, as it can provide overwhelming evidence if your HGH is in fact real HGH..

Now, if your utilizing HGH through subq/IM administration (exogenous influence) your levels will spike approximately 3 hrs after administration, an IFG analysis is completely unnecessary UNLESS you have tested prior for baseline levels and wish to compare, the simple HGH serum test will yield a sufficient readout if in fact your HGH is legit or not, as your HGH serum will stand far outside of the standard reference range.. FACT- This is a proven method to determine a YES or NO.. (Its's suggested to do a pre base line readings on HGH & IGF levels for comparison)
Also, always keep notes when testing, with each pre and after test method..

Preparing for Blood test (6-10ius pre testing)

There's a lot of controversy in regards to fasting vs finding it unnecessary.. There's some truth behind this for great reason, such as fasting enhances growth hormone secretion and amplifies the complex rhythms of growth hormone secretion in men (when testing natural levels), levels can be very infrequent and erratic, especially during a fed state, as many nutrients posses an unpredictable effect on GH release in most people..(metabolization sensitivity will vary).. However, when testing 3hrs after IM injection of HGH fasting has been proven to be irrelevant to serum levels (in some/most patients).In order to rule out and opposing factors that can be questionable with manipulation through serum levels, it is SUGGESTED to fast 6-10 hrs pre-blood drawing so levels are NOT BLUNTED. Carbohydrate intake should be lowered considerably 24 hrs prior, up until 6-10 hrs fast, there after no consumption (glucose may suppress GH release effecting spike levels)..

Injection spot: IMO it is best to use a site that has little to NO scar tissue, and is NOT a frequented injection site of the user. The Bicep is a GREAT option due to more virgin tissue opposed to the delt region as most users opt for that area for oils.
Dosages and Serum levels to expect

6-8ius can yield 15-50 ng/mL as ranges can vary (this has been proven in real life experiences, regardless of the quality, generic or US Pharma grade,some user do NOT respond well with HGH injections, fact this is why it's suggested to keep notes from prior testing) Toss text book reads out the window!

Remain inactive pre-testing

As Further recommendations have it, absolutely no strenuous or rigorous stimulation through activities such as running, walking, or exercising, anything that can stimulation hormonal levels and HGH secretions..
Consumption of water is fine, a glass or 2 will NOT hurt, but limit hrs up until testing..
The usage of alcohol and/or tobacco is entirely prohibited, and not recommended, especially alcohol.. cease all consumption 72hrs prior due to the brake down enzymes and glucose levels and pancreases secretions from alcohol..

Recap-

6-10 ius (IM) 3 hrs pre testing (subq administration possess a slower rate with metabolizing in some users, IM has proven a 2-6 fold in levels)
Fasting is recommended, but not necessary (suggested 6-10 hrs pre)
Limit carb intake to absolute minimum
Consumption of water is OK if limited to 1 glass or 2, and not 3 hrs pre testing
No strenuous activities under any circumstances before testing
The use of alcohol and tobacco and other drugs should be completely eliminated 72 hrs prior to testing

Regards,
Vision
 
Soundcubed said:
Ultra sensitive essay panel? Will the people at " Any lab test now" know what that means? Sorry please excuse my ignorance!
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The script will say it on the paper.. But I always remind them even when I had them the paper because some don't know shit about it, and they just enter codes/numbers.. There is only sensitive for Test and estro nothing else...
 
Cocaine. A shit load of it.
Im just obviously joking.

Its already been said but start with blood work.
 
I am not on HGH and will never be on HGH. Do you think my normal doctor could test my estrogen levels?
 
Did I say something wrong? No one replied to my last post. I was thinking I don't think I need HGH tested... or do I? Can I check my estrogen levels at my primary doctors office?
 
Deezo said:
Don't listen to that guy 👆.

He's never done bloodwork!
Even on 2000+mg of tren a week...

Goodluck.
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Astro95 said:
Exactly like wtf
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I totally agree. I look amazing and you definitely dont want that. But really, I give advice that is what I think you should do safely. These 2 in the above quotes can think what they want. It would be interesting to see who looks better. Im sure you could guess and be right. But like I said, I only give practical advice to others and also posted a message about how I wont be talking my cycles and doses. Basically I got Jacked on 500mg of test and eating chicken and rice everyday. Good luck soundcubed and never hesitate to ask questions. Guys like vision really know their shit
 
You need to get bloods done. You need a baseline to know where you are at. You can take the advise or not. But speculation is not the answer. You have had many good suggestions here. Everything starts in the kitchen and that should be your focus.
 
cujo200231 said:
I totally agree. I look amazing and you definitely dont want that. But really, I give advice that is what I think you should do safely. These 2 in the above quotes can think what they want. It would be interesting to see who looks better. Im sure you could guess and be right. But like I said, I only give practical advice to others and also posted a message about how I wont be talking my cycles and doses. Basically I got Jacked on 500mg of test and eating chicken and rice everyday. Good luck soundcubed and never hesitate to ask questions. Guys like vision really know their shit
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You know what, homie? Your 'I look amazing' attitude is getting pretty old. You've been asked a few times to post up a picture of yourself. So either put up or zip it. And before you come up with a clever retort, keep in mind I know exactly what your physique looks like as of last month, January 14, to be exact.
 
cujo200231 said:
I totally agree. I look amazing and you definitely dont want that. But really, I give advice that is what I think you should do safely. These 2 in the above quotes can think what they want. It would be interesting to see who looks better. Im sure you could guess and be right. But like I said, I only give practical advice to others and also posted a message about how I wont be talking my cycles and doses. Basically I got Jacked on 500mg of test and eating chicken and rice everyday. Good luck soundcubed and never hesitate to ask questions. Guys like vision really know their shit
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Alright cock sucker, let ASF decide...
By the way when you in Dubai and want to meet, DM me so we can see what all the fuss is about. I'm just down the road.
 

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cujo200231 said:
Yes, I will def prioritize you when visiting dubai
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Like mother like son.
You sound just like her.

In reality though, it will do you good... At least you will be prioritizing something other than tren for once in your life.
 
GetnBig you wrote this:
You need to get bloods done. You need a baseline to know where you are at. You can take the advise or not. But speculation is not the answer. You have had many good suggestions here. Everything starts in the kitchen and that should be your focus

I thought I was supposed to wait until I am done with 60/40/40/20 of nolvadex and then wait 3 weeks after that for bloodwork. Thats what Vision said. I have a lot more energy now that I am on 60mg of nolvadex a day!
 
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