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Trump withdraws U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal. Here’s what you need to know
By Jon Greenberg, John Kruzel, Amy Sherman on Tuesday, May 8th, 2018 at 5:14 p.m.

President Donald Trump announced the United States would exit a nuclear pact with Iran and re-impose sanctions on Tehran, saying the Obama-era deal failed to contain the regime’s nuclear ambitions and regional meddling.

The U.S. withdrawal advanced Trump’s campaign vow to shake up the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, which had originally been joined by six additional world powers. Under the deal, Iran scaled back its nuclear program in exchange for relief from crippling sanctions.

"This was a horrible one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made," Trump said in White House remarks May 8. "It didn't bring calm, it didn't bring peace, and it never will."

Here’s what you need to know, with fact-checks from Trump’s speech:

Why did Trump walk away?

Trump has long denounced the deal as a narrow and short-sighted windfall for Tehran, and chafed at its failure to address Iran’s missile program or military activity in the Middle East.

Trump believed the deal should have allowed international weapons inspectors to have greater access to Iranian military sitesl. He’s also hammered the deal for not covering Iran’s missile program and repeatedly underscored the need to stop the country from developing an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Finally, Trump criticized the deal for failing to rein in Iran’s support of sectarian violence in places like Syria and Yemen, despite the deal’s promise to contribute to "regional and international peace and security."

A last-ditch effort by leaders of France, Germany and the United Kingdom to address Trump’s concerns failed to persuade him to remain in the deal.

Did Israel reveal anything new?

Trump said that "at the heart of the Iran deal was a giant fiction — that a murderous regime desired only a peaceful nuclear energy program." He went on to say that "last week, Israel published intelligence documents, long concealed by Iran, conclusively showing the Iranian regime and its history of pursuing nuclear weapons."

The accurate part is that Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu presented a trove of Iranian documents.

What’s less accurate is that those documents added much to what the international community had known for some time.

In 2008, notes of a Vienna briefing on Iran by the chief inspector of the International Atomic Energy Agency leaked out. In a summary posted online, the briefing provided diagrams and documents on the development of a "spherical device," high-explosives testing and missile launch sequences, including an explosion at 600 meters. The notes said that "elements available to the Agency are not consistent with any application other than the development of a nuclear weapon."

However, the briefing notes said the activities continued only into January 2004.

Netanyahu’s presentation, based on documents taken from a warehouse in Tehran by Israeli spies, also exhibited a spherical device and work done on high power explosives. He did not describe activities after 2003. So, much of what Netanyahu offered was already known.

Did Iran get billions from the deal?

Trump said the deal handed the regime "many billions of dollars, some of it in actual cash. A great embarrassment to me as a citizen and to all citizens of the United States."

The deal released Iranian assets frozen under a variety of sanctions. The key point is that these assets, whether they were cash in the bank, real estate or something else, belonged to Iran in the first place.

The United States did deliver about $1.7 billion in cash to Iran. That represented $400 million plus interest that Iran had paid the United States before the Iranian revolution in 1979 for military hardware that was never delivered.

The total value worldwide of freed Iranian assets was about $56 billion, according to a 2015 estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department.

Was Iran in compliance?

The deal restricted certain Iranian nuclear activities for periods between 10 to 25 years, and allowed for more intrusive, permanent monitoring. It also forbid Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons in the future. (You can read more details here.)

We previously found that Iran had largely complied with the deal, and many experts praised the pact for keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of Tehran.

Over the 28 months the deal has been in effect, the International Atomic Energy Agency, the foremost authority on the matter, said it found Iran committed no violations — aside from some minor infractions that were rectified.

What is the practical impact of Trump’s decision?

The deal required the U.S. president to waive American sanctions. Exiting the agreement freed Trump to reinstate them, which he did in tandem with the withdrawal announcement.

The White House said renewed sanctions will target "critical sectors of Iran’s economy," including its energy, petrochemical, and financial sectors.

Prior to the deal, American and international sanctions shackled the regime. From 2012-15, the Iranian economy shrank by 9 percent per year, oil exports fell by more than half and more than $120 billion held in overseas banks were frozen.

The lifting of sanctions had roughly the opposite effect. It spurred around 7 percent growth over the past two years, returned oil exports to nearly pre-sanctions levels and unfroze the countries foreign assets.

In a lengthy statement, former President Barack Obama defended his signature foreign policy achievement, called Trump’s announcement a "misguided" decision that "risks eroding America’s credibility" and warned that walking away from the deal could make conflict more likely.

"If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost," Obama wrote, "we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it."

How are the other parties reacting?

While the accord’s ultimate fate is unclear, European allies of the United States expressed disappointment.

"France, Germany, and the UK regret the U.S. decision to leave" the Iran nuclear deal, said French President Emmanuel Macron, adding "the nuclear non-proliferation regime is at stake."

The top European Union diplomat, Federica Mogherini, said that the "European Union is determined to preserve" the agreement.

"Together with the rest of the international community, we will preserve this nuclear deal," she said, Tasnim News Agency reported.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said that Iran will remain in the nuclear deal. Iranian state television said Trump’s decision to withdraw was "illegal, illegitimate and undermines international agreements."

Rouhani ordered the country's atomic agency to prepare to enrich uranium and said that "this is a psychological war, we won’t allow Trump to win." However, the Washington Post reported Iran will negotiate with Europeans, Russia and China about remaining in the deal.

"If the Europeans are willing to give us sufficient guarantees, it makes sense for us to stay in the deal," said the deputy speaker of Iran's parliament, Ali Motahari, according to the Iranian Students' News Agency.

Bloomberg Mideast journalist Ladane Nasseri tweeted that Russia Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov will arrive in Iran on May 10 to hold talks on the Iran Deal.

"Visit part of Iran's ongoing discussions w/ signatories other than US to nuclear accord, local media reporting," she tweeted.

Outside of the deal, Israel’s Netanyahu expressed his support, as did Iranian adversary Saudi Arabia.

Source: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...withdrew-us-iran-nuclear-deal-heres-what-you/
 
Good!

Worst deal ever.

All in the name of vanity so those dick lickers could say they got a treaty.

Obama and Kerry sold us out.
 
Everything Obama tried to do to make his legacy during his term is being undone by Trump. If these things work for Trump, Obama's legacy is toast.

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Why is Trump kissing Jew ass so much lately? I agree it was a shitty deal to begin with but if you think this is going to impede Iranian nuclear research, your clueless. And I meant “Jew” in a non anti Semitic, friendly way. :)
 
So a no deal is better than a weak deal?

You all think this through as deeply as Trump and John Bolton. I don’t know where to start but Boeing is as good a place as any.

What a bunch of Trump fan boys. I was going to call you all a bunch of cowboys but that’s an insult to cows.


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So a no deal is better than a weak deal?

You all think this through as deeply as Trump and John Bolton. I don’t know where to start but Boeing is as good a place as any.

What a bunch of Trump fan boys. I was going to call you all a bunch of cowboys but that’s an insult to cows.


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I am anything but a cowboy, im a city slicker!!!
 
And you know what the entire middle East thinks of breaking this deal?

They love it because Iran is the enemy of just about all the other countries in the region and they know Iran is moving forward with nukes despite the treaty

The only people that don't like breaking the deal are the radical religious leaders that run Iran and the terrorist groups that are supported by Iran like Hezbollah, Syrian regime and that terrorists group in Yemen which name escapes me.

So if you are in support of the Obama deal I would say you are in lockstep with the terrorists and radical Muslim leaders from that area.

Good night everybody!
 
.. ASF is a follower site... guys that don't have enough heart to stand up.. just keep blowing those highly repetitive right wing 'dog whistles'.... fear of immigrants , people of color, any religion not Christian , homophobia, misogyny ...

... bunch of guys who don't know anything , but can't admit it ... they blindly follow trumpski, they don't know what a mistake getting out of the Iran Deal is.. trumpy wants to undo all of Obama's legislature because Obama insulted him... so you back up trump in order to appeal to his never ending vanity... the only thing most of you say when asked why you back trumpy is 'well he ain't black'....

... can some one write in your own words why the Iran Deal should be voided ??? and don't write 'I support trump voiding the Iran deal because my leader told me to'.....
 
Yeah well there you go catering to the Middle East.

I guess it’s fuck you to European allies huh Skip.


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I do not agree with pulling out of the deal. It has no positive effect at this point. What are sanctions going to do anyway? Slow economic growth by 9% annually? Create more animosity? I agree that the original deal was worthless, but they did follow the rules. It’s a giant dick move to reneg on this deal, regardless of actual motive. A renegotiation would be more appropriate than a total no deal. Trump is high on the horse right now, I sgeee to that. Im not anti trump, either. Probably more supportive than against. But this was a dumb move.
 
Well all I can say is this will have N Korea quivering in their boots.

What a fucking joke for a president we have.


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we have an awesome president and this reminds me of when Reagan took office after Carter.
 
Why does everyone like Reagan. He literally stole the “surplus” of social security. Like ripped off the working class. Reagan was a fucking clown. I’d rather have Clint Eastwood’s if we gotta have a insecure, vain, pretentious Hollywood actor as president. I would fight Reagan in the octagon just to win back social security, even if he is dead. :)
 
we have an awesome president and this reminds me of when Reagan took office after Carter.

And Oliver North is the new president of the NRA.

It’s like I just woke up in 1981.
Hey Rob serious question. WTF were you doing in 1981? Because I was 18 and you were?
Don’t make me google your shit.
LMFAO at kids these days.


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And Oliver North is the new president of the NRA.

It’s like I just woke up in 1981.
Hey Rob serious question. WTF were you doing in 1981? Because I was 18 and you were?
Don’t make me google your shit.
LMFAO at kids these days.


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In 1981 I just slid out of my mother and I am considered old
 
.. ASF is a follower site... guys that don't have enough heart to stand up.. just keep blowing those highly repetitive right wing 'dog whistles'.... fear of immigrants , people of color, any religion not Christian , homophobia, misogyny ...

... bunch of guys who don't know anything , but can't admit it ... they blindly follow trumpski, they don't know what a mistake getting out of the Iran Deal is.. trumpy wants to undo all of Obama's legislature because Obama insulted him... so you back up trump in order to appeal to his never ending vanity... the only thing most of you say when asked why you back trumpy is 'well he ain't black'....

... can some one write in your own words why the Iran Deal should be voided ??? and don't write 'I support trump voiding the Iran deal because my leader told me to'.....

Lol, noone is using that reason for supporting The Great Trump

Obama didnt just insult trump, he insulted all of america
 
I'm on the fence about the Iranian deal. I can't say that it was poorly struck nor can I really say pulling out was bad. The deal prevented them from performing weapons grade enrichment to far below a significant level and also prevented them from stockpiling it. We didn't really get the shit end of the stick. We actually didn't give up anything. The deal was good for 10 years and all we did was lift sanctions.

While I'm not a fan of Iran and the douche bag Ayatollah Khomeini (why is he not dead yet wtf) with all of his Muslim purist bullshit that wants to keep everyone in the Stone Age, it doesn't seem like leaving the deal will matter. Iran would have to worry about all other countries if it pulls away, so it is in their best interest to stay on board like they said they will.

Reagan set the stage for these coups all over the world. It was basically his administration that strong armed many countries world wide to elect leaders that would be puppets for the U.S. and be unpopular among their own people, destined to fail like many have. That just created a future burden and the perception that America is always in the world's business that we deal with today. Reagan looked good from the outside, but his involvement and manipulation of other weaker governments was poor decision making that made people suffer. Not a fan of Reagan
 
... can some one write in your own words why the Iran Deal should be voided ??? and don't write 'I support trump voiding the Iran deal because my leader told me to'.....

Two words: American hostages.
 
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I'm on the fence about the Iranian deal. I can't say that it was poorly struck nor can I really say pulling out was bad. The deal prevented them from performing weapons grade enrichment to far below a significant level and also prevented them from stockpiling it. We didn't really get the shit end of the stick. We actually didn't give up anything. The deal was good for 10 years and all we did was lift sanctions.

While I'm not a fan of Iran and the douche bag Ayatollah Khomeini (why is he not dead yet wtf) with all of his Muslim purist bullshit that wants to keep everyone in the Stone Age, it doesn't seem like leaving the deal will matter. Iran would have to worry about all other countries if it pulls away, so it is in their best interest to stay on board like they said they will.

Reagan set the stage for these coups all over the world. It was basically his administration that strong armed many countries world wide to elect leaders that would be puppets for the U.S. and be unpopular among their own people, destined to fail like many have. That just created a future burden and the perception that America is always in the world's business that we deal with today. Reagan looked good from the outside, but his involvement and manipulation of other weaker governments was poor decision making that made people suffer. Not a fan of Reagan
Just last week Israel proved that Iran is still producing weapons grade nuclear plutonium.

That is the problem
 
Well all I can say is this will have N Korea quivering in their boots.

What a fucking joke for a president we have.


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I think youve just gotten too accustomed to having a weak president in the white house, thats something we should never accept as the norm

You should really just toss the pamphlets in trash
 
I'm on the fence about the Iranian deal. I can't say that it was poorly struck nor can I really say pulling out was bad. The deal prevented them from performing weapons grade enrichment to far below a significant level and also prevented them from stockpiling it. We didn't really get the shit end of the stick. We actually didn't give up anything. The deal was good for 10 years and all we did was lift sanctions.

While I'm not a fan of Iran and the douche bag Ayatollah Khomeini (why is he not dead yet wtf) with all of his Muslim purist bullshit that wants to keep everyone in the Stone Age, it doesn't seem like leaving the deal will matter. Iran would have to worry about all other countries if it pulls away, so it is in their best interest to stay on board like they said they will.

Reagan set the stage for these coups all over the world. It was basically his administration that strong armed many countries world wide to elect leaders that would be puppets for the U.S. and be unpopular among their own people, destined to fail like many have. That just created a future burden and the perception that America is always in the world's business that we deal with today. Reagan looked good from the outside, but his involvement and manipulation of other weaker governments was poor decision making that made people suffer. Not a fan of Reagan

I thought pulling out was always the best option....

Do you really trust that they were complying? Im not so sure
 
Why this should be voided.... It was never even signed by Iran! You think they would comply with nothing legally binding?


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Iran hates us and will do anything to try and destroy us. You literally are aligning yourself with our enemy if you want to help Iran.
 
Iran hates us and will do anything to try and destroy us. You literally are aligning yourself with our enemy if you want to help Iran.

We’ve been helping all these countries for a very long time. We buy their oil and sell them weapons, military aircraft and commercial planes. What do they do in return? Break a chunk off in our ass. I don’t think it’s ever going to stop brother.


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Just last week Israel proved that Iran is still producing weapons grade nuclear plutonium.

That is the problem

I think they just released documents from Iran that stated they still have the intent to build nuclear weapons, not that they are doing it now, nor violating the terms. I know under the deal, the UN watchdog organization (can't remember the name) can inspect anywhere that Iran has disclosed as a plutonium enrichment site. The keyword is disclosed. They can also request to visit a site they suspect is enriching plutonium, which gives Iran a few weeks to comply with. That includes military bases if it is suspected of housing an enrichment center. There is no way they could clean up a site from the radioactive material in a couple weeks. Either way, if they denied the request or tried to clean up, they get sanctioned.

I thought pulling out was always the best option....

Do you really trust that they were complying? Im not so sure

There is one thing I know about Muslim culture (in that part of the world specifically, not everywhere) and that is they regularly lie. Even if one is wrong and caught red handed, it is more honorable to lie about what happened than be humiliated. That is just the way they are. Lying is a cultural thing. I don't find Iran to be an honorable country enough to voluntarily disclose all enrichment sites, but having access to their country through inspections at least gives us the ability to be on the ground there. We haven't seen any proof they have violated the deal up to this point.




I'm not saying the deal or leaving it was good or bad. Hard to say. The point is that we apparently got the shit end of the stick, but the only talking points are ballistic missile development and the 10 year timeline which isn't permanent. Once the ten years is up, we sanction them again, go to war (which would be stupid. Enough of our guys died overseas for nothing in the last 15 years), or renew the deal. As far as the ballistic missile program, just sanction them on that until they give up. Coin a separate deal for it.
 
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