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This was my 'recommended stack' first cycle.

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12 wk cycle... was recommended this...

deca/300
test e/250
anavar/25
anadrol 250


31, 172, 6x week training. I've gained 15lb in 3 months natty...
 
anonlifter said:
12 wk cycle... was recommended this...

deca/300
test e/250
anavar/25
anadrol 250


31, 172, 6x week training. I've gained 15lb in 3 months natty...
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I sure hope that anadrol dosage is a typo or that's a weekly dosage and not a daily dosage. If you took 250mg of anadrol a day for a while you would probably go into liver failure or something equally as bad.

Orals should only be ran for 4 weeks. 6 weeks tops.

Test only for a first cycle. If you run multiple things and get side effects you won't know what is causing said side effects and you WILL get side effects.

Also you need an anti estrogen (AI) on hand or else you could grow boobs (Gyno)

Don't listen to whoever recommended that as a first cycle. They do not have your best interest in mind.
 
Matt88 said:
I sure hope that anadrol dosage is a typo or that's a weekly dosage and not a daily dosage. If you took 250mg of anadrol a day for a while you would probably go into liver failure or something equally as bad.

Orals should only be ran for 4 weeks. 6 weeks tops.

Test only for a first cycle. If you run multiple things and get side effects you won't know what is causing said side effects and you WILL get side effects.

Also you need an anti estrogen (AI) on hand or else you could grow boobs (Gyno)

Don't listen to whoever recommended that as a first cycle. They do not have your best interest in mind.
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Test E is 250mg @ 50ct
anavar 25mg @ 50ct
anadrol 250mg @ 50ct

Curious, what would you recommend?
 
anonlifter said:
Test E is 250mg @ 50ct
anavar 25mg @ 50ct
anadrol 250mg @ 50ct

Curious, what would you recommend?
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Test only at 500mg per week. It is an injection so idk why you said 50ct.
Aromasin/Exemestane on hand.

if you don't listen and run all that then please Don't run anadrol any higher than 50mg a day. That shit is toxic AF and shouldn't be ran longer than 4 weeks at a time.

25mg a day anavar is fine but just save the orals for a future run.

Make sure you have a pct (Post Cycle Therapy) lined up for the end of your cycle.

Anabolics shutdown your bodies natural testosterone production so you need a PCT to help reboot your body's natural testosterone production. This isn't fun or glamorous. It will probably suck bc once the injectable testosterone leaves your system you will have very low amounts of testosterone in your body till your body starts producing testosterone again.

Anytime you shutdown your bodies natural testosterone production you run a small risk of your natural production not coming back to what it was prior to the cycle which could eventually end up requiring lifetime TRT (Testosterone replacement Therapy). I realize the risk of this early on is small but it's a risk none the less that anyone needs to be aware of.
 
Matt88 said:
Test only at 500mg per week. It is an injection so idk why you said 50ct.
Aromasin/Exemestane on hand.

if you don't listen and run all that then please Don't run anadrol any higher than 50mg a day. That shit is toxic AF and shouldn't be ran longer than 4 weeks at a time.

25mg a day anavar is fine but just save the orals for a future run.

Make sure you have a pct (Post Cycle Therapy) lined up for the end of your cycle.

Anabolics shutdown your bodies natural testosterone production so you need a PCT to help reboot your body's natural testosterone production. This isn't fun or glamorous. It will probably suck bc once the injectable testosterone leaves your system you will have very low amounts of testosterone in your body till your body starts producing testosterone again.

Anytime you shutdown your bodies natural testosterone production you run a small risk of your natural production not coming back to what it was prior to the cycle which could eventually end up requiring lifetime TRT (Testosterone replacement Therapy). I realize the risk of this early on is small but it's a risk none the less that anyone needs to be aware of.
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I am all ears and eyes... I did a little research. I'll be running what you are suggesting. I've promised my wife little side effects. Hence me writing here...
My doctor has ran labs but refuses to help anymore than that, I've got a baseline going into this.

Okay, so I'll run 500mg test and hit the pct Aromasin. 12 wks
 
anonlifter said:
I am all ears and eyes... I did a little research. I'll be running what you are suggesting. I've promised my wife little side effects. Hence me writing here...
My doctor has ran labs but refuses to help anymore than that, I've got a baseline going into this.

Okay, so I'll run 500mg test and hit the pct Aromasin. 12 wks
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Good deal. It's good news that you have baseline labs. If at all possible get labs midway through your cycle and again AFTER pct. Lab work is the only way to really know what your estrogen level is. You can buy your own labs at private MD labs. Just Google their name and they will come up. The labs are delivered to only you. You get them drawn at lab corp or Quest depending on who you select on their site when you buy them.

Aromasin is for use during your cycle to control estrogen and not for PCT.

Pct needs to be Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) and Clomid. At the very least Nolva. Start PCT 2 weeks after your last shot of test. There are a lot of PCT threads. I'll link one here.

Post Cycle Therapy

Post Cycle Therapy Pulsatile secretion of gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus is required for both the initiation and maintenance of the reproductive axis in the human. Pulsatile GnRH stimulates the biosynthesis of luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating...
www.anabolicsteroidforums.com www.anabolicsteroidforums.com
 
Whoever recommended anavar and anadrol at the same time is an idiot, it would be counterproductive and pound your liver and heart.
 
anonlifter said:
12 wk cycle... was recommended this...

deca/300
test e/250
anavar/25
anadrol 250


31, 172, 6x week training. I've gained 15lb in 3 months natty...
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If you are still able to make those size gains natural, I would not run anything at all and just keep on doing what you are doing.
 
I agree with almost everything in the thread (test only, no orals, etc) and it's great info. However, I know I'm in the minority here when I say this, but IMO you do not need to run 500mg for a first cycle. You can run something like 350mg and get very similar gains as running 500mg. Always use the lowest dosage for optimal gains and leave room for future cycles. I've seen guys do cycle of 300-350mg for a first cycle and blow the hell up. Going from natty to that level alone will induce insane growth. 500mg, in MY OPINION, is overkill for most people. Just wanted a throw that into the discussion.
 
anonlifter said:
I was reading about normal test levels for hrt and was beginning to figure I should drop down just a hair.
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Most HRT patients run 100mg Cyp every 10 days....
 
I am the slow steady guy here. I would start with 200mg of test per week for 6-8 weeks and go from there. You can always bump it up. For a first time user you will be shocked what difference just a little test makes. Also, not a fan of AI's at all and I know many use them and need them. I always recommend DO NOT take AI's unless your blood work shows you need it.

Good luck my friend.
 
anonlifter said:
after cleaving thats 70mg
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Yep, dont take much to get to normal levels...HRT docs are far to $$$.
I might suggest getting your post count up too 500... GC. Cyp is much better and far less $$$$ than script.
Pull bloods after 4 weeks to see where your test and e2 levels are.
 
Meetketchup said:
I agree with almost everything in the thread (test only, no orals, etc) and it's great info. However, I know I'm in the minority here when I say this, but IMO you do not need to run 500mg for a first cycle. You can run something like 350mg and get very similar gains as running 500mg. Always use the lowest dosage for optimal gains and leave room for future cycles. I've seen guys do cycle of 300-350mg for a first cycle and blow the hell up. Going from natty to that level alone will induce insane growth. 500mg, in MY OPINION, is overkill for most people. Just wanted a throw that into the discussion.
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I vote this also, 300-350mg is good first cycle and with that I would add the Anavar the last 6 weeks @50mg ed. Easy first cycle with low side effects.
 
People doing their 1st or 2nd cycles don't realize how lucky they are to have this forum for advice. When I was 28, 16 years ago, I didnt have this forum to rely on. I got mediocre to shitty advice from fellow gym bros and made mistakes for many years. If I would've had this forum from my beginning, I would've seen much better results and be in a better spot health wise.
 
badgerz94 said:
People doing their 1st or 2nd cycles don't realize how lucky they are to have this forum for advice. When I was 28, 16 years ago, I didnt have this forum to rely on. I got mediocre to shitty advice from fellow gym bros and made mistakes for many years. If I would've had this forum from my beginning, I would've seen much better results and be in a better spot health wise.
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I am uber grateful to have the experience of many on here. It's great and you make a great point.
It also helps when people are friendly!
 
I don't agree with the 350mg thing as crazy as it seems coming from me of all people.

You get 1 first cycle. There's no added risk reduction from 350mg test to 500mg but, results can be drastically different. Keeping doses lower for future use, just stay at 500mg an extra blast.

I would suggest the first and second cycle be exactly the same, 500mg test. After that, look at how those cycles went, and make an educated single addition. (Deca, dbol, var)

Just put the test at 500 and run your ai at a dose you would expect to control estrogen, adex half mg 3 days a week, Aromasin 12.5mg 4x a week.
 
Meetketchup said:
I agree with almost everything in the thread (test only, no orals, etc) and it's great info. However, I know I'm in the minority here when I say this, but IMO you do not need to run 500mg for a first cycle. You can run something like 350mg and get very similar gains as running 500mg. Always use the lowest dosage for optimal gains and leave room for future cycles. I've seen guys do cycle of 300-350mg for a first cycle and blow the hell up. Going from natty to that level alone will induce insane growth. 500mg, in MY OPINION, is overkill for most people. Just wanted a throw that into the discussion.
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Agreed, even 200mg is very noticeable. If I could go back and do over I'd say 250-300mg Test only, then many options for future cycles (500 test, test + deca, test + deca + dbol or anadrol (my fav), etc
 
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I’d stay natty as long as I could in my opinion. Oh man if I could turn back time
 

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