• Hello, please REGISTER and become a member of our community! You will then be able to start threads, post comments and send messages to other members. Thanks!

Var or tren to finish cycle off?

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
Get Shredded!
Running test and mast right now. Just noticed I have a little fat around my belly button. No wear else it seems. Diets in check. I was planning on adding tren or var to finish off the cycle. Either 100 mgs tren a week. Or var 25 mg a day. Nothing crazy.

My main concern is cardio and heart healthy. Which would be better.
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
Running test and mast right now. Just noticed I have a little fat around my belly button. No wear else it seems. Diets in check. I was planning on adding tren or var to finish off the cycle. Either 100 mgs tren a week. Or var 25 mg a day. Nothing crazy.

My main concern is cardio and heart healthy. Which would be better.
Before I even attempt to throw any suggestions, I'd like to ask how old are you? And what's the long-term goal? We have to do what's necessary, but is there a particular reason why (like a time frame or date for particular reason), or is this just stubborn fat that's sitting around in general?

LOW dose ace does wonders.

Var is far more health friendly at low dosages.
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
Before I even attempt to throw any suggestions, I'd like to ask how old are you? And what's the long-term goal? We have to do what's necessary, but is there a particular reason why (like a time frame or date for particular reason), or is this just stubborn fat that's sitting around in general?

LOW dose ace does wonders.

Var is far more health friendly at low dosages.
31 been blasting cruising for 7 years. Mainly do low dose stuff now only do 1 cycle a year. 5'10 215-220lb around 11 percent
 

Jbswole40

Board Rep
Joined
Jun 19, 2022
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
2,110
Points
113
Running test and mast right now. Just noticed I have a little fat around my belly button. No wear else it seems. Diets in check. I was planning on adding tren or var to finish off the cycle. Either 100 mgs tren a week. Or var 25 mg a day. Nothing crazy.

My main concern is cardio and heart healthy. Which would be better.
Just do more cardio,maybe add gw,be patient. Dial down calories. "My conservative answer"..really if you wanna run that.you can run both at those doses and probably not have sides..
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
Just do more cardio,maybe add gw,be patient. Dial down calories. "My conservative answer"..really if you wanna run that.you can run both at those doses and probably not have sides..
Thanks man yea being I only do 1 cycle a year I planned on adding one or the other. Don't want to run both so just want to pick one
 

Jbswole40

Board Rep
Joined
Jun 19, 2022
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
2,110
Points
113
Anavar definitely safer/USER friendly, but tren A at low dose can also get the job done with minimal sides,test/tren/mast is an awesome stack..good luck bro
 

jrogers2232008

Registered User
Registered Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2022
Messages
182
Reaction score
77
Points
28
Before I even attempt to throw any suggestions, I'd like to ask how old are you? And what's the long-term goal? We have to do what's necessary, but is there a particular reason why (like a time frame or date for particular reason), or is this just stubborn fat that's sitting around in general?

LOW dose ace does wonders.

Var is far more health friendly at low dosages.
32 and obviously Gain A little bit more size at 231 lbs then drop it down to a lean 10 percent around 215-218 pounds. I already purchased the compounds just because of shortages and preferred brands. There is healthier routes I could take but the majority of VAR "not all var" is counterfeit.
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
32 and obviously Gain A little bit more size at 231 lbs then drop it down to a lean 10 percent around 215-218 pounds. I already purchased the compounds just because of shortages and preferred brands. There is healthier routes I could take but the majority of VAR "not all var" is counterfeit.
Well you'll know right away if your var is legit.. if you start retaining you know what's up. But if you're staying nice and tight, with killer pumps then it's a good sign.
32 and health is your priority, I envy you, truly.. I mean that.
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
Well you'll know right away if your var is legit.. if you start retaining you know what's up. But if you're staying nice and tight, with killer pumps then it's a good sign.
32 and health is your priority, I envy you, truly.. I mean that.
Thats a different dude highjacked my thread haha
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
Thats a different dude highjacked my thread haha
Man that mother fucker, I thought that was you for a moment. I don't have my glasses on and this is twice now today, son of a bitch.. haha
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
Thats a different dude highjacked my thread haha
Haha but ironically enough I would have said the same thing to you. You're not that far off in age then kind of the same circumstance.. haha
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
Haha but ironically enough I would have said the same thing to you. You're not that far off in age then kind of the same circumstance.. haha
Lmao. I asked my supplier last time he checked his var raws and said not since 2019 when he switched raws. So I'm a little sketches out. I know the tren is g2g. So in a little predicament haha
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
Lmao. I asked my supplier last time he checked his var raws and said not since 2019 when he switched raws. So I'm a little sketches out. I know the tren is g2g. So in a little predicament haha
No way bro stay far away from that.
I'm not trying to sell you anything, but PSL has EP and they have been tested quite often in fact anavar is one of their best sellers.
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
No way bro stay far away from that.
I'm not trying to sell you anything, but PSL has EP and they have been tested quite often in fact anavar is one of their best sellers.
So think maybe try tren was thinking 25 mg eod? I have what I think is svt. Get it from time to time so don't want to strain the heart.
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
So think maybe try tren was thinking 25 mg eod? I have what I think is svt. Get it from time to time so don't want to strain the heart.
That's interesting that you mentioned those dosages, that was going to be my recommendation anywhere between 25-35 mgs EOD.
It's not aggressive, and it's just enough to do the job.
Ace at 25 mgs EOD is more powerful than 500mg of test. So that should say something.
Not this past January but the one before, I was coming off a major layoff because of covid shutdown. It wasn't the worst but it was one of the worst conditions that I allowed my body to get to.
Trt test Cyp, 25-35mg EOD of ace, just 4 weeks and I pulled down nice and tight. Hi cardio and being in a caloric deficit was one of the driving forces, but the Ace truly help propelled it. Ive been in a similar situation once before doing a mirror image plan, and in comparison with the second time around using the ace there is a major difference.. but I also had low dose var running in the background this well, with an over-the-counter supplement stim, now I can't remember the name of the company off hand but it was a bodybuilding type supplement stim/brand. For the Love of me I can't remember the name. But IML has a phenomenal one, maybe the addition of that on top of things just for a quick three or four week blitz will pull that stubborn fat right off.. when I say blitz, I mean a quick one. This way you're not uncomfortable and it's a quick blast to the metabolism.
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
That's interesting that you mentioned those dosages, that was going to be my recommendation anywhere between 25-35 mgs EOD.
It's not aggressive, and it's just enough to do the job.
Ace at 25 mgs EOD is more powerful than 500mg of test. So that should say something.
Not this past January but the one before, I was coming off a major layoff because of covid shutdown. It wasn't the worst but it was one of the worst conditions that I allowed my body to get to.
Trt test Cyp, 25-35mg EOD of ace, just 4 weeks and I pulled down nice and tight. Hi cardio and being in a caloric deficit was one of the driving forces, but the Ace truly help propelled it. Ive been in a similar situation once before doing a mirror image plan, and in comparison with the second time around using the ace there is a major difference.. but I also had low dose var running in the background this well, with an over-the-counter supplement stim, now I can't remember the name of the company off hand but it was a bodybuilding type supplement stim/brand. For the Love of me I can't remember the name. But IML has a phenomenal one, maybe the addition of that on top of things just for a quick three or four week blitz will pull that stubborn fat right off.. when I say blitz, I mean a quick one. This way you're not uncomfortable and it's a quick blast to the metabolism.
Cool thanks man! You didn't think that should have any negative affects on heart? At that dose
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
That's interesting that you mentioned those dosages, that was going to be my recommendation anywhere between 25-35 mgs EOD.
It's not aggressive, and it's just enough to do the job.
Ace at 25 mgs EOD is more powerful than 500mg of test. So that should say something.
Not this past January but the one before, I was coming off a major layoff because of covid shutdown. It wasn't the worst but it was one of the worst conditions that I allowed my body to get to.
Trt test Cyp, 25-35mg EOD of ace, just 4 weeks and I pulled down nice and tight. Hi cardio and being in a caloric deficit was one of the driving forces, but the Ace truly help propelled it. Ive been in a similar situation once before doing a mirror image plan, and in comparison with the second time around using the ace there is a major difference.. but I also had low dose var running in the background this well, with an over-the-counter supplement stim, now I can't remember the name of the company off hand but it was a bodybuilding type supplement stim/brand. For the Love of me I can't remember the name. But IML has a phenomenal one, maybe the addition of that on top of things just for a quick three or four week blitz will pull that stubborn fat right off.. when I say blitz, I mean a quick one. This way you're not uncomfortable and it's a quick blast to the metabolism.
Just worried about LVH. Not sure if 4 weeks can really do any harm at that dose though. I've had high BP in the past for years. Under control now. Do want to get tested to make sure I don't have it but it's in the back of my head that maybe I do?
 

Jbswole40

Board Rep
Joined
Jun 19, 2022
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
2,110
Points
113
Yea bro bp serious issue.low dose shouldn't see much problems arise.dont over think things you can create more anxiety, elevated bp that way,the mind is strong.so just monitor your bp as you feel.
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
Cool thanks man! You didn't think that should have any negative affects on heart? At that dose
I'm not a Dr or a specialists; therefore I can't give any medical advice or suggestions, but I personally don't see it being of extreme or stressing for a short duration.
If health is truly a concern, it may weigh to heavy on the back of your mind the entire time, making it too uncomfortable and it won't be a good experience.
IMO, I'd rather be mentally sharp and crisp, if something troubles me and gives me grief, I get rid of whatever or whomever it is in my life, or make changes in what I'm doing..

A piece of mind and well being is always the highest and most import goal I ever set for myself.. Having your side of the street clean, is a great feeling man.. Get what I'm saying.

I feel this its a bit taxing on your just bouncing this around, my true honest opinion.. Stick it out with your current plan, it may not happen tomorrow, but tomorrow and the days after will be much more enjoyable. Why stress over something so trivial in the grand scheme of things? You sanity and mental wellness should be first and foremost.. Worrying robs us of our motivation and strength..
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
I'm not a Dr or a specialists; therefore I can't give any medical advice or suggestions, but I personally don't see it being of extreme or stressing for a short duration.
If health is truly a concern, it may weigh to heavy on the back of your mind the entire time, making it too uncomfortable and it won't be a good experience.
IMO, I'd rather be mentally sharp and crisp, if something troubles me and gives me grief, I get rid of whatever or whomever it is in my life, or make changes in what I'm doing..

A piece of mind and well being is always the highest and most import goal I ever set for myself.. Having your side of the street clean, is a great feeling man.. Get what I'm saying.

I feel this its a bit taxing on your just bouncing this around, my true honest opinion.. Stick it out with your current plan, it may not happen tomorrow, but tomorrow and the days after will be much more enjoyable. Why stress over something so trivial in the grand scheme of things? You sanity and mental wellness should be first and foremost.. Worrying robs us of our motivation and strength..
So your think just keep the test and mast? I ordered a test kit from labmax to test the var but won't be here until a week so I can always wait for that. The tren I'm just not sure how I'll react but also if I get sides I can drop it quick and ittl be out of me fast. My job is taxing on my body and need my cardio and endurance for it so that's my concern as well
 

Vision

Team supervisor P.S.L.
Staff member
Super Moderator
Joined
Aug 20, 2013
Messages
23,168
Reaction score
11,827
Points
113
Get Shredded!
So your think just keep the test and mast? I ordered a test kit from labmax to test the var but won't be here until a week so I can always wait for that. The tren I'm just not sure how I'll react but also if I get sides I can drop it quick and ittl be out of me fast. My job is taxing on my body and need my cardio and endurance for it so that's my concern as well
Low dose tren won't cripple you that much, but the plan of doing so might.

I'd say, just for a piece of mind stick out the test/mast make an adjustment else where.. Maybe early AM fasted cardio. Maybe scale back macros on OFF days.
This is still considered putting in the work, its not a short cut. Worst case, you learn something new about yourself while doing a short hard push.

Fire up that metabolism, get this timbers burning, AM cardio fasted will set you up for better partitioning for the rest of the day with the furnace burning. Just saying. (y)
 

Jbswole40

Board Rep
Joined
Jun 19, 2022
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
2,110
Points
113
So your think just keep the test and mast? I ordered a test kit from labmax to test the var but won't be here until a week so I can always wait for that. The tren I'm just not sure how I'll react but also if I get sides I can drop it quick and ittl be out of me fast. My job is taxing on my body and need my cardio and endurance for it so that's my concern as well
I'm say this,I also have a very physical job,taxing on body yes,heavy lifting +15000 steps a day on top of technical issues / logistics, also hot as hell,I drop tren after 4 or 5 weeks regardless, 200-350 a week,I am currently doing 25mg ed,cardio still on,not sweating profusely at night,appetite and libido strong,regardless everyone responds differently
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
I'm say this,I also have a very physical job,taxing on body yes,heavy lifting +15000 steps a day on top of technical issues / logistics, also hot as hell,I drop tren after 4 or 5 weeks regardless, 200-350 a week,I am currently doing 25mg ed,cardio still on,not sweating profusely at night,appetite and libido strong,regardless everyone responds differently
Sounds good man yes was thinking 25 mg eod. Just worried about the LVH I think I may have this is just me guessing haha. But wondering how that dose would impact the heart if say I do have it.
 

zionoir626

Registered User
Registered Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2013
Messages
7,669
Reaction score
5,880
Points
113
That damn Vis guy...
Lost my glasses,welfare checks and now can't remember who he's talking too..
Maybe there's a 12 step program out there that can help..
You know admitting you have a problem is the Biggest Part..

Not sure who's easier Vis or Rod..
Z...
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
That damn Vis guy...
Lost my glasses,welfare checks and now can't remember who he's talking too..
Maybe there's a 12 step program out there that can help..
You know admitting you have a problem is the Biggest Part..

Not sure who's easier Vis or Rod..
Z...
So went with my first pin of 25 mg. So gonna do that eod. I'm on 300 test 300 mast and now this. Only gonna run it for 4 weeks so how my body reacts. Should I take a baby aspirin in case a day? Also getting bloods done Tues so if blood work looks sketchy I'll drop it also.
 

Jbswole40

Board Rep
Joined
Jun 19, 2022
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
2,110
Points
113
Sounds good man yes was thinking 25 mg eod. Just worried about the LVH I think I may have this is just me guessing haha. But wondering how that dose would impact the heart if say I do have it.
No 1 can say for sure..I'm not a dr..personally I think you may be reading in to it to much,worrying yourself.so you say your goal is cardio & heart health,also loosing last stubborn fat..my suggestion is same as my 1st post,lower calories, lots cardio,fasted,mayb add gw 20mg ed.and work your ass off,var & tren will not do it for you.
 

Jbswole40

Board Rep
Joined
Jun 19, 2022
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
2,110
Points
113
So went with my first pin of 25 mg. So gonna do that eod. I'm on 300 test 300 mast and now this. Only gonna run it for 4 weeks so how my body reacts. Should I take a baby aspirin in case a day? Also getting bloods done Tues so if blood work looks sketchy I'll drop it also.
Maybe early to see things in bloodwork..good luck to you.let us know how you make out 😃
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
Maybe early to see things in bloodwork..good luck to you.let us know how you make out 😃
Haha well I'm on week 10 of the test and mast so just want to make sure things aren't too crazy. Then add that light dose of tren for 4 weeks then call it good.

Any yea your def right don't need the tren. I'm gonna be coming off for a while after this. Starting a family with the wifey so trying for kids after this so who knows how long that'll take. So kind of just wanted to push it a bit further. I do got to say I'm already worried about the tren haha but hopefully that'll subside. No tren cough though
 

Jbswole40

Board Rep
Joined
Jun 19, 2022
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
2,110
Points
113
Haha well I'm on week 10 of the test and mast so just want to make sure things aren't too crazy. Then add that light dose of tren for 4 weeks then call it good.

Any yea your def right don't need the tren. I'm gonna be coming off for a while after this. Starting a family with the wifey so trying for kids after this so who knows how long that'll take. So kind of just wanted to push it a bit further. I do got to say I'm already worried about the tren haha but hopefully that'll subside. No tren cough though
All good bro.wish you the best 👌 👍 you going do just fine.
 

Bigbadwolf04

Registered Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
38
Points
28
All good bro.wish you the best 👌 👍 you going do just fine.
Thanks I'll update on here every so and so days. More for to help me than you guys haha. 25 mg eod a good start dose you think. Ran it before when I was younger years ago at like 350 a week. Came off it after 2 weeks
 
Top