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Roe V Wade to be struck down

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So are we trying to join one of TRUMP's shithole countries?
 

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Lotta green on that map
 

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My wife was adopted. Her mother and father paid 10k to “adopt” her in 1968.

She was sold by the Catholic Church. Fuck a bunch of righteousness.
That's not how adoption services work. No one "sold" her and you know it. Did they profit from facilitating the transaction? Probably, most adoption services do. Nothing is free and if they weren't allowed to make some money to pay the people who do it, those services wouldn't exist. I know people who paid way more than that to adopt through attorneys and agencies. If those attorneys and agencies didn't charge money, adoptions would never happen. It's a long tedious process and no one's going to do it for free.
 

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Well as usual, you guys are missing the big picture here. Abortions kill roughly 300,000 African Americans every year so is it really that bad??? I say NO!!
And I think if we really band together as a nation we can drastically increase those numbers. So I say, let them overturn it, cuz we ain’t stoppin!!
 

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My wife and I could not have kids. We were married 10 years or so and accepted that we would not have kids and were ok with that. One day my sister in law told us about a woman she worked with who was alone and pregnant. She was going to have an abortion. We met this person and basically supported her for 9 months until she delivered. My wife was in the room and witnessed my son being born. We brought my son home when he was 2 days old. He is now 30 and is the center of our life and I couldn’t imagine life without him. We told him he was adopted from the time he could understand it. Maybe 3 years old. We even offered to pay for DNA tests to see if wanted to know if he had any siblings and he refused saying we are his family. So when I say I don’t disagree with abortion I know that if that woman had an abortion I would never have had my son but on the other hand if this woman kept him he would have had a life with no love and support that we give him. I see both sides personally but I think a kid being beat ignored or abused is worse than just never being alive And that is just my opinion.

I might need an A I because writing that brought tears to my eyes.
 

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That's not how adoption services work. No one "sold" her and you know it. Did they profit from facilitating the transaction? Probably, most adoption services do. Nothing is free and if they weren't allowed to make some money to pay the people who do it, those services wouldn't exist. I know people who paid way more than that to adopt through attorneys and agencies. If those attorneys and agencies didn't charge money, adoptions would never happen. It's a long tedious process and no one's going to do it for free.
Well, in this case I do know.
Her biological mother was taken to a Catholic church hospital when she was 17, gave birth and gave her up. Her parents actually signed her away, not her "mother" and they hid it for 52 years. She went to her adopted parents the next day. And they paid 10k. I can call the adopted mom right now and she'll say the same thing, there was no agency.
What did the church do with that money???
The fairy tales about adoption are lies. And when you add the church into the mix it's borderline criminal. My ex-wife had a cousin "adopt" a couple Korean babies through an agency and they paid almost 50k a piece all said and done. One was mentally retarded and the other had congenital heart disease and died at two.
They prey on peoples emotions at both ends of the deal. It just pisses me off when people so casually play this shit off like it's such an altruistic act. Babies are bought and sold everyday, it's just a matter of opening your eyes or not.
 

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Well as usual, you guys are missing the big picture here. Abortions kill roughly 300,000 African Americans every year so is it really that bad??? I say NO!!
And I think if we really band together as a nation we can drastically increase those numbers. So I say, let them overturn it, cuz we ain’t stoppin!!
Tv Land 90Ies GIF
 

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My ex-wife had a cousin "adopt" a couple Korean babies through an agency and they paid almost 50k a piece all said and done. One was mentally retarded and the other had congenital heart disease and died at two.
They prey on peoples emotions at both ends of the deal. It just pisses me off when people so casually play this shit off like it's such an altruistic act. Babies are bought and sold everyday, it's just a matter of opening your eyes or not.

Sounds like your wife was quite a deal at 10K. Super cheap for a white baby.
 

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Get Shredded!
Well, in this case I do know.
Her biological mother was taken to a Catholic church hospital when she was 17, gave birth and gave her up. Her parents actually signed her away, not her "mother" and they hid it for 52 years. She went to her adopted parents the next day. And they paid 10k. I can call the adopted mom right now and she'll say the same thing, there was no agency.
What did the church do with that money???
The fairy tales about adoption are lies. And when you add the church into the mix it's borderline criminal. My ex-wife had a cousin "adopt" a couple Korean babies through an agency and they paid almost 50k a piece all said and done. One was mentally retarded and the other had congenital heart disease and died at two.
They prey on peoples emotions at both ends of the deal. It just pisses me off when people so casually play this shit off like it's such an altruistic act. Babies are bought and sold everyday, it's just a matter of opening your eyes or not.
I do know very well. I've been through it. I've worked with attorneys and facilitated it for others. International and domestic. I don't know about the shady fucking shit that went on with your wife, but it sounds like it meets the legal definition of child trafficing for which there is no statute of limitations. If what you're saying is true, those involved could still go to jail for that. The Catholic services I've dealt with are totally legit and would never deal under the table like that. In fact, if you even suggested it, they would terminate their dealings with you.
 

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In the beginning we went to catholic charities to adopt. They told us we would have to house a birth mother and not the mother of our possible child, just a random woman that someone else would get that child. Then when our turn came up we would have to take that child regardless of health or issues. I told my wife fuck that I will go without and we did until the good lord entered the other woman in to our lives. But again most women that go for abortions are not fit to bring a child into this world. Like I always tell my wife any woman can bring a child into this world but it takes a special woman to be a Mom and we will celebrate her this Sunday.
 

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And when it comes to international adoptions, adoptive parents have to state on their application what level of disability they are willing to accept. The waiting list is long and some parents are so desperate that they will take severe disabilities just to make it happen. Sadly, it is a decision that they often regret.
 

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And when it comes to international adoptions, adoptive parents have to state on their application what level of disability they are willing to accept. The waiting list is long and some parents are so desperate that they will take severe disabilities just to make it happen. Sadly, it is a decision that they often regret.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Desperate people willing to do anything for a baby. ANY baby.
 

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I do know very well. I've been through it. I've worked with attorneys and facilitated it for others. International and domestic. I don't know about the shady fucking shit that went on with your wife, but it sounds like it meets the legal definition of child trafficing for which there is no statute of limitations. If what you're saying is true, those involved could still go to jail for that. The Catholic services I've dealt with are totally legit and would never deal under the table like that. In fact, if you even suggested it, they would terminate their dealings with you.
I’m sure there are genuine people helping folks. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a throw all fish in the kettle guy.
 

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For such a sensitive topic which many are passionate about.

I have to say I am exceptionally impressed by the dialogue. Many people disagreed but everyone had legit reasons for their beliefs and everyone was so respectful in this Convo.

Class act you guys. Genuinely proud to be part of the family of ASF tonight.

Much love to everyone here regardless of your opinion on the topic 🙏🙏💪💪💪
 

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If youre a believer in Christ like me, I believe one has to consider the fact youre given free will in every aspect of life, if you murder someone, you will deal with the consequences of the law and then again with God. I dont think the government has a place in the abortion decision at all. If a doctor wants to give an abortion, and a woman who wants an abortion pays him to do it, it’s none of my business. That should remain between them and God. Personally I hate the fact that the majority of abortions are done as birth control, but actual birth control falls under personal accountability and that is not popular these days not is taught.

Its 2022 and I know for a fact IUD, are good fro 10 yrs and have been around for at least that along. Every guy knows how to use a condom, and everywoman knows about the pill. Therefore, abortion is not the issue, I believe sexual/parenting education in high school would be a great start eradicating abortion used for birth control

Taking away legal abortions will not put the missing value back in the value of a life. People will still use it as birth control, It’s just going to make the world divide more and then like the alcohol prohibition days people will find a way to get what they want.
 
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Sooo...
I'm ASSUMING all of u anti women's rights (for Wes) folks would be okay when some junkie rapes and gets your DAUGHTER pregnant .
She should have that little fucker right? Maybe even raise it to be her very own?
Yes?
Yes yes?
this has nothing to do with women's rights cause men can have babies too. ....
 

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Pregnancy from rape is 100% preventable.

Abortions for convenience should come with mandatory hysterectomies.

Any woman who brags about or gets an abortion due to convenience should be forced to eat it like a rabbit sometimes will eat it’s young.

Child support should not exist in states where abortion is legal.

Raising kids isn’t difficult and it doesn’t cost that much. Just keep the food and water dish full. Also, contrary to popular opinion, raising kids doesn’t prevent you from living your life or pursuing your dreams and ambitions.

Again. Government needs not be involved.
 

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A simple comment: Gen X has 65 million people. Sicne Roe v Wade 62 million have been aborted. A high percentage were in the African American community. If Gen X was exterminated that would be a genocide. Margaret Sanger reached her goal. I hope she is burning in hell.
 

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Pregnancy from rape is 100% preventable.

Abortions for convenience should come with mandatory hysterectomies.

Any woman who brags about or gets an abortion due to convenience should be forced to eat it like a rabbit sometimes will eat it’s young.

Child support should not exist in states where abortion is legal.

Raising kids isn’t difficult and it doesn’t cost that much. Just keep the food and water dish full. Also, contrary to popular opinion, raising kids doesn’t prevent you from living your life or pursuing your dreams and ambitions.

Again. Government needs not be involved.
Could be preventable sure. But let's not forget the west boro Baptist freaks that will chant whore at the little girl's Going in for meds to stop the pregnancy. So most might not go out of shame. Which is a very real possibility. The help is there. But getting to it might be harder than one expects. For these youngsters or children of religious families.
 

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Pregnancy from rape is 100% preventable.

Abortions for convenience should come with mandatory hysterectomies.

Any woman who brags about or gets an abortion due to convenience should be forced to eat it like a rabbit sometimes will eat it’s young.

Child support should not exist in states where abortion is legal.the food and water dish full. Also, contrary to popular opinion, raising kids doesn’t prevent you from living your life or pursuing your dreams and ambitions.

Again. Government needs not be involved.


LOL, your kids are still young. You just wait homey LOL:funny::funny:
 

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Could be preventable sure. But let's not forget the west boro Baptist freaks that will chant whore at the little girl's Going in for meds to stop the pregnancy. So most might not go out of shame. Which is a very real possibility. The help is there. But getting to it might be harder than one expects. For these youngsters or children of religious families.
Funny, being called a whore doesn’t seem to stop them from spreading their legs
 

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Funny, being called a whore doesn’t seem to stop them from spreading their legs
I gotta give you credit man. Your hate for women is real. I’m assuming one fucked you over at some point?
 

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Funny, being called a whore doesn’t seem to stop them from spreading their legs
True and it shouldn't tho. I like fucking chicks. And if u called one a whore and I couldn't get pussy over the whore shaming. I'd be awfully upset with ya. Lol

The fact is. Either way this goes. People will Be upset. There's always a losing side.
 
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