Everyone's numbers will vary slightly. I will say however, that you total T should be much higher than 2700ng/dL if you're running 600mg a week. Your levels will peak around the 4 week mark and hold steady from there on out. 500mg a week (250mg 2X/wk) puts me around 3400ng/dL. Yours may vary, but that's just a reference.
Here's a confirmation of that 4-week mark for equilibrium, in some graphs about midway down the page:
http://www.consultdrminas.com/aesthetic/hrt.html
I can't tell what the source of the data is however. The 7-day half-life used for test-e and c aren't quite accurate in my experience either -- it should be 5.5 days, but not a huge difference in the outcome.
Would you know which test would show the actual amount of test in the blood instead of topping out at 1500. I order a testosterone only blood serum test but ended up with a >1500 reading.
Joz gave you the good, short info but here's more if you want it. Sticky #1 in the Lab Testing forum:
http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/forumdisplay.php/38-Lab-Testing
Yeah Im interested in the mean serum level of testosterone during a cycle. I should have rephrased that. In order to know whether or not my stuff is underdosed I know I should have approximately 2400 ng/dl total testosterone towards the end of my cycle when it has "peaked". Essentially, id like to know when this peak does occur so if the gear is underdosed I would know sooner rather than later.
Now I do have a science background but I am lost as the way you guys throw the term half life around and the term "active half life". Any amount of the hormone after any amount of half lives is always active. Perhaps you guys mean effective half life?
Also, since enanthate is released from a depot I assume the half life does not take effect until the release so we must know a release rate AND the half life to scientifically determine the increase in serum testosterone levels.
OR. It can just be measured directly as a functin of time, which is the informatin Im looking for.
Free and total testosterone levels over 3 months at 300mg 2x week enanthate injections as a function of time. Any data out there?
Judging from the blood level charts above, you'll reach a peak test level on any day immediately after a pin after 4 weeks into the cycle. It takes about a day for the pin to take full effect, the "depot delay". This will put you at the peak of a tooth on the sawtooth curve. Bear in mind that the protocol results in the Lab Testing forum don't work this way -- blood draw is always 7 days after the last pin, so you'll expect a reading then that is about half of the peak.
"Active half life" appears to be a fat-fingered non-scientific concept put into a list that has had a lot of travel in the steroid forums, and unfortunately it's polluted the discussion. The list is apparently the "active lives", not half lives, meaning the time it takes for the drug to decay to 25% of peak blood level (an arbitrary mark) at which point we decide it's no longer effective. This is two half lives so the numbers should be double the actual serum half lives. E.g. test-e H/L is 5.5 days so the active life is 11 days. This sorta matches the 10-14 days bandied around in that "active half life" list.
Unfortunately that particular list appears to have some fabricated numbers where the theory of ester length equalling a tightly predictable half-life was adhered to, so test-e shows one half-life and test-c shows another about 20% longer. The data don't support this. Both esters have the same half life in actual studies. The ester length does matter but not in a linearly predictable manner. So, we have to be suspicious of all the other "data" in that list.
And yeah there's a depot contribution to the half-life but I haven't found a lot of info on it. I suspect it's 1.5 days or so on average, pushing the 5.5 h/l of test-e to 7 days if measuring from the last pin.
In "free fall" mode, what I call the non-pinning decay of test-e with no depot effect, I've had several lab tests showing a 5.5 day h/l very consistently. This may vary a little from dude to dude but studies I've seen don't seem to show a lot of variation here. As for the depot, that would seem to vary more: Did it go into muscle and not fat? (A common issue with dorsal glute pins.) Is the dude a high- or low-metabolism sort? Is he reacting to the oils or not? I'm just speculating but it would be interesting to know how these things throw the curves.
I'd like to see a hell of a lot more charts too but there just isn't much since using testosterone as a PED is illegal, and TRT is still somewhat of a new industry and usually keeps doses low in any case. The best chance we have to get solid data is to do our own blood work and post results in this forum.
