Tren

[dpeek17]

So I am curious as to how long it will take to start to see A results and B sides from the tren. I am running 400mg a week an just started today.


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[HustleHard]

If you started today you probably haven’t run the 400 yet but with ace it’s fast brother. Just hold on before you know it you’re gonna be full throttle. Take your NAC and Gw501516 and mk677 .... just my opinion but that’s how I run it bare minimum. Before your first vial is over you should see results. Then it’s everyday you will start to see your body changing and your strength growing.


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[suraonyx23]

You sound very inexperienced. Sounds like this is your first cycle, is it? If so you don't need Tren period.

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[Victorz06]

Not everyone gets sides from Tren....400mg is a good number for novice users to start. However, if this is your first run (and it sounds like it)....I'd hold off like mentioned above. It really really helps when folks post stats when asking for advice. You could be a 80 lb female for all we know. Post stats!



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[dpeek17]

Not everyone gets sides from Tren....400mg is a good number for novice users to start. However, if this is your first run (and it sounds like it)....I'd hold off like mentioned above. It really really helps when folks post stats when asking for advice. You could be a 80 lb female for all we know. Post stats!



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Thanks for advice man an I'm 25 6'1 245lb

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[Victorz06]

Thanks for advice man an I'm 25 6'1 245lb

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Add AAS experience, BF%, and your goal....you looking to bulk or cut? You train consistently or just started? Diet in check?



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[dpeek17]

Add AAS experience, BF%, and your goal....you looking to bulk or cut? You train consistently or just started? Diet in check?



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As far as AAS experience goes ive done 1 pre maturely ended dbol oral cycle other then that this is the mainly first one I've done. I'm 10-15% BF and I want to bulk for this cycle then cut my next cycle. I've trained for a few years now. I was originally 175lb an in a few years have gotten to 245lb naturally but feel I've hit my plateau.

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[dpeek17]

Oh and my diet is a work in progress. I'm getting about 4 to 5 square meals in a day. Eating mainly chicken, brown rice, broccoli, salmon, tuna, etc

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[Victorz06]

As far as AAS experience goes ive done 1 pre maturely ended dbol oral cycle other then that this is the mainly first one I've done. I'm 10-15% BF and I want to bulk for this cycle then cut my next cycle. I've trained for a few years now. I was originally 175lb an in a few years have gotten to 245lb naturally but feel I've hit my plateau.

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You can really bulk or cut on just about anything....but most users of tren use it to cut and harden/dry up. And since this is your first run, I probably would have stuck to test ONLY with perhaps an oral like drol. It's good to start adding compounds later on in future cycles to you can see how your body responds. Running two 19nors is OK for some, but I would not suggest doing so in your case. But, since you asked the question after the fact....just be sure you have your AIs handy. Nolva and Caber should be close by. 245 all natty at 10% is really good for your height. I really would have stuck to test alone. Like I said, you may not notice much of anything in terms of sides....or you could flare up with gyno real soon and fast. Are you running an AI I hope? What and what dose? And as mentioned above, tren ace works FAST and it stops working fast because of the short ester attached. And since it a bulk....and your first run, I'd probably just ditch the Tren to be honest. No need to run a gram of tren/deca EW for a first go brother. Let us know about your AI...hope you have one and a PCT plan.



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[Victorz06]

Mods may want to merge your two threads together to better help....peace.



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[dpeek17]

Thanks for input man. An as far as my AI goes I'm not taking one. I have Nolv on hand in case i see any gyno tho. Should I be taking the nolvadex during my cycle? An I'm still un certain about my PCT. I've had alot of mixed input and suggestions. Thinking of running the Deca for 10 weeks. Test E for 10 weeks and Tren Ace for 8 weeks.

You can really bulk or cut on just about anything....but most users of tren use it to cut and harden/dry up. And since this is your first run, I probably would have stuck to test ONLY with perhaps an oral like drol. It's good to start adding compounds later on in future cycles to you can see how your body responds. Running two 19nors is OK for some, but I would not suggest doing so in your case. But, since you asked the question after the fact....just be sure you have your AIs handy. Nolva and Caber should be close by. 245 all natty at 10% is really good for your height. I really would have stuck to test alone. Like I said, you may not notice much of anything in terms of sides....or you could flare up with gyno real soon and fast. Are you running an AI I hope? What and what dose? And as mentioned above, tren ace works FAST and it stops working fast because of the short ester attached. And since it a bulk....and your first run, I'd probably just ditch the Tren to be honest. No need to run a gram of tren/deca EW for a first go brother. Let us know about your AI...hope you have one and a PCT plan.



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[dpeek17]

Then running nolvadex an Clomid during off cycle

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[dpeek17]

Correction* Deca for 10 weeks Test E for 12 weeks and Teen Ace for 8 weeks

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[Victorz06]

No AI and no plan for PCT....bro, this isn't how this game is played. Running 1.5gr of oil EW (2 of them 19nors) for a first run is wrong on so many levels man. Hope you come up on top after this. Get bloods done ASAP.



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[TrenHardEatClen]

As far as AAS experience goes ive done 1 pre maturely ended dbol oral cycle other then that this is the mainly first one I've done. I'm 10-15% BF and I want to bulk for this cycle then cut my next cycle. I've trained for a few years now. I was originally 175lb an in a few years have gotten to 245lb naturally but feel I've hit my plateau.

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10% vs 15% is night and day just saying... Did you ever get a blood test?

 

[Victorz06]

10% vs 15% is night and day just saying... Did you ever get a blood test?

I love your screen name bro!



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[BigBeardGuy]

Total shit show.

Drop the tren. Probably a good idea to lower the deca to 300.

Get an AI to take during cycle. Get a prolactin antagonist (B-6 at a minimum but have caber or prami on hand just in case).

Have your PCT stuff on hand BEFORE you start your cycle.

This is all really basic stuff that you should know beforehand. It’s not rocket science. We’re all meatheads but we can figure this shit out w/o fucking ourselves up. You need to read though.

Asking questions is fine but no ones gonna be able to help you more than you can help yourself. Educate yourself. Then ask questions. Then do cycle.


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[dpeek17]

Total shit show.

Drop the tren. Probably a good idea to lower the deca to 300.

Get an AI to take during cycle. Get a prolactin antagonist (B-6 at a minimum but have caber or prami on hand just in case).

Have your PCT stuff on hand BEFORE you start your cycle.

This is all really basic stuff that you should know beforehand. It’s not rocket science. We’re all meatheads but we can figure this shit out w/o fucking ourselves up. You need to read though.

Asking questions is fine but no ones gonna be able to help you more than you can help yourself. Educate yourself. Then ask questions. Then do cycle.


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I've had alot of input from some vets on multiple forums and it is highly appreciated. I have done quite a bit of research but I guess not enough. I believe I'm going to drop the tren but keep the Deca and Test. I will lower the Deca to 300mg a week instead of 500. I have nolvadex and clomid for my pct. I am un certain tho what your talking about when you say prolactin antagonist. That's the first time I've heard of that after reading tons of websites and threads on these forums. What is that, what does it do, and where can I find it? Because my guy doesn't carry that and I'm not sure if the two websites I go thru do..

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[BigBeardGuy]

Google “deca dick”. That’s from prolactin. At 300 mg/week you might not have any issues, most don’t but it’s better to know the how’s and whys and have the correct ancillaries before it happens.

I’m sure you got a lot of good info but no one is going to outline a “how to” plan for you because nobody wants the responsibility of your health. That’s your job. Become an expert and you’ll have less issues.

Most recommend running Test only for the first cycle cause all you need to do is control estrogen. Running deca adds another potential variable with prolactin. Running tren on top of that adds a whole lot of other sides. Run one compound see how you feel, then add another compound the next run. That way you know which compound is potentially causing the sides. You’ll get good results out of a test only run. Start there and then level up. You’ll enjoy the cycles more in the long run.


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[TrenHardEatClen]

I love your screen name bro!



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hey thanks brother!

 

[heckler7]

this is for entertainment only

I would run the test at 300-400 a week for 30 weeks
deca first 16 weeks, then cruise on test for 5 weeks then do tren last 8 or however long you can handle it, then maybe cruise test a week or 2 after then pct out

 

[TwoDollarTacos]

So I am curious as to how long it will take to start to see A results and B sides from the tren. I am running 400mg a week an just started today.


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Side effects vary person to person. What exactly are you waiting for?