Wish the younger guys would listen

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I am 46 and have been on gear since 2007. I had terrible habits pertaining to PCT and time off cycle. I cruised and blasted my HPTA into submission. TRT is my lot till death which is what it is, I simply wish I had a more effective way to convey to young guys the importance of staying natty until approaching 30 or at least cycling properly, meaning time off and proper PCT protocols!
 

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Hey Big R...
Yeah,some just don't understand things like AI's..or the importance of Just Test first 2 cycles or the necessary bloodwork needed to dial things in..
Some have to learn the hard way..

We do try our best to explain WHY..
But many think it's a race...not a Journey..
They either screw up so bad or finally realize 5 compounds is a total waste of $$$..
Or just leave..because we don't praise dumb shit..and shoot straight.

Just have to let them go their own path..
Most end up back..humbled..and then ready to do it right..and some become weather and worn-out..
But..can fix stupid..Right?? Lol
Z..
 

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I use to help offer advise on all newbie posts but I gave up. Once they made up their mind nothing anyone can do to change it.

Tons of info on the internet. They need to do the work and prepare for what they are about to do. My first cycle was 500mg of sus 250 with 4 weeks of Nolva back in the 80s. No body thought or helped me. I bought Dan Duchanees Anabolic Bible and read it.
 

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Unfortunately I fell into this category. I was about 24 and when I decided to do it nobody was changing my mind. Unfortunately once again I had no clue how to properly run gear and only had other gym bros who knew little more to get advice from. My son at 16 has been working out with me ( more at the beginning he does his on thing now) for a year and a half now. He asks about gear all the time. Luckily to this point he has listened to me about the importance of natural training at a young age to take advantage of just that, being young. He started at 5’6 180lbs now he is 5,11 and 165 fit as fuck. I’ll give my two cents, but I understand that young people that have made up their mind usually don’t change it. Great topic here!!!
 

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I use to help offer advise on all newbie posts but I gave up. Once they made up their mind nothing anyone can do to change it.

Tons of info on the internet. They need to do the work and prepare for what they are about to do. My first cycle was 500mg of sus 250 with 4 weeks of Nolva back in the 80s. No body thought or helped me. I bought Dan Duchanees Anabolic Bible and read it.
my First was sustanon 🤘
 

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I use to help offer advise on all newbie posts but I gave up. Once they made up their mind nothing anyone can do to change it.

Tons of info on the internet. They need to do the work and prepare for what they are about to do. My first cycle was 500mg of sus 250 with 4 weeks of Nolva back in the 80s. No body thought or helped me. I bought Dan Duchanees Anabolic Bible and read it.
I still try..and will continue...
If only one listens...It's a Win..
I totally remember those old on your own days..hard lessons learned. HARD..
Funny, Wise we could have been real Brothers back then..
I agree with 95% of everything you say..
My hats off to you for still stepping on stage..
Z...
 

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IMO give advice when asked.

Otherwise it isn’t received well.

Roads are paved with good intentions….

The moment anyone thinks they know it all? They become a fool.

We can always learn something. Be a student of life.
 

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I agree here..I try to stay away from 1st cycle advice,usually guys do have there mind up,reading on guys that have success w a cycle after years of tweaking things & learning what works..
My 1st was deca only,but my 1st really great cycle when I got older & wiser,with training/diet I did 250 sustanon e4d.
 

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Like Audi's..trying to reinvent the Wheel..
Never ends Well..Never..
Z...
 

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We were all young... once.
The kids still dont listen.
 

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Lol..yea they proud...never had a benz,BMW 2x,didn't care for them..my lady wants vw atlas,Germans do make good cars,but all pricey
 

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Don't get an Audi or VW..same company pretty much...straight crap..
If you're going to pay Porsche prices..drive a Porsche..
The repairs are higher than my C class..
And not half as good..
Z...
 

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Most..maybe 60-70%...return to the board with horror stories and nearly dead..
Then..they start listening..
It's a youth knows better thing...I did it too..
Z...
 

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There are so many first cycle posts here that is crazy. Al a newbie has to do is search “first cycle” and read the posts. What does everyone recommend test only with PCT so what’s so difficult about that. I’ll tell what is,

When the newbie just started lifting

Either overweight or very skinny

Crap diet

No blood work

Wants to add oral and possibly another injection

Too young

I don’t waste my time. Best question is when do I see results after my injection
 

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Fd up part is they come on and ask for advice or to be critiqued,but when guys start posting advice ,they think they getting grilled or shit on..
Why ask for advice is don't really want it from older/experienced guys
Some people already know what they want to hear & can't take criticism ,man you in for a long tough life little guy.
 

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I know back when I was 17 years old… no one was going to tell me anything. I was older for my age, stubborn, knew everything, and I wasn’t listening to anything that didn’t have my own narrative. Now all these years later that was a major negative mark on me as it would have been smarter to listen to guys who have been there. Also back then we didn’t have the internet, boards, internet guru’s and the millions of pages at our fingertips in a moments notice.

You were going off what others said, what they did and what advice they gave you. If you were a little older and smarter you’d question certain advice and ask more questions on others. But at the end of the day I was doing what I wanted and that was it. Yes times have changed and it does make more sense that in 2022 you have all this experience lumped together on one board… it would make sense to have them listen. However, most are on their own paths and journeys just like a lot of us were on. We learned… unfortunately some of us learned the hard way.

If anyone coming on this thread reading this and you’re just starting out… stop for a second. Go back and reread what these men are telling you through their posts. There is a right or wrong way to do this… do it right and you can go insanely far… do it wrong you’re going to end up no maxing out your potential, watching others pass by you, more than likely have health related problems that WILL stop you from running gear in the future.
 

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No..No..
They always know better..
They Want to be Praised for cracking the code of more is always Better..
Yrs ago we would start the charcoal, get the marshmallows..grill the living Hell out of them...those days are gone..but like Wolves..we thinned the Pack..
Miss those days..alot..
Z...
 

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Get Shredded!
That's how you keep JJ reading post..
Wait for It......almost there..come on JJ..
LOL
Z...
 

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I am 46 and have been on gear since 2007. I had terrible habits pertaining to PCT and time off cycle. I cruised and blasted my HPTA into submission. TRT is my lot till death which is what it is, I simply wish I had a more effective way to convey to young guys the importance of staying natty until approaching 30 or at least cycling properly, meaning time off and proper PCT protocols!

Amen... I tell younger guys all the time to wait
 

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Lately..we've had a run of older ,above 40 running Tren on their First Cycle..
Straight dumbasses..
One left the Forum ,because I didn't praise him, Yeah, fuck that..
Z...
 

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Shit...JJ just started listening last month..lol
Z.
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That's how you keep JJ reading post..
Wait for It......almost there..come on JJ..
LOL
Z...
😂😂😂
I just saw this now hahaha! I just started listening a week ago Z!

Kidding lol. We both know it’s true… trying to tell the younger guys it’s almost impossible at times. Still won’t stop trying but I feel like they’re on their own journey in a way
 

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There's no reason to make gross errors like that, with so many Vets with decades of experience on this Board..
I still learn new stuff all-the-time..still being teachable and a scoop of humility goes along way..and a dash of humor..

Great day at the Gym, today..but as I looked around, stupid shit being done..I turn up my Burt Backerack and move On..lol
I mean, who do I look like, Jan Micheal Vincent..lol
Z...
 

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I wish I had someone knowledgeable in my ear when I started probably wouldn't of made so many mistakes. Does seem like alot of new members have their mind made up and they will have to learn the hard way.

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Lately..we've had a run of older ,above 40 running Tren on their First Cycle..
Straight dumbasses..
One left the Forum ,because I didn't praise him, Yeah, fuck that..
Z...
So many people that talk to me about gear can't wait to try tren it's made out to be this miracle drug no-one tells ppl about the harsh sides. I'm not gana lie thou tren is one amazing drug lol. Beauty is pain lol likenthr women say....

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Damn phone..
So many lean on gear..
Train like a 12 yr old girl and eat pizza n beer..and get 3 hrs of sleep..
Not me...
I'm using my knowledge to push great food and high intensity training..with many Recovery Protocols...

It's like 350lb people waiting for a magic pill to loose weight..never going happen..
Z...
 
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