TRT suggestions

[just1breath]

On trt for 10 weeks now. Using 200mg cyp, 100mg deca and 50mg proviron a week. Feel really good but my dht is a little high. Any suggestions?

 

[Mynuts]

Where did you get your trt protocol?

 

[just1breath]

Where did you get your trt protocol?

My doc. Originally started me on 300mg of cyp a week but my joints were achy so he gave me the new protocol. Added in proviron as I didn’t want to use an ai. Btw I’m 50, 6’5” 225lbs.

 

[Mynuts]

Maybe halve the deca. See how you go. Question is how do you really feel

 

[Jlifts]

Maybe halve the deca. See how you go. Question is how do you really feel

Deca doesn't convert to DHT, test does.

 

[just1breath]

Maybe halve the deca. See how you go. Question is how do you really feel

Deca doesn't convert to DHT, test does.

Sex drive, mental health/clarity, euphoric/happy most of the time just really tired after workouts. I can take an hour nap no problem.

With dht high, should I cut back on the proviron? Maybe 25mg a day?

 

[Mynuts]

I would definitely cut the deca in half. Forget you want information on DHT
More interested in the high prolactin and E2.
Deca gives false readings on bloods a lot of times
Hell if it was me I would cut everything down a bit but start with one at a time.
Do you take zink ?

 

[just1breath]

I would definitely cut the deca in half. Forget you want information on DHT
More interested in the high prolactin and E2.
Deca gives false readings on bloods a lot of times
Hell if it was me I would cut everything down a bit but start with one at a time.
Do you take zink ?

Yes daily zinc in the evening.

I think the high prolactin might be because I had a few good events with the wifey two days prior to the test.

Thx for your inputs guys

 

[Mynuts]

50mg a day of zinc helps keeping E2 under control. Some people need 75mg a day , I only need 25 and no more acne problems

 

[just1breath]

50mg a day of zinc helps keeping E2 under control. Some people need 75mg a day , I only need 25 and no more acne problems

I don’t have any acne, but did you think my e2 was to high or low? I thought 35 was in range?

 

[Mynuts]

You said you got proviron because you didn’t want to take an AI

Taking daily zinc will help to keep E2 under control.
My E2 is in range and I take 25mg a day. It just keeps my body from having acne out brake.
If you start to get signs of high E2 add more.
Aching joints is low E2 a lot of times so everything is all over the place.
To be really honest you should drop everything except the testosterone and drop that back to 200mg a week for 6 weeks. See how you feel and get bloods

 

[Jlifts]

You said you got proviron because you didn’t want to take an AI

Taking daily zinc will help to keep E2 under control.
My E2 is in range and I take 25mg a day. It just keeps my body from having acne out brake.
If you start to get signs of high E2 add more.
Aching joints is low E2 a lot of times so everything is all over the place.
To be really honest you should drop everything except the testosterone and drop that back to 200mg a week for 6 weeks. See how you feel and get bloods

The whole thread is about his DHT being high.

@Bambam83 @Seattlesbest @Vision could one of you guys maybe try to chime in here? I am not knowledgeable enough to offer any good advice, but it seems like the thread is getting nowhere.

 

[Mynuts]

The whole thread is about his DHT being high.

@Bambam83 @Seattlesbest @Vision could one of you guys maybe try to chime in here? I am not knowledgeable enough to offer any good advice, but it seems like the thread is getting nowhere.

Well let’s be honest
This protocol is a blast not trt.
If he wants to get his bloods fixed he really needs to drop everything, go back to a trt clinic or doctor that knows what’s right.
Testosterone total is over high
So much in the red
Prolactin in the red

150 to 175mg of testosterone a week for 6 weeks. Get bloods and report back.

I will have you feeling like a new man in no time.

 

[Vision]

On trt for 10 weeks now. Using 200mg cyp, 100mg deca and 50mg proviron a week. Feel really good but my dht is a little high. Any suggestions?

How long have you been on TRT entirely, including your previous dosages at 300?
Do you have any previous lab work any other baselines where you can make comparisons?

Something to bear in mind here, when people are on a therapeutic hormonal treatment, in your case testosterone, obviously these are exogenous synthetic hormones. These are not ours, these are not our real hormones. Our entire endocrine system, adrenal system, the entire system of checks and balances will not behave or respond like they are ours. There will be activations, and deactivations of certain enzymes within specific tissue, chitter chat and initiations with cellular groups on many levels. Things will never be never be perfect. In treatments, and with blood work it becomes a cat chase tail game. People try to perfect things and they chase numbers trying to get them within a narrow range, when in reality That's asking for a lot. So in addition, we take other drugs and medications to either speed up one process or delay another, we add and subtract other medications as well hoping to target a specific area, while at the same time it's effecting another. Waking up sleeper enzymes, or inhibiting others.

Can we add this so it can do that, can we drop this so we can do that, can we adjust this so hopefully it will do that?!?!

You are only 10 weeks in at this specific dosage, it takes time, it takes months, it takes a long time until dosages and adjustments start to really show their true face value. When looking at numbers, these are simply just a crude snapshot of what could possibly and potentially be going on within the system at that given moment, Numbers are going to change throughout the day. You are not in a controlled environment. So many potential influences and factors.

If I was to give a suggestion, Stick with your current protocol that you have outlined by your doctor, let your doctor monitor your blood work, you can be proactive and request more blood work more frequently.

You are only 10 weeks in, you owe it to yourself, and you owe it to the protocol with seeing what happens.

Your numbers are not terrible. It's not out of the ordinary or uncommon for things to be slightly out of range.

You have multiple synthetic hormones going on right now, they were always be the potential of false positives, or the overexpression in certain areas, and so on.
What matters most is how do you feel? And you said that you feel good.

Don't limit yourself with not using any AIs, not all AIs are created equal.
I was a strong advocate of arimidex for years. Changing my AI was one of the best things I ever did.

People have this misconception that AIs do not belong in TRT because of these supposed low dosages. Unfortunately enough for them, they failed to realize that this testosterone isn't even theirs, it doesn't possess the same traits and fingerprint like sequences that are natural hormones possess. When playing with hormones, we end up playing with other hormones.

Do yourself a solid and don't get caught up in the numbers game, you will drive yourself crazy. If you have confidence and to trust your doctor, do exactly that.
And give this time. See where you sit 8 weeks from now.

Don't try to target or treat anything, You're only going to delay. Let the process be the process.

 

[just1breath]

How long have you been on TRT entirely, including your previous dosages at 300?
Do you have any previous lab work any other baselines where you can make comparisons?

Something to bear in mind here, when people are on a therapeutic hormonal treatment, in your case testosterone, obviously these are exogenous synthetic hormones. These are not ours, these are not our real hormones. Our entire endocrine system, adrenal system, the entire system of checks and balances will not behave or respond like they are ours. There will be activations, and deactivations of certain enzymes within specific tissue, chitter chat and initiations with cellular groups on many levels. Things will never be never be perfect. In treatments, and with blood work it becomes a cat chase tail game. People try to perfect things and they chase numbers trying to get them within a narrow range, when in reality That's asking for a lot. So in addition, we take other drugs and medications to either speed up one process or delay another, we add and subtract other medications as well hoping to target a specific area, while at the same time it's effecting another. Waking up sleeper enzymes, or inhibiting others.

Can we add this so it can do that, can we drop this so we can do that, can we adjust this so hopefully it will do that?!?!

You are only 10 weeks in at this specific dosage, it takes time, it takes months, it takes a long time until dosages and adjustments start to really show their true face value. When looking at numbers, these are simply just a crude snapshot of what could possibly and potentially be going on within the system at that given moment, Numbers are going to change throughout the day. You are not in a controlled environment. So many potential influences and factors.

If I was to give a suggestion, Stick with your current protocol that you have outlined by your doctor, let your doctor monitor your blood work, you can be proactive and request more blood work more frequently.

You are only 10 weeks in, you owe it to yourself, and you owe it to the protocol with seeing what happens.

Your numbers are not terrible. It's not out of the ordinary or uncommon for things to be slightly out of range.

You have multiple synthetic hormones going on right now, they were always be the potential of false positives, or the overexpression in certain areas, and so on.
What matters most is how do you feel? And you said that you feel good.

Don't limit yourself with not using any AIs, not all AIs are created equal.
I was a strong advocate of arimidex for years. Changing my AI was one of the best things I ever did.

People have this misconception that AIs do not belong in TRT because of these supposed low dosages. Unfortunately enough for them, they failed to realize that this testosterone isn't even theirs, it doesn't possess the same traits and fingerprint like sequences that are natural hormones possess. When playing with hormones, we end up playing with other hormones.

Do yourself a solid and don't get caught up in the numbers game, you will drive yourself crazy. If you have confidence and to trust your doctor, do exactly that.
And give this time. See where you sit 8 weeks from now.

Don't try to target or treat anything, You're only going to delay. Let the process be the process.

Thank you! I’m kinda ocd at times and this brought things into perspective.

 

[j2048b]

You said you got proviron because you didn’t want to take an AI

Taking daily zinc will help to keep E2 under control.
My E2 is in range and I take 25mg a day. It just keeps my body from having acne out brake.
If you start to get signs of high E2 add more.
Aching joints is low E2 a lot of times so everything is all over the place.
To be really honest you should drop everything except the testosterone and drop that back to 200mg a week for 6 weeks. See how you feel and get bloods

Zinc trully plays a role in acne? I honestly had no idea i guess the hormonal teenagers can thro some in the to aide in acne reduction, or no? Serious question


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[Mynuts]

Zinc trully plays a role in acne? I honestly had no idea i guess the hormonal teenagers can thro some in the to aide in acne reduction, or no? Serious question


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You better ask @Jlifts if it’s ok for me to answer.

 

[Jlifts]

You better ask @Jlifts if it’s ok for me to answer.

You okay man? Your feelings hurt because I wanted the guys question answered?

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[Glycomann]

How long have you been on TRT entirely, including your previous dosages at 300?
Do you have any previous lab work any other baselines where you can make comparisons?

Something to bear in mind here, when people are on a therapeutic hormonal treatment, in your case testosterone, obviously these are exogenous synthetic hormones. These are not ours, these are not our real hormones. Our entire endocrine system, adrenal system, the entire system of checks and balances will not behave or respond like they are ours. There will be activations, and deactivations of certain enzymes within specific tissue, chitter chat and initiations with cellular groups on many levels. Things will never be never be perfect. In treatments, and with blood work it becomes a cat chase tail game. People try to perfect things and they chase numbers trying to get them within a narrow range, when in reality That's asking for a lot. So in addition, we take other drugs and medications to either speed up one process or delay another, we add and subtract other medications as well hoping to target a specific area, while at the same time it's effecting another. Waking up sleeper enzymes, or inhibiting others.

Can we add this so it can do that, can we drop this so we can do that, can we adjust this so hopefully it will do that?!?!

You are only 10 weeks in at this specific dosage, it takes time, it takes months, it takes a long time until dosages and adjustments start to really show their true face value. When looking at numbers, these are simply just a crude snapshot of what could possibly and potentially be going on within the system at that given moment, Numbers are going to change throughout the day. You are not in a controlled environment. So many potential influences and factors.

If I was to give a suggestion, Stick with your current protocol that you have outlined by your doctor, let your doctor monitor your blood work, you can be proactive and request more blood work more frequently.

You are only 10 weeks in, you owe it to yourself, and you owe it to the protocol with seeing what happens.

Your numbers are not terrible. It's not out of the ordinary or uncommon for things to be slightly out of range.

You have multiple synthetic hormones going on right now, they were always be the potential of false positives, or the overexpression in certain areas, and so on.
What matters most is how do you feel? And you said that you feel good.

Don't limit yourself with not using any AIs, not all AIs are created equal.
I was a strong advocate of arimidex for years. Changing my AI was one of the best things I ever did.

People have this misconception that AIs do not belong in TRT because of these supposed low dosages. Unfortunately enough for them, they failed to realize that this testosterone isn't even theirs, it doesn't possess the same traits and fingerprint like sequences that are natural hormones possess. When playing with hormones, we end up playing with other hormones.

Do yourself a solid and don't get caught up in the numbers game, you will drive yourself crazy. If you have confidence and to trust your doctor, do exactly that.
And give this time. See where you sit 8 weeks from now.

Don't try to target or treat anything, You're only going to delay. Let the process be the process.

I've watched Vision for well over a decade on these boards. He is one of the more informed and on point with his suggestions. the above is not an exception.