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Heya to everyone from the great white north! I do have questions, and I'm sure you've heard them all before, but everytime I do a search, it veers off in a million directions! So basically I'm gonna give you my life story and hopefully you'll all go easy on me lol
First off, I'll be hitting the big 50 this May, and for some reason it's annoying me more than any other milestone birthday. Until about 5 years ago I was in not horrible shape, a little bit overweight but nothing to get all worried about. Then I took a job getting off the tools. I'm a millwright by trade, and at this point my hands are kinda fucked so it seemed like a good idea. In that time though, I put on about 70 lbs. This put me at morbidly obese, I'm only 5'2" so 70 is ALOT. I had no gas in the tank, and walking from the couch to the fridge what a chore. I was exhausted all the time. I went to the doc, and aside from the big problem of my weight, it turns out my test levels were non-existent. I'm not talking a little low I'm talking tanked.
So I started out on TRT, and quickly went from a cream that did nothing to injections. First test cyp, and then with a new doc ethanate. After a year of tweaking, I'm currently on 130mg of test ethanate weekly, and thats putting me slightly above the upper limit of "normal" range.
While I was doing this, I decided I was going to make an honest attempt at losing all this extra and getting myself into better shape. The first while I was on and off, but I really started to get serious about it towards the end of last summer. I have been pretty damn determined with food tracking and consistent in the gym. Perfect? No, but pretty damn close. I track pretty much everything that goes into my mouth. I wanted to really try to make the most of the muscle I had, so I've been eating around 2300cal a day and that puts me around 1lb a week lost. I'm down 40lbs and feeling much better.
Which brings me to my first cycle. I've been considering it for the past couple months, reading and absorbing what I can, and have decided to go for it. I'll be straight up with everyone. I have read a lot, the general consensus being to have a few years of solid training under your belt. I've also read that you should squeeze as much as you can out of your genetic potential before considering AAS. When you're 50, you don't give a shit about all that. If I wait until I've hit my maximum genetic potential, it will probably never happen. What I can say is I am consistent with my training, I don't skip out and I consider everything I eat.
Now the questions......

I was set on bumping up my test from the current 130/week into around the 300/week mark and adding in 20mg anavar daily. I like what I hear about Anavar when it comes to holding on to the muscle you have while in a cut. I do realize it is not a fat burner, but it does work well for people who are trying to hold on to what they have. My question is I keep reading that your first cycle should be test only and nothing else, with the train of thought being if things go south, you know what caused it to go south. Should I be thinking like this considering I've already been on test for over a year?
Next, exactly how significant is the liver toxicity with anavar? I mean, it's generally accepted it's not ideal, but how bad is it in comparison to someone who has a few drinks every night after work, or someone who get all shittered on the weekends. I ask because I don't drink. At all. I mean I have had one glass of wine since Christmas, but I don't even have alcohol in the house. So I'm assuming thats a bonus for me?
Third, the test. I have an 8 week window, so I was figuring 6-8 weeks for the anavar, and 8 weeks for the test. Reason being, in 12 weeks I have my bloodwork for my regular TRT, and if my numbers are ridiculously high, there's a good chance she'll pull my script. I was told instead of running more Ethanate, to "top up" with test prop because my numbers will drop back down quicker. Is this accurate?
Silly question, but if I do test ethanate and test prop twice a week, can I mix the injections? Like draw my ethanate into the syringe, then draw my prop into the same syringe and just pin once?
Finally, estrogen control. What is everyones take on it? As it stands now, my Estradiol is high, but it doesn't seem to be affecting me at all, and my doctor seems like her stance is anti-AI. Should I keep it handy?
Ok, one more. I'm considering 5mg Cialis daily as my johnson performance isn't ideal. In fact that's one of the reasons I started down the whole TRT route to begin with. It's greatly improved and isn't really an issue, but I'm hoping a bit of Cialis will improve the "quality" of my erections if you get me. Plus there seems to be many reasons why daily Cialis is a good idea.
Anyways, for those of you who actually had the patience to read my first novel, thank you! And feel free to chip in!
 

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Welcome bro 🤟 I recently started. 5mg Cialis daily and let me tell you I can't believe i didn't try this sooner it's definitely helped in the down stairs area 100%
 

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I always recommend just Test the first 2 cycles..
There are significant reasons for this..
Estrogen control is paramount..Aromison is one of the best AI's..
I can tell you once you start cycling, you won't want to stop..so fuck that Dr....lol
Do your own TRT..
FIRST CYCLE...Keep it simple..
50 isn't old..I'll be 57 on the 3rd..
Still grinding..
You'll get some good input..
AND
WELCOME...
Z...
 

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Welcome to ASF brother!
 

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Welcome! I’m sure you’ll get some good feedback on your post, there’s lots of knowledge here. I have no advice, as I am also a Trt guy contemplating my first cycle. I’ll be watching this thread, hopefully more OG’s chime in soon.
 

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Heya to everyone from the great white north! I do have questions, and I'm sure you've heard them all before, but everytime I do a search, it veers off in a million directions! So basically I'm gonna give you my life story and hopefully you'll all go easy on me lol
First off, I'll be hitting the big 50 this May, and for some reason it's annoying me more than any other milestone birthday. Until about 5 years ago I was in not horrible shape, a little bit overweight but nothing to get all worried about. Then I took a job getting off the tools. I'm a millwright by trade, and at this point my hands are kinda fucked so it seemed like a good idea. In that time though, I put on about 70 lbs. This put me at morbidly obese, I'm only 5'2" so 70 is ALOT. I had no gas in the tank, and walking from the couch to the fridge what a chore. I was exhausted all the time. I went to the doc, and aside from the big problem of my weight, it turns out my test levels were non-existent. I'm not talking a little low I'm talking tanked.
So I started out on TRT, and quickly went from a cream that did nothing to injections. First test cyp, and then with a new doc ethanate. After a year of tweaking, I'm currently on 130mg of test ethanate weekly, and thats putting me slightly above the upper limit of "normal" range.
While I was doing this, I decided I was going to make an honest attempt at losing all this extra and getting myself into better shape. The first while I was on and off, but I really started to get serious about it towards the end of last summer. I have been pretty damn determined with food tracking and consistent in the gym. Perfect? No, but pretty damn close. I track pretty much everything that goes into my mouth. I wanted to really try to make the most of the muscle I had, so I've been eating around 2300cal a day and that puts me around 1lb a week lost. I'm down 40lbs and feeling much better.
Which brings me to my first cycle. I've been considering it for the past couple months, reading and absorbing what I can, and have decided to go for it. I'll be straight up with everyone. I have read a lot, the general consensus being to have a few years of solid training under your belt. I've also read that you should squeeze as much as you can out of your genetic potential before considering AAS. When you're 50, you don't give a shit about all that. If I wait until I've hit my maximum genetic potential, it will probably never happen. What I can say is I am consistent with my training, I don't skip out and I consider everything I eat.
Now the questions......

I was set on bumping up my test from the current 130/week into around the 300/week mark and adding in 20mg anavar daily. I like what I hear about Anavar when it comes to holding on to the muscle you have while in a cut. I do realize it is not a fat burner, but it does work well for people who are trying to hold on to what they have. My question is I keep reading that your first cycle should be test only and nothing else, with the train of thought being if things go south, you know what caused it to go south. Should I be thinking like this considering I've already been on test for over a year?
Next, exactly how significant is the liver toxicity with anavar? I mean, it's generally accepted it's not ideal, but how bad is it in comparison to someone who has a few drinks every night after work, or someone who get all shittered on the weekends. I ask because I don't drink. At all. I mean I have had one glass of wine since Christmas, but I don't even have alcohol in the house. So I'm assuming thats a bonus for me?
Third, the test. I have an 8 week window, so I was figuring 6-8 weeks for the anavar, and 8 weeks for the test. Reason being, in 12 weeks I have my bloodwork for my regular TRT, and if my numbers are ridiculously high, there's a good chance she'll pull my script. I was told instead of running more Ethanate, to "top up" with test prop because my numbers will drop back down quicker. Is this accurate?
Silly question, but if I do test ethanate and test prop twice a week, can I mix the injections? Like draw my ethanate into the syringe, then draw my prop into the same syringe and just pin once?
Finally, estrogen control. What is everyones take on it? As it stands now, my Estradiol is high, but it doesn't seem to be affecting me at all, and my doctor seems like her stance is anti-AI. Should I keep it handy?
Ok, one more. I'm considering 5mg Cialis daily as my johnson performance isn't ideal. In fact that's one of the reasons I started down the whole TRT route to begin with. It's greatly improved and isn't really an issue, but I'm hoping a bit of Cialis will improve the "quality" of my erections if you get me. Plus there seems to be many reasons why daily Cialis is a good idea.
Anyways, for those of you who actually had the patience to read my first novel, thank you! And feel free to chip in!
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Heya to everyone from the great white north! I do have questions, and I'm sure you've heard them all before, but everytime I do a search, it veers off in a million directions! So basically I'm gonna give you my life story and hopefully you'll all go easy on me lol
First off, I'll be hitting the big 50 this May, and for some reason it's annoying me more than any other milestone birthday. Until about 5 years ago I was in not horrible shape, a little bit overweight but nothing to get all worried about. Then I took a job getting off the tools. I'm a millwright by trade, and at this point my hands are kinda fucked so it seemed like a good idea. In that time though, I put on about 70 lbs. This put me at morbidly obese, I'm only 5'2" so 70 is ALOT. I had no gas in the tank, and walking from the couch to the fridge what a chore. I was exhausted all the time. I went to the doc, and aside from the big problem of my weight, it turns out my test levels were non-existent. I'm not talking a little low I'm talking tanked.
So I started out on TRT, and quickly went from a cream that did nothing to injections. First test cyp, and then with a new doc ethanate. After a year of tweaking, I'm currently on 130mg of test ethanate weekly, and thats putting me slightly above the upper limit of "normal" range.
While I was doing this, I decided I was going to make an honest attempt at losing all this extra and getting myself into better shape. The first while I was on and off, but I really started to get serious about it towards the end of last summer. I have been pretty damn determined with food tracking and consistent in the gym. Perfect? No, but pretty damn close. I track pretty much everything that goes into my mouth. I wanted to really try to make the most of the muscle I had, so I've been eating around 2300cal a day and that puts me around 1lb a week lost. I'm down 40lbs and feeling much better.
Which brings me to my first cycle. I've been considering it for the past couple months, reading and absorbing what I can, and have decided to go for it. I'll be straight up with everyone. I have read a lot, the general consensus being to have a few years of solid training under your belt. I've also read that you should squeeze as much as you can out of your genetic potential before considering AAS. When you're 50, you don't give a shit about all that. If I wait until I've hit my maximum genetic potential, it will probably never happen. What I can say is I am consistent with my training, I don't skip out and I consider everything I eat.
Now the questions......

I was set on bumping up my test from the current 130/week into around the 300/week mark and adding in 20mg anavar daily. I like what I hear about Anavar when it comes to holding on to the muscle you have while in a cut. I do realize it is not a fat burner, but it does work well for people who are trying to hold on to what they have. My question is I keep reading that your first cycle should be test only and nothing else, with the train of thought being if things go south, you know what caused it to go south. Should I be thinking like this considering I've already been on test for over a year?
Next, exactly how significant is the liver toxicity with anavar? I mean, it's generally accepted it's not ideal, but how bad is it in comparison to someone who has a few drinks every night after work, or someone who get all shittered on the weekends. I ask because I don't drink. At all. I mean I have had one glass of wine since Christmas, but I don't even have alcohol in the house. So I'm assuming thats a bonus for me?
Third, the test. I have an 8 week window, so I was figuring 6-8 weeks for the anavar, and 8 weeks for the test. Reason being, in 12 weeks I have my bloodwork for my regular TRT, and if my numbers are ridiculously high, there's a good chance she'll pull my script. I was told instead of running more Ethanate, to "top up" with test prop because my numbers will drop back down quicker. Is this accurate?
Silly question, but if I do test ethanate and test prop twice a week, can I mix the injections? Like draw my ethanate into the syringe, then draw my prop into the same syringe and just pin once?
Finally, estrogen control. What is everyones take on it? As it stands now, my Estradiol is high, but it doesn't seem to be affecting me at all, and my doctor seems like her stance is anti-AI. Should I keep it handy?
Ok, one more. I'm considering 5mg Cialis daily as my johnson performance isn't ideal. In fact that's one of the reasons I started down the whole TRT route to begin with. It's greatly improved and isn't really an issue, but I'm hoping a bit of Cialis will improve the "quality" of my erections if you get me. Plus there seems to be many reasons why daily Cialis is a good idea.
Anyways, for those of you who actually had the patience to read my first novel, thank you! And feel free to chip in!
You're miles ahead of every other new person here...

You did your own homework and did it correctly. People will now gladly help you since you're showing how serious you are and that you're actually willing to work.

I want to see what everyone says and then I'll give you my input.

Welcome to ASF!!!

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Heya to everyone from the great white north! I do have questions, and I'm sure you've heard them all before, but everytime I do a search, it veers off in a million directions! So basically I'm gonna give you my life story and hopefully you'll all go easy on me lol
First off, I'll be hitting the big 50 this May, and for some reason it's annoying me more than any other milestone birthday. Until about 5 years ago I was in not horrible shape, a little bit overweight but nothing to get all worried about. Then I took a job getting off the tools. I'm a millwright by trade, and at this point my hands are kinda fucked so it seemed like a good idea. In that time though, I put on about 70 lbs. This put me at morbidly obese, I'm only 5'2" so 70 is ALOT. I had no gas in the tank, and walking from the couch to the fridge what a chore. I was exhausted all the time. I went to the doc, and aside from the big problem of my weight, it turns out my test levels were non-existent. I'm not talking a little low I'm talking tanked.
So I started out on TRT, and quickly went from a cream that did nothing to injections. First test cyp, and then with a new doc ethanate. After a year of tweaking, I'm currently on 130mg of test ethanate weekly, and thats putting me slightly above the upper limit of "normal" range.
While I was doing this, I decided I was going to make an honest attempt at losing all this extra and getting myself into better shape. The first while I was on and off, but I really started to get serious about it towards the end of last summer. I have been pretty damn determined with food tracking and consistent in the gym. Perfect? No, but pretty damn close. I track pretty much everything that goes into my mouth. I wanted to really try to make the most of the muscle I had, so I've been eating around 2300cal a day and that puts me around 1lb a week lost. I'm down 40lbs and feeling much better.
Which brings me to my first cycle. I've been considering it for the past couple months, reading and absorbing what I can, and have decided to go for it. I'll be straight up with everyone. I have read a lot, the general consensus being to have a few years of solid training under your belt. I've also read that you should squeeze as much as you can out of your genetic potential before considering AAS. When you're 50, you don't give a shit about all that. If I wait until I've hit my maximum genetic potential, it will probably never happen. What I can say is I am consistent with my training, I don't skip out and I consider everything I eat.
Now the questions......

I was set on bumping up my test from the current 130/week into around the 300/week mark and adding in 20mg anavar daily. I like what I hear about Anavar when it comes to holding on to the muscle you have while in a cut. I do realize it is not a fat burner, but it does work well for people who are trying to hold on to what they have. My question is I keep reading that your first cycle should be test only and nothing else, with the train of thought being if things go south, you know what caused it to go south. Should I be thinking like this considering I've already been on test for over a year?
Next, exactly how significant is the liver toxicity with anavar? I mean, it's generally accepted it's not ideal, but how bad is it in comparison to someone who has a few drinks every night after work, or someone who get all shittered on the weekends. I ask because I don't drink. At all. I mean I have had one glass of wine since Christmas, but I don't even have alcohol in the house. So I'm assuming thats a bonus for me?
Third, the test. I have an 8 week window, so I was figuring 6-8 weeks for the anavar, and 8 weeks for the test. Reason being, in 12 weeks I have my bloodwork for my regular TRT, and if my numbers are ridiculously high, there's a good chance she'll pull my script. I was told instead of running more Ethanate, to "top up" with test prop because my numbers will drop back down quicker. Is this accurate?
Silly question, but if I do test ethanate and test prop twice a week, can I mix the injections? Like draw my ethanate into the syringe, then draw my prop into the same syringe and just pin once?
Finally, estrogen control. What is everyones take on it? As it stands now, my Estradiol is high, but it doesn't seem to be affecting me at all, and my doctor seems like her stance is anti-AI. Should I keep it handy?
Ok, one more. I'm considering 5mg Cialis daily as my johnson performance isn't ideal. In fact that's one of the reasons I started down the whole TRT route to begin with. It's greatly improved and isn't really an issue, but I'm hoping a bit of Cialis will improve the "quality" of my erections if you get me. Plus there seems to be many reasons why daily Cialis is a good idea.
Anyways, for those of you who actually had the patience to read my first novel, thank you! And feel free to chip in!
New here and 55 myself, but feel great and in the shape I wanna be. I’m mostly just reading guys posts to get ideas.
 

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I’m a former TRT guy who now runs TRT on my own and gets blood work done religiously. My clinic jacked my estrogen all up and wouldn’t let me go over 150mg.

I basically cruise at 200mg year round and will throw in 1-2 blasts a year. It works for me. I get my blood tested every 3-4 months, estrogen is in check and I feel great.

TRT is amazing but some of these doctors don’t have a clue as to what they’re doing. You know your body etc.
 

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I’m a former TRT guy who now runs TRT on my own and gets blood work done religiously. My clinic jacked my estrogen all up and wouldn’t let me go over 150mg.

I basically cruise at 200mg year round and will throw in 1-2 blasts a year. It works for me. I get my blood tested every 3-4 months, estrogen is in check and I feel great.

TRT is amazing but some of these doctors don’t have a clue as to what they’re doing. You know your body etc.
Oh I agree, I just don't wanna lose my script because my benefits covers a good chunk. I was at 130/week at one point and that is when I actually started to think ok this is worth it, then they bumped me down because my numbers were high. Frustrating
 

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Oh I agree, I just don't wanna lose my script because my benefits covers a good chunk. I was at 130/week at one point and that is when I actually started to think ok this is worth it, then they bumped me down because my numbers were high. Frustrating

Another option I’ve heard of is guys mixing in anavar or Turinabol as an oral with TRT. I’ve never done this so I can’t comment on it. Just another things I heard
 

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Yes, you should be thinking Test only because you’ve been on only a TRT dose of test where sides are minimal. Just as you expect your Test levels to change by upping from 130mg to 300mg, so will other things change, nothing worrisome, but you wanna see what happens.

Anavars liver toxicity is not high, but it can throw off your lipids, people always think anavar is safe because they only consider the liver.

8 week cycle of Anavar? That’s up to you, at 50 I wouldn’t do much waiting to be honest, shit I didn’t even do it in my 20s. YOLO I’d say, but do constant bloodwork. I run orals 6 weeks tops on Tbol or Var all others 4 weeks or less.

For an 8 week cycle I’d use prop, be very careful with timing if you wanna keep that script. I usually don’t like to play with timelines like that cause I always get carried away and get caught doing shit I shouldn’t have. Kinda agree with Z, but that’s a decision for you to make.

Yes, ALL compounds can be mixed as long as you keep the oil with oil and water with water.

How high is your estrogen? Nobody likes AI, the less drugs the better and it can bring nasty side effects if not used properly, but if you need it you must have it and use it accordingly based on your bloodwork. Pretty sure you’ll need it if you up your dose to 300mg if it’s already high at 130mg, BUT don’t go off me, estrogen control always goes off bloodwork. I don’t let mine creep close to 100. 70-50 I feel good at, but that’s just my personal numbers, you gotta find your own sweet spot. Remember higher estrogen helps you grow, lower estrogen is preferable when leaning out, too high or too low brings problems.

5mg cialis is great, unless for some reason your body doesn’t like it, then toss it.

Keep an eye on your blood pressure daily, if you don’t already.

Welcome to ASF.
 

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Estradiol 293 <162 pmol/L
DHEA Sulphate 2.1 <9.8 umol/L
Testosterone 31.6 8.4-28.8 nmol/L
Testosterone Free Calculated 855 115-577 pmol/L

Testosterone Bioavailable Calculated 20.0 2.7-13.5 nmol/L

I have decided to go test only, and ordered some aromasin with it as well as daily cialis
 

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Estradiol 293 <162 pmol/L
DHEA Sulphate 2.1 <9.8 umol/L
Testosterone 31.6 8.4-28.8 nmol/L
Testosterone Free Calculated 855 115-577 pmol/L

Testosterone Bioavailable Calculated 20.0 2.7-13.5 nmol/L

I have decided to go test only, and ordered some aromasin with it as well as daily cialis
Yes you differently need a ai and test bro . Cialis is just icing on the cake
 

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Estradiol 293 <162 pmol/L
DHEA Sulphate 2.1 <9.8 umol/L
Testosterone 31.6 8.4-28.8 nmol/L
Testosterone Free Calculated 855 115-577 pmol/L

Testosterone Bioavailable Calculated 20.0 2.7-13.5 nmol/L

I have decided to go test only, and ordered some aromasin with it as well as daily cialis
Yep you need an AI BAD, you’re half a woman right now.
 

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Yep you need an AI BAD, you’re half a woman right now.
Right? That's what I said, but this doc seems anti AI. Having said that, I'm not feeling at all like a little bitch, in fact feeling pretty decent
 

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Welcome bro..
Good advice given already..that # is crazy
 

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Right? That's what I said, but this doc seems anti AI. Having said that, I'm not feeling at all like a little bitch, in fact feeling pretty decent
Should be able to find trt doc some where
 

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Actually your E2 is not that high, I read mine in pg/ml yours is in pmol/L which I’m not sure the conversion, but should be under 100
 

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So how do I go about deciding how often to take the aromasin seeing as I'm not really symptomatic? I was with a previous doc and she had me taking one pill the day after each pin (2x a week) and my numbers were good, although I didn't feel any difference
 
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