Test cyp + Proviron 1st cycle

[lefty556]

How many total weeks is your blast? I typically get bloodwork halfway through.

12 weeks, going to come back down around end of last week of July.

 

[Startingover]

Did you ever get more bloodwork?

 

[lefty556]

Did you ever get more bloodwork?

Going to pull it early next week and will post here.

 

[JuicedaddySales]

Keep us updated bro

 

[lefty556]

Did you ever get more bloodwork?

Finally able to get labs drawn today, will post em up as soon as they return back.

 

[lefty556]

Some prelim results in. Just have the Free T and Cortisol outstanding to come back. Now I've been taking Test around 350mg to 375mg weekly, split over M,W,F days. Also 50mg proviron split morning and night. I had sprinkled some HCG now and then because it just made me feel better, at some 250iu doses every few days.

When on 200mg/week TRT and HCG my estradiol was 56.7 and felt pretty ok. Now it's at 63 and do notice I'm a little more emotional now, but no sensitive nipples or any of that.

What you guys think, maybe add 12.5mg aromasin once a week on injection day, and lay off the HCG? Maybe bump proviron up a tad? Haven't noticed a whole lot with proviron at 50mg to tell the truth. I do have Primo on hand as well if that's an option.
@Fletcher @Wiseguy

 

[Wiseguy]

I will drop HCG in a second. IMO totally useless and using 3 decades of gear never used it and have three kids all during cycle. Without the HCG I don’t think you need AI. I lay off that as well. Proviron works great just be patient. I feel emotionally extremely well on proviron with sense of well being and great sex drive.

 

[302jrob]

here we go.
I take 25 mg script exemestane 3 to 4 times a week.
with less than 300mg of test.
keeps E2 in the range

here we go. come at me

Same

 

[Astro95]

Are you taking the Hcg because it makes you feel better or because you’re trying to keep testicular function, fertility, fullness etc? If it’s not for any of those reasons, I’d get rid of it.

 

[lefty556]

Are you taking the Hcg because it makes you feel better or because you’re trying to keep testicular function, fertility, fullness etc? If it’s not for any of those reasons, I’d get rid of it.

So I've had a vasectomy years ago, and I've found just not as high a libido without it. Just like, feeling is missing without it. Stimulating the hpta axis if that makes sense, to keep her on low idle.

But maybe there are other options, primo, masteron, at lower dose?

 

[Astro95]

So I've had a vasectomy years ago, and I've found just not as high a libido without it. Just like, feeling is missing without it. Stimulating the hpta axis if that makes sense, to keep her on low idle.

But maybe there are other options, primo, masteron, at lower dose?

Yeah definitely get rid of it. I’ve never had any boost in libido from Hcg when I’ve used it, however my libido does change dramatically depending on how low or high my estrogen is, perhaps the Hcg was putting you in a “just right” e2 level where libido and sexual function was perfect at your TRT dose?

I’d stop the hcg and see what happens, before adding something else. Should bring your e2 down a bit. That doesn’t help sure throw in some primo or mast and see what it does.

 

[lefty556]

Here's the final result that showed the Free Testosterone (Direct).

Total T: >1500 (thought the test I picked would be the actual and not capped, my bad)
Free Testosterone(Direct): 42.2 (Range 6.8-21.5 / pg/mL)

I figured that Free T number would be higher, with taking 50mg proviron a day, but how good a number is that? Also any worries with the prolactin and cortisol being at the top of the range?

 

[Wardamn]

Drop the HCG.

 

[lefty556]

Drop the HCG.

Hcg is gone as of a little over a week ago.

 

[johnp76]

I always tell everyone you should do what works best for you. Now with that said I think you would benefit more replacing the HCG with Proviron.

Im currently on TRT with HCG. What does Proviron do?

 

[maxmuscle1]

Im currently on TRT with HCG. What does Proviron do?

Raises free testosterone, making your testosterone work more efficiently . Plus it does a lot mentally (makes you feel phenomenal) and raises sex drive .

You can have high total T and if it’s not circulating, your body isn’t using or taking advantage of the testosterone injections (in laymen terms)
Max

 

[johnp76]

Raises free testosterone, making your testosterone work more efficiently . Plus it does a lot mentally (makes you feel phenomenal) and raises sex drive .

You can have high total T and if it’s not circulating, your body isn’t using or taking advantage of the testosterone injections (in laymen terms)
Max

Thank you. Can it be used along with hcg?

 

[lefty556]

Thank you. Can it be used along with hcg?

I used it for a while with hcg. Without taking any ai, my estradiol levels went up and I felt more emotional than normal.

 

[AlabamaMan7]

Raises free testosterone, making your testosterone work more efficiently . Plus it does a lot mentally (makes you feel phenomenal) and raises sex drive .

You can have high total T and if it’s not circulating, your body isn’t using or taking advantage of the testosterone injections (in laymen terms)
Max

So if I started Proviron during a test-only cycle, that sounds like a decent setup

 

[johnp76]

Raises free testosterone, making your testosterone work more efficiently . Plus it does a lot mentally (makes you feel phenomenal) and raises sex drive .

You can have high total T and if it’s not circulating, your body isn’t using or taking advantage of the testosterone injections (in laymen terms)
Max

For how long can i run it with trt?

 

[Rivalson]

Test + provi. All day. You can run that year round.

 

[AlabamaMan7]

Test + provi. All day. You can run that year round.

At what dose for the provi? To be safe year round. What are the benefits of test and provi together?

 

[maxmuscle1]

For how long can i run it with trt?

When on TRT , I use one 25mg tablet (split dose daily) year round. It’s not for everyone but I have a nice Advanced TRT/GH program that I do most of the year except when blasting .

Max

 

[maxmuscle1]

Thank you. Can it be used along with hcg?

Of course . Some use 25mg split dose daily,
Some like 25mg twice a day (it’s up to the individuals budget. A lot of guys use small hcg shots throughout their TRT or cruise, adex or asin as needed . Arimidex is more popular in US.

Max

 

[Luther001]

I will say this... Proviron is simply an amazing compound. Truly feel amazing when taking it

I agree with this.

 

[Glycomann]

Just a word of awareness, watch your hematocrit, creatinine, and fasted glucose. Over time they can climb going back and forth from a high TRT (i.e. 200 mg/w) and little blasts. If they climb it could indicate some evel of organ stress.

 

[Push50]

Here's the final result that showed the Free Testosterone (Direct).

Total T: >1500 (thought the test I picked would be the actual and not capped, my bad)
Free Testosterone(Direct): 42.2 (Range 6.8-21.5 / pg/mL)

I figured that Free T number would be higher, with taking 50mg proviron a day, but how good a number is that? Also any worries with the prolactin and cortisol being at the top of the range?

SHBG could be elevated, did they run it? It could be binding up some of the test


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[Vision]

Just my opinion my friend and you do what works for you, but at 200mg of test a week you don't need HCG and AI. Everyone that knows me are aware how I feel about AI's and the damage it causes more that benefits. In over 30 years of cycling I have only taking AI's for a very short period of time due to high volume and blood proven that E2 was extremely high. I doubt your E2 at 200mg requires AI. If you haven't done so go ahead and get blood work and see what your estrogen levels are before taking AI's. Also I have three kids and never had to use HCG.

Again if it works for you great, just sharing my personal experience.

Also have a post regarding dangers of AI. You might want to take a look.

To the original poster, our brother wiseguy brings up some very good points right here with the potential dangers and hazards with using AIs..
Whenever we talk about gear we're running cycles, people immediately are already thinking about anti-estrogens and what dosages.
It wasn't so long ago that we didn't even know what an AI was, Now it's all over the internet on every regurgitated staple cycle.

They really are not necessary unless blood work indicates that level super succeed well above the expected elevation levels.

What does that statement mean?
When test goes up, so will your estrogen and many other hormones.. that is actually perfectly natural.
It's okay and perfectly safe to see elevated estrogen when testosterone is also elevated.

But what's not okay is when people try to ramp up test at supraphysiological levels, yet they are attempting to try and keep their estrogen within the textbook spectrum window. No dice.

People run away from estrogen like it's the boogeyman, Now unless we're going on stage there's nothing to worry about.
We don't need to obliterate it or nuke it, And there's also methods and protocols with diets and some compounds that we can add where we are not suppressing the estrogen but rather making our body impervious to its presence.

ER's (estrogen receptors) are found throughout the body, all over the place, some RECs are ultra sensitive with obvious reasons, and others they do things that do not affect us and you have no clue about.

It's more advisable to treat estrogen by way of it cellular interaction at specific receptors rather than just trying to remove it entirely from the equation. Because other receptors in the body actually need and rely on estrogen for many, many other different functionalities.

The obvious receptors here that we would like to treat and target, would be those that are on the glandular duct tissue in we're around the breast..

Tamoxifen is a great drug to employ on occasions to simply turn the noise down a little bit, and occupy those receptor sites, basically putting a ghillie suit on the receptors and estrogen leaves them alone and it passes on by harmlessly..

 

[Wiseguy]

@Vision you are so correct. Everyone just repeats what they read. AI’s didn’t even exist when I was cycling in the 80’s and 90’s. You did your cycle four weeks of Nvadex PCT and you were done. That goes for 500 mg of test for as standards for a first timer. What? 500mg of test. All these exotic and mix combos for average gym guys? No need unless you are stepping on stage and even at that you need a full diet and workout commitment.

Anyway just my opinion

 

[Vision]

@Vision you are so correct. Everyone just repeats what they read. AI’s didn’t even exist when I was cycling in the 80’s and 90’s. You did your cycle four weeks of Nvadex PCT and you were done. That goes for 500 mg of test for as standards for a first timer. What? 500mg of test. All these exotic and mix combos for average gym guys? No need unless you are stepping on stage and even at that you need a full diet and workout commitment.

Anyway just my opinion

Bingo bango.
Some of the best physiques, into this day the most inspiring physics that set the stage and platform for where we are today came from a time When a vast majority of what is practiced today wasn't even heard of. It's super amazing and great that we have came light years, but with these new discoveries doesn't mean that we have to run away from the basics.

And man it's so true that a PCT was unheard of, back then we thought the pyramid/tampering was the most effective 🤦
People would beat the pyramid protocol into other people's heads just like they beat anti-estrogens into people's heads today.