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PCT is an Obligation ?

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Hey friends...

Do you think Pct is an obligation ?
If yes, who should use PCT and who are not have to do it ?

For Ex.; I wanna take Testo E. + Boldenon + Oxandrolone (as a first and clean cycle) for 12 weeks as a pyramid system (from 100mg to 600mg raising and then 600mg to 100mg decreasing)

Some of my trainers say you don't have to use PCT. Just control your chest, if you see any jinecomastia then you can start nolvadex / arimidex against it.

What do you think about using PCT
 

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Always use pct. Simple answer is you need to to grow your balls back in a timely manner

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Always use pct. Simple answer is you need to to grow your balls back in a timely manner

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Ok. Let's say i'll use pct after 12 weeks of cycle. (Testo E.+Bold+Anavar)
Nolvadex is enough ? Or i've to use Pregnyl ?
 

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If your goal is to get the boys working again yes of course pct is necessary.





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Working in the field I saw labs that commonly showed hypogonadal males taking anywhere from 2-12 months to return to natural HPTA. When Clomid therapy was administered for several months during Post Cycle Therapy, that time frame substantially shortened.

So yes, you need PCT.

A deficient testosterone level will show muscle loss, amongst other unfavorable side effects.
 

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Hey homie, let I'll try to explain it to you.

PCT is not an obligation! That's simple, if you care about your health, you do PCT, if not, you can skip it. Also, you can skip it, if you have compounds in your cruise that do not oppress your native testosterone production, like Dbol for example.

Let see on your shown example, it's easy, you use the test, your own test production will be oppressed so much, how long you will use external testosterone and depends on dosage, you should do a PCT at least 4 weeks with Nolva or Clomed, better 6 weeks.
 

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Working in the field I saw labs that commonly showed hypogonadal males taking anywhere from 2-12 months to return to natural HPTA. When Clomid therapy was administered for several months during Post Cycle Therapy, that time frame substantially shortened.

So yes, you need PCT.

A deficient testosterone level will show muscle loss, amongst other unfavorable side effects.

Thanks for repy. I wanna ask the same question to you too:
Let's say i'll use pct after 12 weeks of cycle. (Testo E.+Bold or Primobolan+Anavar)
Nolvadex is enough ? Or i've to use Pregnyl ?
 

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A deficient testosterone level will show muscle loss,.

That’s not entirely true. I got off test after blast and cruising for over a full year and didn’t lose a single pound. Didn’t do any pct and went right into a deca solo blast.
 

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That’s not entirely true. I got off test after blast and cruising for over a full year and didn’t lose a single pound. Didn’t do any pct and went right into a deca solo blast.

You forgot to add - "And after the deca solo blast, my little bro do not wake up more"
 

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You forgot to add - "And after the deca solo blast, my little bro do not wake up more"

Skrrrtttt pump the brakes homie. What factual basis do you have for that accusation?

How was your deca solo run?
 

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I didn't play with deca-dick bro, I use in only wiithtest... lol

Lmao so what room do you have to state that then?

I’ve read through MANY threads of guys running deca at 1g+ for over 9 months at a time and not a single dick problem. I’m not saying it can’t happen, but because you “heard” it can happen doesn’t mean it will based off faulty anecdotal evidence.


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Lmao so what room do you have to state that then?

I’ve read through MANY threads of guys running deca at 1g+ for over 9 months at a time and not a single dick problem. I’m not saying it can’t happen, but because you “heard” it can happen doesn’t mean it will based off faulty anecdotal evidence.



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Because of progestenic effect, deca solo, kills your natural test production as fuck. If you want to be an impotent at 30, let play with it....damn dude, I was imagine that you're joking, but now I see that you are serious. Dont put as examle dumbasses which playswith this shit :)

Health is a main thing. And after deca solo run, simple, take a blood test and u will see about which I told.
 

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Because of progestenic effect, deca solo, kills your natural test production as fuck. If you want to be an impotent at 30, let play with it....damn dude, I was imagine that you're joking, but now I see that you are serious. Dont put as examle dumbasses which playswith this shit :)

Health is a main thing. And after deca solo run, simple, take a blood test and u will see about which I told.

Lmao I see you are set in your ways, as is majority of this board, despite wrong information. Not wasting my fucking time arguing. There’s an entire deca solo thread discussion that’s like 80 pages long go have a look. Plenty of lab studies done.
 

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Lmao I see you are set in your ways, as is majority of this board, despite wrong information. Not wasting my fucking time arguing. There’s an entire deca solo thread discussion that’s like 80 pages long go have a look. Plenty of lab studies done.

Let everyone will remains with his own opinion bro. It will be better IMO :)
 

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Hey homie, let I'll try to explain it to you.

PCT is not an obligation! That's simple, if you care about your health, you do PCT, if not, you can skip it. Also, you can skip it, if you have compounds in your cruise that do not oppress your native testosterone production, like Dbol for example.

Let see on your shown example, it's easy, you use the test, your own test production will be oppressed so much, how long you will use external testosterone and depends on dosage, you should do a PCT at least 4 weeks with Nolva or Clomed, better 6 weeks.
Are you teling this member he can run a dbol cruise and it will not affect his recovery. If that is what you are saying u have no business giving advice to anyone

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Are you teling this member he can run a dbol cruise and it will not affect his recovery. If that is what you are saying u have no business giving advice to anyone

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Are you teling this member he can run a dbol cruise and it will not affect his recovery. If that is what you are saying u have no business giving advice to anyone

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If you know the main effect of Dbol is manifested in a rapid increase in muscle mass, due to the activation of protein synthesis, glycogenesis, okay? Also Dbol has a relatively weak androgenic effect (50% compared with testosterone), but he exists anyway.... I didn't mean that PCT after Dbol not needed, but I know guys which don't did PCT after 6 weeks Dbol solo. Okay? Nice try to kick my ass...LOL..
 
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If you know the main effect of Dbol is manifested in a rapid increase in muscle mass, due to the activation of protein synthesis, glycogenesis, okay? Also Dbol has a relatively weak androgenic effect (50% compared with testosterone), but he exists anyway.... I didn't say that PCT after Dbol not needed, but I know guys which don't did PCT after 6 weeks Dbol solo. Okay? Nice try to kick my ass...LOL
Sounded to me like you were saying the dbol bridge is ok and you will still recover yor natural t levels which is a false statement.

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If you know the main effect of Dbol is manifested in a rapid increase in muscle mass, due to the activation of protein synthesis, glycogenesis, okay? Also Dbol has a relatively weak androgenic effect (50% compared with testosterone), but he exists anyway.... I didn't say that PCT after Dbol not needed, but I know guys which don't did PCT after 6 weeks Dbol solo. Okay? Nice try to kick my ass...LOL
6 weeks of dbol with no pct is dumb why would anyone do that...... and running dbol solo is a total waste. my opinion. I only say things when I see people giving advice that may hurt ppl.

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Sounded to me like you were saying the dbol bridge is ok and you will still recover yor natural t levels which is a false statement.

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Bridge to bridge are different, someone using test like a bridge someone clomid. But, again, I know guys who used Dbol 6 weeks without any pct, more then 6 it other question.
 

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6 weeks of dbol with no pct is dumb why would anyone do that...... and running dbol solo is a total waste. my opinion. I only say things when I see people giving advice that may hurt ppl.

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And show me the phrase which looks "Dude use Dbol without PCT"... where is the Advice about you say.... damn...
 

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That’s not entirely true. I got off test after blast and cruising for over a full year and didn’t lose a single pound. Didn’t do any pct and went right into a deca solo blast.

There are alot of studies over the years that reflect this correlation :)

[h=1]Relationship between low free testosterone levels and loss of muscle mass.[/h]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23660939

[h=1]Effects of testosterone treatment on body fat and lean mass in obese men on a hypocaloric diet: a randomised controlled trial[/h]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5054608/



[h=1]Review of health risks of low testosterone and testosterone administration[/h]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4391003/
 

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Hey friends...

Do you think Pct is an obligation ?
If yes, who should use PCT and who are not have to do it ?

For Ex.; I wanna take Testo E. + Boldenon + Oxandrolone (as a first and clean cycle) for 12 weeks as a pyramid system (from 100mg to 600mg raising and then 600mg to 100mg decreasing)

Some of my trainers say you don't have to use PCT. Just control your chest, if you see any jinecomastia then you can start nolvadex / arimidex against it.

What do you think about using PCT


Well, first things first. For your first cycle, just do 500 mg test a week for 10 weeks.

Forget all of that other stuff, boldenone, oxandrolone . . . If I added anything at all it would be dianabol for the first 4-6 weeks.

As to whether to PCT, why are you doing this cycle at all? Do you want to be a competitive bodybuilder? If so, then no PCT, as you're just wasting time. Are you just a gym rat wanting to throw on some quick muscle and watch it ever so slowly go away after the cycle? Then PCT.

Of course, it depends on whether you already reached you limit based on your natural hormones. If you have, and the steroids give you more muscle mass than your natural hormone levels can support, then you will get softer and lose size over time. This is not a matter of opinion. If you have not maxed out your potential based on your natural level of hormones, then you can keep most of your gains indefinitely so long as your diet and training stays consistent.

You just are not going to keep suprahysiological size for very long when going off. I tried it for years. It does not work.
 

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Just the fact you have to ask this question leads me to believe a few things

Why you need pct if you cycle

What happens after a cycle.

How your body will respond to getting testosterone extraneously.


....def should have the answers to these questions and when you do, you'd realize the question you asked is pretty obvious.
 
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