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Tren-A + Test-E Cycle

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My pet dog has 2x10ml 100mg/ml bottles of Tren-A and 1x10ml 250mg/ml bottle of Test-E

He plans on doing .43ml of Tren-A and .20ml of Test-E every morning for a 6-week cycle.

So 300mg/week of Tren-A and 350mg/week of Test-E

Any recommendations or suggestions for my juicing dog?
 
Tbh, tren on your first cycle - Indicates that you have no clue what you are doing, don't have the discipline to stay consistent and while you will get some results because tren is tren, you won't keep them.
 
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Tbh, tren on your first cycle - Indicates that you have no clue what you are doing, don't have the discipline to stay consistent and while you will get some results because tren is tren, you won't keep them.
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Objectively, can you explain?
 
codem said:
Objectively, can you explain?
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I can :) And it's not like an immutable rule, but:

Tren is one of the strongest, most effective but also harshest compounds available to you for building muscle and recomping.

And if you take it, you are more or less guaranteed results just by looking at the weights.

But the mentality of rushing straight to tren, indicates that you are in a rush, unhappy with current results and want to reach some often ambivalent goal as soon as possible - Instead of having a mentality of grinding the gym consistently year after year and watching your diet.

It's also unfortunate to have tren in your first cycle, simply because it is so damn effective. Now nothing else gives you that same boost or the same results, so you can end up in a situation where gym sessions on other AAS, or on no AAS (and the corresponding results) are... underwhelming.

As the other guy said, just milk test first, take it from there - Does it truly matter if you get the results you want next year or in 2 years instead of within 6 months? (if it does, you are less likely to get there at all).
 
AA Solutions said:
I can :) And it's not like an immutable rule, but:

Tren is one of the strongest, most effective but also harshest compounds available to you for building muscle and recomping.

And if you take it, you are more or less guaranteed results just by looking at the weights.

But the mentality of rushing straight to tren, indicates that you are in a rush, unhappy with current results and want to reach some often ambivalent goal as soon as possible - Instead of having a mentality of grinding the gym consistently year after year and watching your diet.

It's also unfortunate to have tren in your first cycle, simply because it is so damn effective. Now nothing else gives you that same boost or the same results, so you can end up in a situation where gym sessions on other AAS, or on no AAS (and the corresponding results) are... underwhelming.

As the other guy said, just milk test first, take it from there - Does it truly matter if you get the results you want next year or in 2 years instead of within 6 months? (if it does, you are less likely to get there at all).
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As a new member, I almost became defensive to your initial response, then I realized... maybe he's onto something!

I appreciate your objective and thorough response to my question, and I will take your words into consideration.

At this point in time, I am determined to continue the cycle in which I originally planned, although I do have a question.

In your opinion, if I do this cycle, maintain regular 5-6 days of working out, and cruise Test-E after finishing my cycle, do you think I'll be able to maintain at least 80% of my gains? Given I am nutritionally responsible with my diet?
 
codem said:
As a new member, I almost became defensive to your initial response, then I realized... maybe he's onto something!

I appreciate your objective and thorough response to my question, and I will take your words into consideration.

At this point in time, I am determined to continue the cycle in which I originally planned, although I do have a question.

In your opinion, if I do this cycle, maintain regular 5-6 days of working out, and cruise Test-E after finishing my cycle, do you think I'll be able to maintain at least 80% of my gains? Given I am nutritionally responsible with my diet?
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How much you keep depends on a lot of factors - So that's hard to answer.

Depends on how much mass you have right now, how much your genetics "allows you" to have without enhancement, how your diet and workouts are when you go off, since you cruise instead of going completely off, you should keep most if not all your gains if you do things right, unless you are freakishly big already.

One thing I would suggest if you're decided on your cycle, is to do 8-12 weeks of test, 6 weeks is rather short Imo. What's your cruise dose?

Start with 4 weeks on test only, then you add tren for 4-6 weeks. And start with something like 50mg e2d, that's more than enough to get results on a first cycle (and in general if you ask me). You could also do shorter 2 week stints of low dose tren while cruising/on trt+, personally I prefer doing that, just make sure you pull bloods and make sure it's sustainable for you.

Tren is damn strong, and the side effects stack quickly - So does results, so dip your toe instead of jumping in.
 
AA Solutions said:
How much you keep depends on a lot of factors - So that's hard to answer.

Depends on how much mass you have right now, how much your genetics "allows you" to have without enhancement, how your diet and workouts are when you go off, since you cruise instead of going completely off, you should keep most if not all your gains if you do things right, unless you are freakishly big already.

One thing I would suggest if you're decided on your cycle, is to do 8-12 weeks of test, 6 weeks is rather short Imo. What's your cruise dose?

Start with 4 weeks on test only, then you add tren for 4-6 weeks. And start with something like 50mg e2d, that's more than enough to get results on a first cycle (and in general if you ask me). You could also do shorter 2 week stints of low dose tren while cruising/on trt+, personally I prefer doing that, just make sure you pull bloods and make sure it's sustainable for you.

Tren is damn strong, and the side effects stack quickly - So does results, so dip your toe instead of jumping in.
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After my cycle, I am going to cruise at 200mg/week. I am not relatively huge, 5'11 194lbs.
 
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You'll keep most/everything if you're consistent. But do consider microdosing instead of 300mg/week, at least for your first cycle.

If you're cruising on 200, you'll get results over time either way as long as you put in the work. Best thing you can do is not rushing things and making sure your diet workouts and consistency is rock solid :)
 
Tren is something for advanced lifters, injecting tren is not the big deal, but managing the sides on tren or in general the a nandrolone cycle is something different. Do bloodwork, if everything is fine, dial in your diet, be in a surplus, train 4-6x a week hard, sleep, recovery, no party, no alcohol! Structure and consistency is the key. I never touched tren. Your first cycle shoudl be Test only!

I guess you're planning PCT after, perhaps you know that your chances of restoring your natural hormone levels to a good level after a nandrolone cycle are not really high. Many Tren, DECA, and NPP users are forced to stay on TRT/Cruise for a while after such a hard cycle.
 
Please do not use Tren. It can completely mess with you. It messed with me at just 5mg/day…it will give you sides and effects at even that amount.

I honestly think there is zero need for Tren unless you’re an IFBB Pro or a world class power lifter.
 
j16772 said:
Please do not use Tren. It can completely mess with you. It messed with me at just 5mg/day…it will give you sides and effects at even that amount.

I honestly think there is zero need for Tren unless you’re an IFBB Pro or a world class power lifter.
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Agree with this.....and if you are dead set on doing tren and don't want to listen to anyone, at least start at 5-10mg a week and titrate up. I was fine at 10mg, but as soon as I go over 70mg in a week I can't sleep very well. You just wake up wired in the middle of the night. Jumping into 4-5x that seems really stupid.
 
WED said:
Agree with this.....and if you are dead set on doing tren and don't want to listen to anyone, at least start at 5-10mg a week and titrate up. I was fine at 10mg, but as soon as I go over 70mg in a week I can't sleep very well. You just wake up wired in the middle of the night. Jumping into 4-5x that seems really stupid.
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At least it’s Tren A and you can jump off quick I guess. I agree tho, have to start super super small and work up.

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Does anyone remember their first vivid Tren night terror ? I hunted down a NBA player because he wouldnt sign a ball for my son . Woke up in a pool of sweat terrified, been in love with the shit ever since 🤣
 
Tren works very, very well. The sides are very, very shitty. Crazy night sweats, insomnia, hypoglycemia, high blood pressure, and in general being an asshole while running it. I would not suggest running tren even if you are an advanced lifter with several cycles under your belt. Try test before anything, see how you do then take it from there.
 
I would love to see .43 on a syringe.

Mentioning Tren and orals screams new user. Nothing against you as we all want to get big but starting out of the gate using oral and tren is not the way to go.
 
Night sweats fuckin suck, nothing worse than having to wash and dry the sheets every gotdamn day SMFH.
 
GrindingGrey said:
I would love to see .43 on a syringe.

Mentioning Tren and orals screams new user. Nothing against you as we all want to get big but starting out of the gate using oral and tren is not the way to go.
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I don't understand?
.43ml is to do 300mg/week

People do more than 300mg/week
 
codem said:
As a new member, I almost became defensive to your initial response, then I realized... maybe he's onto something!

I appreciate your objective and thorough response to my question, and I will take your words into consideration.

At this point in time, I am determined to continue the cycle in which I originally planned, although I do have a question.

In your opinion, if I do this cycle, maintain regular 5-6 days of working out, and cruise Test-E after finishing my cycle, do you think I'll be able to maintain at least 80% of my gains? Given I am nutritionally responsible with my diet?
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Id argue first cycle you'll get the same results with or without tren if you're truly on top of ur shit. Ur body's only gonna produce so much regardless what u throw at it so why waste the money and a tool to use later. It's like loading up a bobcat and a big front loader when you're not even gonna use the front loader

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He's gonna do what he wants regardless what we say. Id bet most of us are guilty of it or something similar. He'll learn

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Always good to be healthy 300 test 15 to 20 weeks dependent on how your food habits are and how your blood work is looking mid cycle it's all case dependent but only ulitzing just a bioidentical hormone your Frist cycle is the best bet
 

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