Thoughts on a few items

[dnewell2004]

Macro counting vs calories in calories out

5-6 meals vs 3 larger meals with healthy snacks

I always see different opinions on this. Wife's trainer has her on 6 a day and figures her macros. I'm looking to dial it in quickly for a log I'm doing to maximize results. What's your guys' thoughts

 

[Augustine5I]

If your cutting, and reduce calories slightly below maintenance… keeping all your meals clean, while getting enough protein, you can’t lose.

Easier said then done.

Of course I do cardio to burn calories making it easier to consume calories I want, but also for ALL the other benefits.

Trying to avoid cardiac issues if I can help it. Seen way to many guys talking about it.

I like 6 meals Bc you eat more frequently and it’s more satisfying. Plus, I have read your body can’t assimilate more then like 30 grams of protein in a single meal.

 

[Multislacking]

I suspect if you were to try both and log the results, they would be very similar. Having said that, the 6 "meals" is indeed usually more satisfying on a cut. Which makes it easier to stick with, imho. If you get into the whole "constant digestion stimulates metabolism" argument, I think the actual weight loss benefit is minimal at best. Just my two cents. I'm assuming a cut is the goal here, though.

 

[Chalr]

If your cutting, and reduce calories slightly below maintenance… keeping all your meals clean, while getting enough protein, you can’t lose.

Easier said then done.

Of course I do cardio to burn calories making it easier to consume calories I want, but also for ALL the other benefits.

Trying to avoid cardiac issues if I can help it. Seen way to many guys talking about it.

I like 6 meals Bc you eat more frequently and it’s more satisfying. Plus, I have read your body can’t assimilate more then like 30 grams of protein in a single meal.

Only 30grams of protein at a time? I’ve always heard that. My work schedule has me eating 3-4 big meals a day and protein bars, bagels, hand full of nuts almonds, and other snacks in between these meals. As it’s easier.

 

[heavyhitter]

Only 30grams of protein at a time? I’ve always heard that. My work schedule has me eating 3-4 big meals a day and protein bars, bagels, hand full of nuts almonds, and other snacks in between these meals. As it’s easier.

Your body will assimilate any protien you give it. There is no 30 gram cutoff. That doesn’t mean your going to put on tons more muscle by eating tons more protein though

 

[Augustine5I]

Your body will assimilate any protien you give it. There is no 30 gram cutoff. That doesn’t mean your going to put on tons more muscle by eating tons more protein though

There was a study showing absorption at 25 to 30 grams of protein.

It's controversial in some circles.

I just think common sense wouldn't dictate the body "assimilating" all the protein you give it in a single meal.

I mean, if you eat a 32 oz steak, would you really utilize all the protein from that steak?? IDK. Would be great if you can eat all 130 grams of protein you needed at breakfast and be good for the rest of the day.

 

[heavyhitter]

There was a study showing absorption at 25 to 30 grams of protein.

It's controversial in some circles.

I just think common sense wouldn't dictate the body "assimilating" all the protein you give it in a single meal.

I mean, if you eat a 32 oz steak, would you really utilize all the protein from that steak?? IDK. Would be great if you can eat all 130 grams of protein you needed at breakfast and be good for the rest of the day.

Of course you’ll utilize it. Where do you think it’s going? Will you turn all of it into muscle? Of course not. If you gained even an ounce of muscle in a day that would be 22 lbs of muscle in a year. Not many guys doing that. But to say that protein is wasted is nonsense. It still gets utilized, but for repair processes and through gluconeogenesis

 

[Augustine5I]

Of course you’ll utilize it. Where do you think it’s going? Will you turn all of it into muscle? Of course not. If you gained even an ounce of muscle in a day that would be 22 lbs of muscle in a year. Not many guys doing that. But to say that protein is wasted is nonsense. It still gets utilized, but for repair processes and through gluconeogenesis

Well, anything can be stored as fat. Fat goes to fat more readily. But both protein and carbs are converted to fat also, but takes more energy for the body to do so.

So where does it go?? I suppose if you overeat, it will be stored as fat.

Never said it gets wasted. It may be needed for energy later. But if you eat 5k calories of "protein" then rest assured if it's 2k calories more then you need, it will be stored as fat.

I am just going off the science and a study that was done stating 30 grams of absorption in a single sitting.

It's controversial. So you have your point of view. So agree to disagree.

 

[heavyhitter]

Well, anything can be stored as fat. Fat goes to fat more readily. But both protein and carbs are converted to fat also, but takes more energy for the body to do so.

So where does it go?? I suppose if you overeat, it will be stored as fat.

Never said it gets wasted. It may be needed for energy later. But if you eat 5k calories of "protein" then rest assured if it's 2k calories more then you need, it will be stored as fat.

I am just going off the science and a study that was done stating 30 grams of absorption in a single sitting.

It's controversial. So you have your point of view. So agree to disagree.

Well since you like studies and brought up storing protein as fat Login • Instagram. And for the record, there is no one who has done more studies on protein synthesis than Alan aragon(the PhD in the video) and he definitely disagrees with you

 

[Augustine5I]

Well since you like studies and brought up storing protein as fat Login • Instagram. And for the record, there is no one who has done more studies on protein synthesis than Alan aragon(the PhD in the video) and he definitely disagrees with you

Bro, protein can and is absolutely turned to fat in excess

It 100 fact. Period.

You can watch YouTube influencers all day. It’s science.

I have a medical degree. And yeah i disagree with him and you.

You saying it doesn’t? Show me proof it doesn’t.

I can definitely show you link after link showing it does.

 

[heavyhitter]

Bro, protein can and is absolutely turned to fat in excess

It 100 fact. Period.

You can watch YouTube influencers all day. It’s science.

I have a medical degree. And yeah i disagree with him and you.

You saying it doesn’t? Show me proof it doesn’t.

I can definitely show you link after link showing it does.

Alan Aragon phd is not an influencer lol. He’s literally the be all end all authority on protein anabolism. But keep drinking the 30 gram kool aid lol. Laughing at “ive got a medical degree “ lmao 😂. One of the studies I posted was performed in a metabolic ward(you should know what this is since you have a medical degree(I’m guessing paramedic) which is the paramount study since it’s so highly controlled. Show me your proof?

 

[Adrenolin]

There was a study showing absorption at 25 to 30 grams of protein..

Does said studies account for increased protein synthesis in "enhanced" individuals? Probably not.

 

[Augustine5I]

Alan Aragon phd is not an influencer lol. He’s literally the be all end all authority on protein anabolism. But keep drinking the 30 gram kool aid lol. Laughing at “ive got a medical degree “ lmao . One of the studies I posted was performed in a metabolic ward(you should know what this is since you have a medical degree(I’m guessing paramedic) which is the paramount study since it’s so highly controlled. Show me your proof?

Proof??

So do your own Google search and see all the other experts who say I am correct.

And not a paramedic.

Whatever bro… you come off as one opinionated dick.

 

[Adrenolin]

Bro, protein is absolutely turned to fat in excess

It 100 fact. Period.

I have a medical degree.

First off, out of curiosity, what's your medical degree even in?

Are you referring to the GNG cycle? Converting proteins to glucose... if there's excess glucose in the body it could then be stored as fat, primarily in the liver. That process is negligible to accumulating significant fat. The GNG cycle processes about 5g/hr max. There's no other biologic process that could convert protein to fat.

If OP is dieting, dihydroberberine or berberine sodium caprate, or even berberine hcl with bioperine (for increased bioavailability) would be a good supplement, and it completely negates the GNG cycle. He could eat 100g+ of protein per meal and not worry about 120g a day being converted to glucose and possibly stored as fat (if he's inactive).

 

[heavyhitter]

Proof??

So do your own Google search and see all the other experts who say I am correct.

And not a paramedic.

Whatever bro… you come off as one opinionated dick.

Which ones? Point them out. Post the studies bro since you know so much. You say I’m wrong but want me to do my own research in order to prove that? Lol. And I’m not opinionated, I’m experienced. I’ve been hammering away at this for 20 years

 

[heavyhitter]

First off, out of curiosity, what's your medical degree even in?

Are you referring to the GNG cycle? Converting proteins to glucose... if there's excess glucose in the body it could then be stored as fat, primarily in the liver. That process is negligible to accumulating significant fat. The GNG cycle processes about 5g/hr max. There's no other biologic process that could convert protein to fat.

If OP is dieting, dihydroberberine or berberine sodium caprate, or even berberine hcl with bioperine (for increased bioavailability) would be a good supplement, and it completely negates the GNG cycle. He could eat 100g+ of protein per meal and not worry about 120g a day being converted to glucose and possibly stored as fat (if he's inactive).

Boom

 

[Augustine5I]

First off, out of curiosity, what's your medical degree even in?

Are you referring to the GNG cycle? Converting proteins to glucose... if there's excess glucose in the body it could then be stored as fat, primarily in the liver. That process is negligible to accumulating significant fat. The GNG cycle processes about 5g/hr max. There's no other biologic process that could convert protein to fat.

If OP is dieting, dihydroberberine or berberine sodium caprate, or even berberine hcl with bioperine (for increased bioavailability) would be a good supplement, and it completely negates the GNG cycle. He could eat 100g+ of protein per meal and not worry about 120g a day being converted to glucose and possibly stored as fat (if he's inactive).

Simple search… Merck Manual. Ever hear of it?? Trusted source for every physician.

Took me less then 5 seconds to locate

Stop your bro science cock bullshit.

 

[Adrenolin]

Simple search… Merck Manual. Ever hear of it?? Trusted source for every physician.

Took me less then 5 seconds to locate

Stop your bro science cock bullshit.

It's simplifying the gluconeogenesis cycle to basically what toddlers can understand. It didn't prove what I said was wrong at all. Try again, troll.

 

[heavyhitter]

Simple search… Merck Manual. Ever hear of it?? Trusted source for every physician.

Took me less then 5 seconds to locate

Stop your bro science cock bullshit.

Why you using the consumer version of the Merck Manual if you have a medical degree? Couldn’t afford the professional version?

 

[Augustine5I]

It's simplifying the gluconeogenesis cycle to basically what toddlers can understand. It didn't prove what I said was wrong at all. Try again, troll.

“Protein Conversion

Like carbohydrates and fat, protein provides calories. If you consume more protein than your body needs to maintain, repair and grow cells, the excess is stripped of its nitrogen-containing components and converted into glycogen -- and then glucose -- for energy. When this energy goes unused, it's converted into body fat.”

Right off Livestrong. 10 seconds to find.

It’s not negligible. And it’s not so complicated.

Accept maybe for you to understand

Done arguing with toddlers. Gn

 

[Bft84]

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“Protein Conversion

Like carbohydrates and fat, protein provides calories. If you consume more protein than your body needs to maintain, repair and grow cells, the excess is stripped of its nitrogen-containing components and converted into glycogen -- and then glucose -- for energy. When this energy goes unused, it's converted into body fat.”

Right off Livestrong. 10 seconds to find.

It’s not negligible. And it’s not so complicated.

Accept maybe for you to understand

Done arguing with toddlers. Gn

You’re just always wrong and lie about your credentials.
You’re one of the least knowledgeable people here.
This study actually shows the protein went towards building muscle and not fat in a caloric excess.
Also stating only 30g is absorbed at a time is hilarious. That’s not how the body works.

Effect of dietary protein content on weight gain, energy expenditure, and body composition during overeating: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

clinicaltrials.gov Identifier: NCT00565149.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“Calories alone […] contributed to the increase in body fat. In contrast, protein contributed to changes in […] lean body mass, but not to the increase in body fat.”

Right off the Bray study. Gn

 

[Wardamn]

Bro, protein can and is absolutely turned to fat in excess

It 100 fact. Period.

You can watch YouTube influencers all day. It’s science.

I have a medical degree. And yeah i disagree with him and you.

You saying it doesn’t? Show me proof it doesn’t.

I can definitely show you link after link showing it does.

I'm not sure if a massage therapy certificate from your local junior college qualifies as a medical degree.

 

[Bft84]

There was a study showing absorption at 25 to 30 grams of protein.

It's controversial in some circles.

I just think common sense wouldn't dictate the body "assimilating" all the protein you give it in a single meal.

I mean, if you eat a 32 oz steak, would you really utilize all the protein from that steak?? IDK. Would be great if you can eat all 130 grams of protein you needed at breakfast and be good for the rest of the day.

Absolutely you’ll absorb. Your body will take its sweet fucking time breaking it down into amino acids to be used.
If you’re eating not low carbohydrates it won’t go through the inefficient process of converting amino acids to glucose…. But you knew that right… dr

 

[Augustine5I]

You’re just always wrong and lie about your credentials.
You’re one of the least knowledgeable people here.
This study actually shows the protein went towards building muscle and not fat in a caloric excess.
Also stating only 30g is absorbed at a time is hilarious. That’s not how the body works.

Effect of dietary protein content on weight gain, energy expenditure, and body composition during overeating: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

clinicaltrials.gov Identifier: NCT00565149.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“Calories alone […] contributed to the increase in body fat. In contrast, protein contributed to changes in […] lean body mass, but not to the increase in body fat.”

Right off the Bray study. Gn

Thx for proving my points.

Excess calories in any form turns to fat jerkoff.

My credentials?

Lol. You know that isn’t true.

 

[Bft84]

Thx for proving my points.

Excess calories in any form turns to fat jerkoff.

My credentials?

Lol. You know that isn’t true.

You have no credentials. No protein will not. Read the study idiot

 

[Augustine5I]

Okay all you jerkoffs.

School me. Teach me.

If I eat 12k calories of protein tmr. But I only need 3k.

What will happen to the other 9k calories??

I’ll wait for all the cashiers to chime in and teach us all.

 

[Bft84]

Okay all you jerkoffs.

School me. Teach me.

If I eat 12k calories of protein tmr. But I only need 3k.

What will happen to the other 9k calories??

I’ll wait for all the cashiers to chime in and teach us all.

Are you eating moderate carbohydrates?

Also what are these mystery credentials?

 

[Bft84]

Are amino acids stored as fat?

 

[Augustine5I]

Are you eating moderate carbohydrates?

Also what are these mystery credentials?

Stop redirecting the narrative and avoiding my question you stupid fucking guru.

If you can’t answer my question then stfu

And prove my assertion wrong.

You can’t answer it. Genius.

 

[Augustine5I]

Okay all you jerkoffs.

School me. Teach me.

If I eat 12k calories of protein tmr. But I only need 3k.

What will happen to the other 9k calories??

I’ll wait for all the cashiers to chime in and teach us all.