Tren E, SUS 250 , DBOL

[jrogers2232008]

Hey Guys,
I am currently running ZPHC/Spectrum Tren E 400 Mgs a week, Sus 250 750 mgs a week, and 30 mgs of Dbol daily. I am currently 32, weighing 231lbs 6:1 BMI 13.6 percent.
I am curious to up my tren e dose to 600 mgs a week keeping all else the same or buying TRI-Tren doing 3 shots a week keeping all else the same.
I have caber on hand as well

whats your thoughts?

 

[Vision]

Hey Guys,
I am currently running ZPHC/Spectrum Tren E 400 Mgs a week, Sus 250 750 mgs a week, and 30 mgs of Dbol daily. I am currently 32, weighing 231lbs 6:1 BMI 13.6 percent.
I am curious to up my tren e dose to 600 mgs a week keeping all else the same or buying TRI-Tren doing 3 shots a week keeping all else the same.
I have caber on hand as well

whats your thoughts?

What made you consider increasing your tren, what do you think it's going to do at 600mgs a week compared to what 400mgs is doing?
600 is a heavy dose man, the trade off isn't worth it.. Unless someone is going on stage, tren at high dosages is pointless.
400mg is even a boat load... Good luck with 600mgs, you'll feel very uncomfortable, day and night!

 

[jrogers2232008]

Thanks for the feedback, I do suffer some symptoms at 400 mgs of tren e, i do feel some mild annoyance issues, night terrors, and night sweats with some winded cardio. I am on a good diet, just curious if the results are different versus 400 mgs. As spectrum and ZPHC are underground labs, "am i getting results?" yes, is it properly dosed? i have no idea, unless there's a better xxxxxxx source

 

[Vision]

Thanks for the feedback, I do suffer some symptoms at 400 mgs of tren e, i do feel some mild annoyance issues, night terrors, and night sweats with some winded cardio. I am on a good diet, just curious if the results are different versus 400 mgs. As spectrum and ZPHC are underground labs, "am i getting results?" yes, is it properly dosed? i have no idea, unless there's a better xxxxxxxxxx source

I can assure you this, 600mgs will be the worst experience you will have, if you are currently experiencing these sides.

If your diet is good now, than stay with what is good, before it all goes BAD...

How long are you in? and what's the goal and cycle length?

ZPHC is a good lab, long as you used a reputable source you should be good.. Give it time.. All the tren on the market will be UGL you will not find any other version that is compounded. even if they are approved facilities in a mothering country, its UGL world wide (generic).. Nothing wrong with that, but that is what it is at the end of the day. ZPHC is good shit! enjoy the ride..

 

[Multislacking]

whats your thoughts?

I think you need to read the rules in my sig below. Thanks.

 

[JaceBon]

Yeah right. If I ever captured my worst enemy and chained him in my basement...the form of torture I would use would be pumping him with 600+mg tren and 750test for about 10 weeks. You’re either nuts or extremely dedicated. I just discovered my sweet spot with tren to be 300 with 250-300 test along with masteron. I’d be miserablr at 600

 

[nuttz51]

That’s a shit ton of gear. Are you an ifbb pro or something?

 

[Posmx]

I run tren at 600mg every single time I run it and handle it very well (I’ve ran higher too when there’s a reason), BUT- I keep my test low at 200mg. I’ve found that if I run high test with tren, I feel miserable & am also miserable to be around. If I run a TRT type dose of test with high tren, it’s magic & no sides. Plus I even see better results. Everyone handles these things differently, you’ll just have to take some time & slowly figure out what the best options are for you.

That being said- if you’re already having sides there is absolutely no reason you should up your dose. Bad idea there, these sides will amplify dramatically if you raise your dosing 50%. And if this is your first run with tren I’d personally stick around that 400 mark for the cycle. If anything I’d lower your test dose & see what that does for you.

 

[CoachCabo]

Yeah right. If I ever captured my worst enemy and chained him in my basement...the form of torture I would use would be pumping him with 600+mg tren and 750test for about 10 weeks. You’re either nuts or extremely dedicated. I just discovered my sweet spot with tren to be 300 with 250-300 test along with masteron. I’d be miserablr at 600

Would there be food delivery and a decent gym in your basement? Just need to figure out how to be your worst enemy?
Also is the internet access? I need to be able to come to the forum to get a knee jerk cure for all the problems and sides.

 

[Wiseguy]

What made you consider increasing your tren, what do you think it's going to do at 600mgs a week compared to what 400mgs is doing?
600 is a heavy dose man, the trade off isn't worth it.. Unless someone is going on stage, tren at high dosages is pointless.
400mg is even a boat load... Good luck with 600mgs, you'll feel very uncomfortable, day and night!

Agree 100%.

 

[JaceBon]

Would there be food delivery and a decent gym in your basement? Just need to figure out how to be your worst enemy?
Also is the internet access? I need to be able to come to the forum to get a knee jerk cure for all the problems and sides.

Just must, coal dust and sometimes mice bro lol

 

[Reprisal 6]

Would there be food delivery and a decent gym in your basement? Just need to figure out how to be your worst enemy?
Also is the internet access? I need to be able to come to the forum to get a knee jerk cure for all the problems and sides.

It seems like ever since everyone came out of their steroid closet on Youtube and started admitting to juicing there has been this race to the bottom of, "Look how much gear I don't take." 15 years ago 750 mgs Sust was a minimum people suggested for that blend, 400 Tren was low-ish, and 30 mgs dbol was the average beginner "My first cycle," dose. Now people pretend that's a pro cycle and cry over PIP and not getting a package delivered in under 5 days. I love the posts of, I take 130 mgs test a week, micro dose 8.5 mgs of Tren a day and 5mgs of Anavar pre-workout only. Yet more people are dying than ever.... Strange...

 

[Vision]

It seems like ever since everyone came out of their steroid closet on Youtube and started admitting to juicing there has been this race to the bottom of, "Look how much gear I don't take." 15 years ago 750 mgs Sust was a minimum people suggested for that blend, 400 Tren was low-ish, and 30 mgs dbol was the average beginner "My first cycle," dose. Now people pretend that's a pro cycle and cry over PIP and not getting a package delivered in under 5 days. I love the posts of, I take 130 mgs test a week, micro dose 8.5 mgs of Tren a day and 5mgs of Anavar pre-workout only. Yet more people are dying than ever.... Strange...

IMO people are getting lost in translation here, I believe what we are hearing is 2 sides of the fence..

1) so many in this percentile will say "I take this much gear, high dose, if you want to grow you need to up your level"

2) so many in this percentile will say " I truly don't take much, or I cut back on what I take and I'm doing better than ever, I changed up habits, dialed in food/timing and train differently"

When you hear a group or a good amount of people doing this or that, you will always have others that do it differently.. Sometimes its a case of "monkey see - monkey do"

Pinning gets old, so does oil volume and sides.. in this way of life it's suppose to be about adapting, adjustments, tweaking, making corrections and getting rid of bad habits.. There's levels to this shit for good reasons.

Huge difference BTW with guys dying back stage or what is truly killing some body builders, compared to when when average younger Johnny does, people say genetics or predisposed condition that went unseen, when muscularly Johnny dies people blame steroids.. To many factors..

https://www.auajournals.org/doi/full/10.1016/j.juro.2016.02.336

MP47-17 RATES OF MORTALITY ARE HIGHER AMONG PROFESSIONAL MALE BODYBUILDERS

Daniel Gwartney
, Andrew Allison
, Alexander W. Pastuszak
, Steven Canales
, William T. Stoll
, Mark C. Lindgren
, Michael L. Eisenberg
, and Larry I. Lipshultz

View All Author Information
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.juro.2016.02.336

INTRODUCTION AND OBJECTIVES
Professional male bodybuilders use high-dose testosterone and other performance enhancing drugs to improve athletic performance. These anabolic agents are potentially associated with negative sequelae including hyperlipidemia, cardiovascular effects, and possible liver damage. We sought to determine if the use of high-dose testosterone and other performance enhancing drugs could be linked to a higher mortality rate when compared to the general population.

METHODS
An initial cohort of all 1,578 professional male bodybuilders who competed between 1948-2014 was identified, and complete mortality data were obtained for 597. This cohort was identified via competition listings and bodybuilding websites. Proof of life or death was compiled using data from public records, competition listings, bodybuilding websites, and social media venues. Mortality rates among bodybuilders were compared with CDC mortality rates for an age-matched male population.

RESULTS
The mean age within the study cohort was 47.5 years (range 25.0-81.7) and mean age during competitive years was 24.6 years (range 18-47). Of the 597 bodybuilders with mortality data, 58 (9.7%) were reported dead and 539 living. Only 40 deaths were expected in this population based on age-matched data, yielding a standardized mortality rate (95% confidence interval) of 1.34 (1.10-1.88) for these competitors, which is higher than in the general population. The mean age of death was 47.7 years (range 26.6-75.4), and no significant difference in mortality rates was observed above the age of 50 (Figure 1).

CONCLUSIONS
Mortality rates of bodybuilders within the cohort were 34% higher than those in an age-matched general U.S. male population. The cause of this increased mortality is currently unclear, but supports the possibility that the use of performance enhancing drugs and the unique competitive training (e.g. extreme weight changes) may contribute to deaths among younger professional bodybuilders. Current work is focused on determining cause of death by linkage to the National Death Index.

© 2016

 

[CoachCabo]

I have always been clear on the forum what I take. I even post bloods and pics of my fatness (unless someone beats me to it. Lol).

When it was a lot (too much in my mind) I posted it. When it is nothing, I posted it. Just last week I posted blood on 200/200 test/deca. The “too much” I was taking is a fraction of what guys here say they take btw. And if that’s under-admitting…WOW!

Why anyone would lie is beyond my comprehension.

If 400mg of tren is low-ish 15 years ago for gym Joe’s, I see why everyone is posting all their fucking problems with health and sides here.
I guy wanting to up his tren by 33% because the side “aren’t too bad yet” just gives the anti-steroid crowd more ammo.

 

[Vision]

I have always been clear on the forum what I take. I even post bloods and pics of my fatness (unless someone beats me to it. Lol).

When it was a lot (too much in my mind) I posted it. When it is nothing, I posted it. Just last week I posted blood on 200/200 test/deca. The “too much” I was taking is a fraction of what guys here say they take btw. And if that’s under-admitting…WOW!

Why anyone would lie is beyond my comprehension.

If 400mg of tren is low-ish 15 years ago for gym Joe’s, I see why everyone is posting all their fucking problems with health and sides here.
I guy wanting to up his tren by 33% because the side “aren’t too bad yet” just gives the anti-steroid crowd more ammo.

Right there is something you said that many of us I think have seen before , guys thinking their tren is low so they ramp it for more sides just to feel like tren? if people have low sides, run with it, that's a freebie..
I abused the hell out of gear before when there was clearly holes in my game. I would never want to go back to those days. It was like iron man football, taking a beating for what? I literally walked away with scars.

How about these threads "Just getting back to the gym, lost my job, wife left me, so I need to get back, how does 600mg of tren with 750 of test sound?"

The new thing is to clown on guys who under admit? like you said, it does nothing and brings nothing to lie.

 

[CoachCabo]

Imagine this: A guy had his own lab and literally had as much gear he wanted, enough for 100 pro’s. Yet he chose to use only 750mg of test, 150mg of tren and 300mg of mast running the eight weeks to a Nationals.

Why not use more? Coulda got the “feelz” up to being comatose. Because it just wasn’t necessary NOR worth it to push more.

Do guys lie about gear? Absolutely. Especially in the USA where there is heavy stink on steroids. Do they understate the amounts face to face? Yep!
But in a forum where everyone is secret squirrel about their identity and location? Why? Just why?

People ask me pretty frequently if I use steroids. I don’t miss a beat in answering “Of course I do. I’m 58.” Unless my wife answers them first. Which is much more fun.

 

[Reprisal 6]

Imagine this: A guy had his own lab and literally had as much gear he wanted, enough for 100 pro’s. Yet he chose to use only 750mg of test, 150mg of tren and 300mg of mast running the eight weeks to a Nationals.

Why not use more? Coulda got the “feelz” up to being comatose. Because it just wasn’t necessary NOR worth it to push more.

Do guys lie about gear? Absolutely. Especially in the USA where there is heavy stink on steroids. Do they understate the amounts face to face? Yep!
But in a forum where everyone is secret squirrel about their identity and location? Why? Just why?

People ask me pretty frequently if I use steroids. I don’t miss a beat in answering “Of course I do. I’m 58.” Unless my wife answers them first. Which is much more fun.

Maybe I was on the heavy abuse board where the magic number people always talked about was 1 gram of test as a base. If there was a threat for free 750mgs of test and 600 Tren there would've been volunteers from here to the moon. I get it... those doses aren't needed and people are way more health conscious these days. I just laugh at what the perception is these days of a lot of gear compared to a while back.

 

[Durro]

Back when Tren/Parabolin first hit the scene only 2 amps at 75mg each were used a week a total of 150mg a week. It should work the same today.

 

[CoachCabo]

I have used 1050 sustanon per week (contained 300 cyp). Not a single problem but I am not a big converter. IIRC, my E2 was 91, which didn’t bother me because my total test was 3450. But that was in a long competitive season. Not trying to look good for the ladies or at the beach.

I also come from the days of parabolan amps and the most anyone I personally knew used only 2 per week max, including olympians. One guy did two in a day and I thought he was going to explode/die.

You are 100% correct that what is considered normal now is significantly more than the high average “back in the day”. Do pro’s today look like pro’s back then? Of course not. We shall see if in 20-30 years today’s crop lives as long as my era dudes.
But pro’s vs Joes are apples and oranges.

 

[WetStuffRedStuff]

Imagine this: A guy had his own lab and literally had as much gear he wanted, enough for 100 pro’s. Yet he chose to use only 750mg of test, 150mg of tren and 300mg of mast running the eight weeks to a Nationals.

Why not use more? Coulda got the “feelz” up to being comatose. Because it just wasn’t necessary NOR worth it to push more.

Do guys lie about gear? Absolutely. Especially in the USA where there is heavy stink on steroids. Do they understate the amounts face to face? Yep!
But in a forum where everyone is secret squirrel about their identity and location? Why? Just why?

People ask me pretty frequently if I use steroids. I don’t miss a beat in answering “Of course I do. I’m 58.” Unless my wife answers them first. Which is much more fun.

So what if you were 30 in today’s world? You get randomly asked if you’re on steroids? You tell the truth then?

 

[CoachCabo]

So what if you were 30 in today’s world? You get randomly asked if you’re on steroids? You tell the truth then?

I tell the truth always. If I can’t, I avoid the question. You need to consider the source. If it is part of a voluntary conversation I am honest. If it is a line of quedtioning from someone who it’s none of their damn business, I tell them to piss off.

I had a t-shirt I sold years ago that simply said on the back “ Don’t ask me if I take steroids and I won’t tell you that you look like shit.”
When I made that shit in 1989 I had it with someone complementing me on my physique then following up with “Do you take steroids.” I would look down at their chest and say “Nice tits! Is that a boob job?” Stopped conversation in it’s tracks.

 

[WetStuffRedStuff]

I tell the truth always. If I can’t, I avoid the question. You need to consider the source. If it is part of a voluntary conversation I am honest. If it is a line of quedtioning from someone who it’s none of their damn business, I tell them to piss off.

I had a t-shirt I sold years ago that simply said on the back “ Don’t ask me if I take steroids and I won’t tell you that you look like shit.”
When I made that shit in 1989 I had it with someone complementing me on my physique then following up with “Do you take steroids.” I would look down at their chest and say “Nice tits! Is that a boob job?” Stopped conversation in it’s tracks.

Good point about considering the source.. I get asked fairly often if I “take stuff” or “do steroids” and if it’s a complete stranger I do in fact lie and say no, and that’s because of my job and nothing else. Now people that ask me at the gym that I know also use (I feel like for the MOST part you can tell, not counting the majority though I guess who use gear and look awful) I will tell them. But i certainly don’t broadcast it

 

[Vision]

I tell the truth always. If I can’t, I avoid the question. You need to consider the source. If it is part of a voluntary conversation I am honest. If it is a line of quedtioning from someone who it’s none of their damn business, I tell them to piss off.

I had a t-shirt I sold years ago that simply said on the back “ Don’t ask me if I take steroids and I won’t tell you that you look like shit.”
When I made that shit in 1989 I had it with someone complementing me on my physique then following up with “Do you take steroids.” I would look down at their chest and say “Nice tits! Is that a boob job?” Stopped conversation in it’s tracks.

Good point about considering the source.. I get asked fairly often if I “take stuff” or “do steroids” and if it’s a complete stranger I do in fact lie and say no, and that’s because of my job and nothing else. Now people that ask me at the gym that I know also use (I feel like for the MOST part you can tell, not counting the majority though I guess who use gear and look awful) I will tell them. But i certainly don’t broadcast it

Its none of any strangers business. Using the gentle art of verbal judo comes in handy, I just flip things real quick to diet talk and how boring it is to eat, emphasizing how that is the game changer.. From there they just vent about wishing to eat better, the conversation was easily redirected..

 

[MonsterMaker]

What I put into my body is none of anyone’s business and if one of those anyone’s asks me I will most certainly lie to their fucking face… If I need to lie to protect myself you better believe I will do just that… won’t catch doing prison time for being an “honest person”…