Vaccinations: Think outside the box. Think for yourself.

[ClintEastwood]

For those of you who can think for yourselves please review this link: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/center-news/2020-01-17-Event201-recommendations.html


China has a crazy influenza outbreak and it's said to be very strong and people are dyeing from it. Just prior to this outbreak Bill Gates and his wife were involved in some sort of pandemic study for combating world wide outbreaks. Beware, they'll be pushing another vaccine for us very soon if they aren't already. The Gates family have been pushing vaccines for years in Africa and they're known eugenicists. They have said openly the worlds population needs to be brought down by 80%. Again, they have openly stated this, people! We all need to wake up to dangers of eugenics. I know people will bash me as a "tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory idiot" but I don't care. Lives are stake so I'll just say it....they're trying to soft kill us...for now anyway. Even the pamphlet inside the vaccines clearly state one of the side effects is death. Remember this guys, Medical Counter Measures are vaccines and they always have them stock piled before an outbreak. Furthermore, the China outbreak is the exact location (Wuhon China) where this form of influenza was being studied. If this outbreak gets out of hand I highly suggest not taking any vaccinations. This is a man made virus and its going to be spread via MCM's and you can bet on that.

Many of you people are very strong mentally and physically and highly intelligent. Please research this crap and think outside the box. Think for yourselves. Tin foil hat off and ready for my bashing.

 

[ClintEastwood]

In before Charlie's sock puppet account logs in to bash me as an idiotic nut job. You know, because we can trust the government and all its elected officials and unelected bureaucrats. They love us so much as you can tell by the impeachment scam broadcasted 24/7. This is what they do to us, scam us constantly. The tax payers pave the way for this shit.

We need to keep in mind a pandemic might not be as reported by MSM. It could be a simple front to push their MCM's (vaccines) on us.

 

[ClintEastwood]

This is just one of the reasons the powers that be, behind the scenes, they hate this man. Watch Trump on vaccines: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...3866A05D4F66DF59F17C3866A05D4F66&&FORM=VDRVRV


Yet they impeach him without cause or reason. Well we all know why, because he goes against their grain. No I don't like everything Trump does but at least he has basic common sense.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Here is how the globalists think: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...CD8F27E4596C10552C09CD8F27E4596C&&FORM=VDRVRV


Refuse vaccines, no life, no education for your kids. They F' us in the ass in an attempt to disrupt people lives to the point they're forced to vaccinate their kids just to satisfy the state. This is illegal and a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Don't believe one word that comes out their mouths on this stuff. Vaccines are flat out proven dangerous. There is so much evidence on it I don't even know where to start. All I can say is Google it.

 

[ClintEastwood]

If any you have questions on where this crap comes from please study Agenda 21. It not a theory, it's a fact and its being implemented across the country right the F now. Trump is actually against Agenda 21 from what I can tell. Another reason they hate him I suppose.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...67DA381D1C4B8A81B8CD68CB4EDD2C&sp=1&form=QBVR

I know I'm still ranting but damn it people need to know what's going on. This is population control guys, flat out.

 

[Milford King]

Yeah, until your kids dying from polio or malaria or cancer, then you’ll appreciate modern medicine. Science saves life’s, it is a tool.

don’t be an anti-vaxxer.... next thing you know you’ll be voting for Bernie Sanders and having orgies with dudes

 

[ClintEastwood]

Yeah, until your kids dying from polio or malaria or cancer, then you’ll appreciate modern medicine. Science saves life’s, it is a tool.

don’t be an anti-vaxxer.... next thing you know you’ll be voting for Bernie Sanders and having orgies with dudes

I wouldn't call myself an anit-vaxxer by no means. I'm merely saying think for yourself and do your own research. What I do with my health may not be for you, that's cool. I'll also tell you there's no way in hell I'd vote for a commie like Bernie Sanders.
One other fact for you bro, its been scientifically proven there are cancer cells and mercury in some vaccines. Proven fact, bro....don't believe me read up on it. That's what I'm trying to say. Read!

 

[ClintEastwood]

Yeah, until your kids dying from polio or malaria or cancer, then you’ll appreciate modern medicine. Science saves life’s, it is a tool.

don’t be an anti-vaxxer.... next thing you know you’ll be voting for Bernie Sanders and having orgies with dudes

Take a look at the very bottom of my original link. Look at the names assigned to lead Bill's foundation. Every single one of them are hard core globalists. They're lying to you, man. Research their names and see what they're about. You'll quickly learn what I'm telling you is true. These NGO foundations are assisting governments in implementing Agenda 21. This is about controlling every single aspect of human life. It's not some conspiracy theory it's well a documented fact and it's right under your nose. If you hate socialism and the forms of government Bernie and his comrades promote then study Agenda 21.

Here's just one line out of about a million on that subject. Please watch it.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...arch?q=the+truth+about+angenda+21&FORM=HDRSC3

 

[Milford King]

I wouldn't call myself an anit-vaxxer by no means. I'm merely saying think for yourself and do your own research. What I do with my health may not be for you, that's cool. I'll also tell you there's no way in hell I'd vote for a commie like Bernie Sanders.
One other fact for you bro, its been scientifically proven there are cancer cells and mercury in some vaccines. Proven fact, bro....don't believe me read up on it. That's what I'm trying to say. Read!

I know man. Chemo itself is carcinogenic. My daughters on it for the next 2.5 years.

all I’m saying is as far as not trusting the elite/government I’m with you 100%. But scientists and doctors don’t get involved in research to kill kids. We’ve come along way. Viruses and bacteria evolve very rapidly. It’s a double edged sword but we really have to stay on top of it as humans.

there are other means of population control that are far more humane. Like turning everyone gay. Which is what we are trying to do by confusing children’s with 87 made up genders. But I’m getting off topic.

dont send your kids to public school or daycare if you don’t want to get them vaccinated against diseases that we pretty much had extinct fit the last 50 years but now are making a comeback.

also, it’s much more profitable to keep people alive.

 

[ClintEastwood]

I know man. Chemo itself is carcinogenic. My daughters on it for the next 2.5 years.

all I’m saying is as far as not trusting the elite/government I’m with you 100%. But scientists and doctors don’t get involved in research to kill kids. We’ve come along way. Viruses and bacteria evolve very rapidly. It’s a double edged sword but we really have to stay on top of it as humans.

there are other means of population control that are far more humane. Like turning everyone gay. Which is what we are trying to do by confusing children’s with 87 made up genders. But I’m getting off topic.

dont send your kids to public school or daycare if you don’t want to get them vaccinated against diseases that we pretty much had extinct fit the last 50 years but now are making a comeback.

also, it’s much more profitable to keep people alive.

All I can say bro, is I'm deeply sorry to hear of your daughter's health situation. When I say this know for a fact I'm sending prayers right now. I sincerely hope nothing I've posted today hurt you in any way. I wish to harm no one with my words, or actions for that matter. I only wish to encourage and educate people sitting on the fence. Gaining knowledge is encouraging in many ways. Prayer sent for your daughter, Milford King.

Hey one more thing, I'm happy you're not some moon-bat who can't think for himself!

 

[Milford King]

No problems man. We’re on the same team. I just thought you were talking about being against western medicines for some reason. In life, there’s no option to take the good without the bad. That’s the natural order. A man with no responsibility to act is a man who leads a meaningless life. Meaning, when you see people, especially innocent children, dying, you investigate and try to find a solution. It’s a long but worthwhile process.

most people who get involved with medical research have had tragedy motivate them to do something about it.

most humans in general are motivated through tragedy. I don’t know what it’s like to be dead, or what the afterlife is all about but I do feel like our time on earth should be spent making progress for the human condition. Not by taking people’s rights or way of life from them but through science and medical breakthroughs. It’s too bad humans are creatures of division because our potential is virtually limitless.

it’s too early for me to make any sense, even to myself. I just have to have faith that they’re humans out there that are driven by moral integrity and not ruthless, self glorifying, greedy agendas.

thank you for your prayers bro. My daughter and I have been blessed. Considering the amount of fucking up ive committed in my life, we are truly blessed.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

I will say this having worked in the Med Field.

Vaccinations in and of themselves have been weaponized, and politicized. To a degree that people have no clue what they are talking about, believe they are experts, or they don't question anything at all, they just go by what they have heard. And then they will literally attack the opposing group because they believe that "Science" has proven this. Just like how Doctors in the past would prescribe Smoking Cigarettes to Pregnant mothers to advocate healthy bodyweight, this topic too carries much risk.

We do know this. EVERY medication has sides and risks.> EVERY SINGLE ONE. That is not open for debate. Magically though in the media and with doctors Vaccines somehow get a pass. People will tell you that its better to take those risks then to risk either getting sick or infecting others. But people do die and have serious side effects all the time from these, and people infected from vaccinated people get sick and die all the time as well.

So that argument couldn't be more stupid. First and foremost, if you get the vaccine, why are you worried about getting sick? You have enough belief in it to risk potential hazards, but not enough belief in it to trust it? Who's problem is that? Second of all we know that many people who get the vaccines, not only get sick from it, but they then pass it on. Vaccinated people can still infect others. This is fact and it happens all the time.

There are also proven studies that show that different ethnicities are more likely or prone should we say to have worse side effects, or even fatal side effects from certain vaccines.

I know that vaccines originally were meant for the good of the World. The premise always was. But these aren't the single strain 1980's vaccines you and I got as a child, these new vaccines that contain multiple vaccines first and most of all, there are no long term studies at all showing how these vaccines react with the new structures. We see they use animal DNA in some of these. Metals.
I mean this is a massive issue. Massive. And the fact you can't sue BIG PHARMA and they are not financially liable is criminal in and of itself.

I am not pro Vax nor Anti Vax. I am pro choice. Let the patient have the right to choose. If you believe that vaccine you are getting is so effective then either have faith in it that it will protect you or dont get it. Medical services should NEVER be forced upon someone. Likewise this new push to force people to take Chemotherapy that have Cancer, same thing rubbish. I think vaccines in many cases can do alot of good and in many cases they can do alot of harm.

The fact is that the new Vaccines are an unfinished science. The research is not complete. It must be treated this way. Open debate for both sides must be allowed minus calling each other names or acting like one side is an Expert on the topic. Because neither is, there is way way way more to know about these then what is perceived that is really the only precise knowledge we have at this point.

 

[E.J.D]

We are all guinea pigs to the medical field. There's no way to do long term studies 25 years plus on drugs to know the effects before they come out. Push it thru the FDA and hope it doesn't kill anyone.

 

[Milford King]

I’ll take my chances with a 90% ‘cure’ rate over a Shot in the dark when it comes to modern cancer medicines. The risks don’t even come close to outweighing the benefits and to do nothing in the name of fearing the unknown is akin to failing humanity. That’s as far as cancer is concerned.

now vaccine arguments differ. There’s two different reasons why this is an ongoing debate. Immigration/open borders and anti vaxxers... this is increasing the cases of kids getting diagnosed with old diseases that have been under wraps for a long time. These viral/bacterial diseases are now given the opportunity to evolve in people, some who because of individual immunity do not get infected but rather host and spread. And vaccines are not a guarantee for anyone but they are a good second step to prevention. Sanitation being the first.

im no expert, nor have I claimed to be, and I understand the harm in over prescribing as well. I’m just saying, your kid doesn’t get a vaccination and is in public school with another kid who comes home to his newborn baby brother who cannot be vaccinated against and bam, another innocent kid dying from a preventable disease.

3 million people die from vaccine preventable diseases each year (mostly in under developed nations) 1.5 mil of them are kids under 5yrs old.

imagine how you’d feel looking into your daughters eyes while she suffers from measles or mumps or rubella or polio knowing you could have prevented that from happening.

imagine how you’d feel if your neighbors new born baby died because of it.

We all have our reasons for feeling the way we do, and I’m not condemning anything. Unfortunately, we (humans) are still figuring shit out... so we’ve reached an impasse that boils down to trust in the powers that be.

lifespans are definitely increasing, quality of life? Maybe? But either way, taking a step backwards does (in this case) nothing to reach our goals. Or maybe it somehow does.

I wasn’t trying to sound like a dick I just have an anti vaxxer for a sister and I’ve already learned these convos are dead end.

that’s just my take

 

[ckcrown84]

Vaccines are a real thing, they do resolve deadly diseases. You sir are cherry picking information from people who in turn cherry pick information.

 

[Swiper]

box here [].

Swiper outside box thinking.....

 

[GYMnTONIC]

I’ll take my chances with a 90% ‘cure’ rate over a Shot in the dark when it comes to modern cancer medicines. The risks don’t even come close to outweighing the benefits and to do nothing in the name of fearing the unknown is akin to failing humanity. That’s as far as cancer is concerned.

now vaccine arguments differ. There’s two different reasons why this is an ongoing debate. Immigration/open borders and anti vaxxers... this is increasing the cases of kids getting diagnosed with old diseases that have been under wraps for a long time. These viral/bacterial diseases are now given the opportunity to evolve in people, some who because of individual immunity do not get infected but rather host and spread. And vaccines are not a guarantee for anyone but they are a good second step to prevention. Sanitation being the first.

im no expert, nor have I claimed to be, and I understand the harm in over prescribing as well. I’m just saying, your kid doesn’t get a vaccination and is in public school with another kid who comes home to his newborn baby brother who cannot be vaccinated against and bam, another innocent kid dying from a preventable disease.

3 million people die from vaccine preventable diseases each year (mostly in under developed nations) 1.5 mil of them are kids under 5yrs old.

imagine how you’d feel looking into your daughters eyes while she suffers from measles or mumps or rubella or polio knowing you could have prevented that from happening.

imagine how you’d feel if your neighbors new born baby died because of it.

We all have our reasons for feeling the way we do, and I’m not condemning anything. Unfortunately, we (humans) are still figuring shit out... so we’ve reached an impasse that boils down to trust in the powers that be.

lifespans are definitely increasing, quality of life? Maybe? But either way, taking a step backwards does (in this case) nothing to reach our goals. Or maybe it somehow does.

I wasn’t trying to sound like a dick I just have an anti vaxxer for a sister and I’ve already learned these convos are dead end.

that’s just my take

Respect and appreciate your views as always my friend

Check this out. And I know there are studies for and against. I truly do, but what if I were to show you this? This is one study that would show that public school theme to be actually the opposite of what you might think. (I believe this was administered via nasal spray and not the injectable vaccine)

Also we have a relative (niece) who got a vaccine as a toddler and within 24 hours was paralyzed from the neck down for 3-4 weeks 100% but finally regained the ability with hosptilization. The doctors had the audacity to say the vaccine wasn't the cause. Of course it was.

But this is why my argument is simply that we don't know enough at all to know much about these new multi-faceted vaccines to reach a conclusion.



Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community


(CDC Funded Study Shows the Vaccinated Shed 6.3 Times More Flu Virus, Just by Breathing)


https://www.pnas.org/content/115/5/1081

“Self-reported vaccination for the current season was associated with a trend (P < 0.10) toward higher viral shedding in fine aerosol samples; vaccination with both the current and previous year’s seasonal vaccines, however, was significantly associated with greater fine-aerosol shedding in unadjusted and adjusted models (P < 0.01). In adjusted models, we observed 6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons.”

​

“The association of current and prior year vaccination with increased shedding of influenza A might lead one to speculate that certain types of prior immunity promote lung inflammation, airway closure, and aerosol generation. This first observation of the phenomenon needs confirmation. If confirmed, this observation, together with recent literature suggesting reduced protection with annual vaccination, would have implications for influenza vaccination recommendations and policies.”

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Explanation:



Higher viral shedding means that those who were vaccinated were breathing out more influenza virus and would be spreading it more than the unvaccinated. So when doctors, health departments, or health “authorities” like the CDC push the vaccine by saying things like “the vaccine protects you and those around you,” “everyone needs the vaccine because of ‘herd’ immunity,” or “you have to get the vaccine so you protect the very young, the elderly and the very weak/cancer patients etc.,” they would actually be lying.
6.3 times more aerosol shedding means that those who were vaccinated were spreading more virus into the air around them just by breathing when compared to those who had not received the vaccine that same year and/or the flu vaccine from the previous year. The implications of this finding now show that those who are vaccinated pose a greater risk to the immune compromised, i.e. cancer patients, the elderly and the very young and that the unvaccinated spread the disease less. In essence, the vaccine does the exact opposite of what people have been told and explains why we are seeing more and more people get sick earlier each year and more people die from the flu.

 

[Milford King]

I never used to get flu vaccine, ever. Had the flu a few times but shit my way through it like most people but after having kids ... those lil bastards are germ paradise... still, I wasn’t ‘up to date’ on any flu vaccines but now I’m kinda backed in a corner. Damned if I do , Damned if I don’t.

i will say, and I’m an expert at financial hardship so I know how hard it is to take a day off without pay, but we could all help each other out by not sending kids to school when they’re sick and by not going to work or the gym when we are sick.

I’d love to see a world where there are less things trying to kill us. Haha so that’s the plan. How do we keep the human race alive and healthy long term.

defeat disease/deviant genetic mutations/cancers
defeat famine
defeat pollution
defeat war
defeat over-population

prolly just easier to defeat the human race entirely. But that sounds boring as hell.

nah man, I appreciate you and your opinions. And I know you’ve been in the game way longer than I have when it comes to fitness and AAS and based on what you say the medical field. I don’t disagree with your view (or clints), I just know doing nothing is just as bad as doing the wrong thing in this particular case.

but I’m all for learning

 

[Necron_99]

Higher viral shedding means that those who were vaccinated were breathing out more influenza virus and would be spreading it more than the unvaccinated. So when doctors, health departments, or health “authorities” like the CDC push the vaccine by saying things like “the vaccine protects you and those around you,” “everyone needs the vaccine because of ‘herd’ immunity,” or “you have to get the vaccine so you protect the very young, the elderly and the very weak/cancer patients etc.,” they would actually be lying.
6.3 times more aerosol shedding means that those who were vaccinated were spreading more virus into the air around them just by breathing when compared to those who had not received the vaccine that same year and/or the flu vaccine from the previous year. The implications of this finding now show that those who are vaccinated pose a greater risk to the immune compromised, i.e. cancer patients, the elderly and the very young and that the unvaccinated spread the disease less. In essence, the vaccine does the exact opposite of what people have been told and explains why we are seeing more and more people get sick earlier each year and more people die from the flu.

The first time I went to China I was surprised to see so many people wearing surgical-type breathing masks. They were everywhere. I initially thought it had to do with paranoia with regard to catching infectious diseases or maybe because the air quality is poor with so much pollution. I found out it's because the person wearing the mask isn't feeling well (cold, flu, etc.) and don't want to get anyone else sick. It is considered extremely rude to be ill and not wear a mask. I never asked but wonder if it's not just culture but it could be mandatory under the law as well (they have a lot of laws like that so I wouldn't be surprised if it was). Everything regarding health care is paid for by the government over there and vaccines are mandatory (for children), but their culture/people themselves also actively participate to prevent the spread of illness by wearing these masks. It's a normal part of their culture but I don't see such a thing catching on here in the West. My point here is that adopting this practice may mitigate the viral shedding/contagion issue.

 

[E.J.D]

I never used to get flu vaccine, ever. Had the flu a few times but shit my way through it like most people but after having kids ... those lil bastards are germ paradise... still, I wasn’t ‘up to date’ on any flu vaccines but now I’m kinda backed in a corner. Damned if I do , Damned if I don’t.

i will say, and I’m an expert at financial hardship so I know how hard it is to take a day off without pay, but we could all help each other out by not sending kids to school when they’re sick and by not going to work or the gym when we are sick.

I’d love to see a world where there are less things trying to kill us. Haha so that’s the plan. How do we keep the human race alive and healthy long term.

defeat disease/deviant genetic mutations/cancers
defeat famine
defeat pollution
defeat war
defeat over-population

prolly just easier to defeat the human race entirely. But that sounds boring as hell.

nah man, I appreciate you and your opinions. And I know you’ve been in the game way longer than I have when it comes to fitness and AAS and based on what you say the medical field. I don’t disagree with your view (or clints), I just know doing nothing is just as bad as doing the wrong thing in this particular case.

but I’m all for learning

Kinda sounds like the society attempted to be had in the movie demolition man lol.
I've never had the flu vaccine or plan on it. But don't frown on people who have had them. And yes kids a cess pools of nastiness lol

 

[heavyiron]

Yeah we all inject foreign substances into our bodies every week. I'll take the vaccines. I have had so many shots its not even funny. Multiple vaccines on the same day even.

A small percentage wont do well with them but the majority work well.

 

[Daark]

just a joke guys

 

[ordawg1]

Yeah we all inject foreign substances into our bodies every week. I'll take the vaccines. I have had so many shots its not even funny. Multiple vaccines on the same day even.

A small percentage wont do well with them but the majority work well.

This is exactly how I feel- but sure doesn't hurt to study and make your own choice -OD

 

[repitup]

remember... the power that made the body can heal the body when kept at optimal health and condition

and this for the recent events

A little FYI, there is a process called zoonosis, which animal viruses are able to jump to humans. Think of the black plague among others, or what killed American Indians when pigs and horses came to the New World.
The coronavirus has jumped to humans transmission faster than any other virus in its class, because the receptors in the Chinese are absent of the Neanderthal gene. For those who study the Neanderthal gene, Indo-Europeans and Africans carry the gene R1b1 and is present in tribes such as the Buntu. This gene has protected humans for thousands of years from blood borne diseases and the ones that had viruses from animals.
The Chinese are one of the Haplogroup that are absent of this gene, which makes them more susceptible to SARS and the Coronavirus. This is why their deaths have happened so quickly, and will continue to do so till it is contained. Now, part 2, if you believe in pharmacogenomics, then you understand how this could be a biological weapon or it could be a rogue virus gone wild because their consumption of animals that are capable of carrying rabies.
This is scary either way, and if it hits the USA in droves, our best protection is that most Americans have the R1b1 gene which protects a lot of the population. The only African tribe to not have this gene is Mpoum tribe from Cameroon.
I say all of this because we really need to educate people more on science, and how a virus works because I do not want to hear about how Brenda and her essential oils can cure this. There you go.

 

[Multislacking]

I do not want to hear about how Brenda and her essential oils can cure this. There you go.

You saying arbonne is bunk?

 

[heckler7]

remember... the power that made the body can heal the body when kept at optimal health and condition

and this for the recent events

A little FYI, there is a process called zoonosis, which animal viruses are able to jump to humans. Think of the black plague among others, or what killed American Indians when pigs and horses came to the New World.
The coronavirus has jumped to humans transmission faster than any other virus in its class, because the receptors in the Chinese are absent of the Neanderthal gene. For those who study the Neanderthal gene, Indo-Europeans and Africans carry the gene R1b1 and is present in tribes such as the Buntu. This gene has protected humans for thousands of years from blood borne diseases and the ones that had viruses from animals.
The Chinese are one of the Haplogroup that are absent of this gene, which makes them more susceptible to SARS and the Coronavirus. This is why their deaths have happened so quickly, and will continue to do so till it is contained. Now, part 2, if you believe in pharmacogenomics, then you understand how this could be a biological weapon or it could be a rogue virus gone wild because their consumption of animals that are capable of carrying rabies.
This is scary either way, and if it hits the USA in droves, our best protection is that most Americans have the R1b1 gene which protects a lot of the population. The only African tribe to not have this gene is Mpoum tribe from Cameroon.
I say all of this because we really need to educate people more on science, and how a virus works because I do not want to hear about how Brenda and her essential oils can cure this. There you go.

thats interesting , I wonder if that pertains to Indians too, I read that Indians have weak livers like the Chinese and thats why alcohol affects them so much

 

[LowTman]

I will say this having worked in the Med Field.

There are also proven studies that show that different ethnicities are more likely or prone should we say to have worse side effects, or even fatal

I am not pro Vax nor Anti Vax. I am pro choice. Let the patient have the right to choose. If you believe that vaccine you are getting is so effective then either have faith in it that it will protect you or dont get it. Medical services should NEVER be forced upon someone. Likewise this new push to force people to take Chemotherapy that have Cancer, same thing rubbish. I think vaccines in many cases can do alot of good and in many cases they can do alot of harm.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, nothing is 100%. People die from tried and true proven life saving procedures, like heart surgery to unblock two Coronary Arteries that are 90% blocked. However, your “Pro Choice” idea is exactly what happened with last year’s measles outbreak. Parents chose not to vaccinate their children and they went to school and spread it to innocent children.

Are we to have Non Vaccinated schools? I don’t know the answer, just throwing this out there. Like I said, I agree with the jist of what your saying. I just don’t want those kids in my public schools.

Nothing is 100%, but I will take the flu shot that gives me 31% better chance of not getting the flu.

Thoughts, as you seem versed in this field.

LowT

 

[GYMnTONIC]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, nothing is 100%. People die from tried and true proven life saving procedures, like heart surgery to unblock two Coronary Arteries that are 90% blocked. However, your “Pro Choice” idea is exactly what happened with last year’s measles outbreak. Parents chose not to vaccinate their children and they went to school and spread it to innocent children.

Are we to have Non Vaccinated schools? I don’t know the answer, just throwing this out there. Like I said, I agree with the jist of what your saying. I just don’t want those kids in my public schools.

Nothing is 100%, but I will take the flu shot that gives me 31% better chance of not getting the flu.

Thoughts, as you seem versed in this field.

LowT

Hey man great response and much respect and appreciated. I wish the general public can just talk about this and have a rational discussion.

And yeah man Im an oddball, I know that. I am that third group, not anti VAX, not Pro Vax, but in the middle and you should see the shit people talk when they hear that. And both sides will attack LOL. That's the funny thing.

I guess my experience in the field led me to see that there are always 2 sides to every story and to always question everything you think you know.

Just like what you said about Measles. The thing is what mainstream media wont show you is we now have studies and evidence proving that Vaccinated Children also spread measles. So once again, we simply don't know in full is my continued stance.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

or this

Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011


https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/58/9/1205/2895266



So you asked my thoughts. My issue is that they don't do studies to show what % of Vaccinated Children pass and spread these illnesses or diseases for instance. And that is key to know. They just blame the unvaccinated, and it's simply not true.

You saw above that I posted a study showing the Nasal Flu Virus spreads the Flu at 6.8x higher then an unvaccinated person. I mean that is a massive concept that the mainstream simply has left out.


But I think it's unintentionally studied. Big Pharma makes big bucks off vaccines, so they want the sides swept under the carpet.


Someone else mentioned that they'd rather get the Flu Shot and have a 31% chance of not getting sick. Fact is last years Flu Shot, the FDC has stated it might have only had a 10% effectiveness rating. Now take all of those who died or had mass complications from the shot. I personally saw a woman who was healthy get a flu shot who is now paralyzed 100% from that shot.

So my thought is this, it's easy to sit back and deny sides, until you are the one. I just think we don't know enough. If both unvaccinated and vaccinated people spread these viruses, they may work very well overall, and it "might" be better to vaccinate the herd and more survive and a small % die off, but that to me is a decision I cannot make for someone else.

I had measles and chickenpox in the 80's and I had the vaccines. And it wasn't even that bad. I was uncomfortable a few days but that was it. I have always wondered how my 1980s Vaccines around the time E.T and PacMan and Atari 2600 were on the screen while I was resting up to recover covered in Calamine lotion, were ineffective...and I have no answer for that

 

[LowTman]

I wish the general public can just talk about this and have a rational discussion.

True that^^ It’s called a conversation. It is a missing quality these days.

I’d consider myself a proponent of Vaccinations. That said, I also know that nothing is 100%. And not to be open to listen and learn is just plain stupid. Good information! Some new things that you brought to life. Very interesting.

LowT

 

[ClintEastwood]

I will say this having worked in the Med Field.

Vaccinations in and of themselves have been weaponized, and politicized. To a degree that people have no clue what they are talking about, believe they are experts, or they don't question anything at all, they just go by what they have heard. And then they will literally attack the opposing group because they believe that "Science" has proven this. Just like how Doctors in the past would prescribe Smoking Cigarettes to Pregnant mothers to advocate healthy bodyweight, this topic too carries much risk.

We do know this. EVERY medication has sides and risks.> EVERY SINGLE ONE. That is not open for debate. Magically though in the media and with doctors Vaccines somehow get a pass. People will tell you that its better to take those risks then to risk either getting sick or infecting others. But people do die and have serious side effects all the time from these, and people infected from vaccinated people get sick and die all the time as well.

So that argument couldn't be more stupid. First and foremost, if you get the vaccine, why are you worried about getting sick? You have enough belief in it to risk potential hazards, but not enough belief in it to trust it? Who's problem is that? Second of all we know that many people who get the vaccines, not only get sick from it, but they then pass it on. Vaccinated people can still infect others. This is fact and it happens all the time.

There are also proven studies that show that different ethnicities are more likely or prone should we say to have worse side effects, or even fatal side effects from certain vaccines.

I know that vaccines originally were meant for the good of the World. The premise always was. But these aren't the single strain 1980's vaccines you and I got as a child, these new vaccines that contain multiple vaccines first and most of all, there are no long term studies at all showing how these vaccines react with the new structures. We see they use animal DNA in some of these. Metals.
I mean this is a massive issue. Massive. And the fact you can't sue BIG PHARMA and they are not financially liable is criminal in and of itself.

I am not pro Vax nor Anti Vax. I am pro choice. Let the patient have the right to choose. If you believe that vaccine you are getting is so effective then either have faith in it that it will protect you or dont get it. Medical services should NEVER be forced upon someone. Likewise this new push to force people to take Chemotherapy that have Cancer, same thing rubbish. I think vaccines in many cases can do alot of good and in many cases they can do alot of harm.

The fact is that the new Vaccines are an unfinished science. The research is not complete. It must be treated this way. Open debate for both sides must be allowed minus calling each other names or acting like one side is an Expert on the topic. Because neither is, there is way way way more to know about these then what is perceived that is really the only precise knowledge we have at this point.

(engages idiocracy mode) I thought people with muscles were supposed to be stupid and dumb.


LOL, great post WI. thank you!