Need some help

[WellEngineered33]

Hey guys Im new to the site, I've been lifting for a while and when I say a while I mean since I was Ten. Always been a thicker guy but im looking for that edge to get me to a leaner 250 lbs. Right now im 245 lbs and 6 feet 1.5 inches im pretty sure im between 15 and 19 percent body fat I need a stack to build some lean muscle and set fire to my body fat so that i can be 8 to 12 percent body fat and stay hanging around 245-250. Done some stuff before poked with Tren Ace didnt work to well at a decent dose 150 mg EOD... Did winny once for about 90 days 50mg a day didnt work to well either...Test cyp put a ton of weight on but no cut....so I was thinking masteron with anavar and something should do just that but I want some ideas without using Test cuz of the pct. thanks for all the help

 

[curttag]

welcome bro! this is a great place for all your questions and help with your future plans. look around ask questions and enjoy! welcome aboard

 

[Dath]

Welcome to the board...one thing I'd say in your last sentence about no pct due to no use of test....that's not gonna happen bro,
you pin Deca it will shout you down,tren same thing, winny same thing.

how you control the bloat is by diest and AI's like arimidex,aromasin,letro. These are used to control (lower) estrogen levels in the body.

How old are you bro?
did you pct after any of your other cycles?

 

[RAINier]

No steroids during PCT EVER. EVER.

How are you tracking your diet? What're your current macros?

 

[akaveritas]

I hate to be that guy, but if you didn't see dramatic results from 450mg of Tren Ace a week, you're diet must be very bad. Also, your goals are un-realistic.

For the sake of easy math, and the fact that people usually underestimate their bodyfat %, I'm going to say you're 245lbs and 20% bodyfat (I could be totally wrong, but it's just a nice number to use). If you cut down to 220lbs, you'd be ~10.5% bodyfat. You want to be 8% BF? Expect ~214 to be your final weight.

You say you want to be 245lbs and 10% bodyfat. To accomplish this, you would have to find some way to cut the previously discussed fat and still gain ~24lbs! <-- Isn't happening.

In conclusion, you need to get on an incredibly strict diet. My suggestion to you is to get your diet down and use something like ECA or Clen. If you really want to speed up the process, you could start cruising on 300-350mg Test-E/C and supplement with T3 and Clen. The tests sole purpose is to prevent/minimize muscle wasting from T3. When you get around 12-14%, I would start considering Tren.

I do not mean to come off as an asshole, but I just would rather be blunt than have you work your ass off and end up being disappointed because you didn't get the results you were expecting.

Also, PCT is a must. Always. Period. If you run ANY anabolics, be it injectables or just pro-hormones/designer steroids, your bodies HPTA will be shut down and you will require PCT.

 

[RAINier]

akaveritas speaks 100% bodybuilding truth ^^ . Use fitday.com to track your diet. Calculate the amount of calories you need and hit the targets.

 

[ashoprep1]

I hate to be that guy, but if you didn't see dramatic results from 450mg of Tren Ace a week, you're diet must be very bad. Also, your goals are un-realistic.

For the sake of easy math, and the fact that people usually underestimate their bodyfat %, I'm going to say you're 245lbs and 20% bodyfat (I could be totally wrong, but it's just a nice number to use). If you cut down to 220lbs, you'd be ~10.5% bodyfat. You want to be 8% BF? Expect ~214 to be your final weight.

You say you want to be 245lbs and 10% bodyfat. To accomplish this, you would have to find some way to cut the previously discussed fat and still gain ~24lbs! <-- Isn't happening.

In conclusion, you need to get on an incredibly strict diet. My suggestion to you is to get your diet down and use something like ECA or Clen. If you really want to speed up the process, you could start cruising on 300-350mg Test-E/C and supplement with T3 and Clen. The tests sole purpose is to prevent/minimize muscle wasting from T3. When you get around 12-14%, I would start considering Tren.

I do not mean to come off as an asshole, but I just would rather be blunt than have you work your ass off and end up being disappointed because you didn't get the results you were expecting.

Also, PCT is a must. Always. Period. If you run ANY anabolics, be it injectables or just pro-hormones/designer steroids, your bodies HPTA will be shut down and you will require PCT.

agreed.

 

[WellEngineered33]

hey guys the body fat as mentioned before was a tested measurement about 6 months ago so i gave a range it was actually 16.7% using the pool of water test for mass. as for pct's i did a nolva and proviron and a clomid with an over the counter T booster from the store. My diet is pretty good, any sweets that I do eat I eat in the morning and make sure i do an assload of cardio in the morning as well. I eat five to six meals a day all chicken or fish (sometimes red meat) with a green veg. the meat is ususally 8 to 10 onces. I also try to add a lean shake in once a day after the gym. everytime i get some gear i keep thinkin im gettin jerked on it cuz i know i should see more results than that.

 

[WellEngineered33]

akaveritas you are def not being an ass i push my self in the gym for atleast two hours a day lift time is usually and hour and to 1.5 hours cardio could be anywhere from 20 to an hour walking up hill , stair master, or elliptical. And blunt is good cuz it gets the point across im all for it.

 

[WellEngineered33]

how do i post a pic, so u guys can see what ur working with lol

 

[RAINier]

Good to hear that you did PCT and eat/lift right. I really got to repeat though that when it comes to gear, you need to COUNT the calories you're eating. It's very crucial, even more crucial than the exact gear you're taking!

Upload the picture to imgur.com and Copy the link it gives you.
When you're writing the post, there's a little icon in the bar above the text box that looks like a picture (it's next to the one that looks like a roll of film). You click that button and put in the imgur link.

 

[WellEngineered33]

thanks for the pic tip and when you say count you mean cut down or increase, because ive always been told to build mass even lean mass you have to eat more!

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[GSRacer]

thanks for the pic tip and when you say count you mean cut down or increase, because ive always been told to build mass even lean mass you have to eat more!

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Reps for posting pics. Nice quads. Diet down and get your bf to 10-12 and you'll look jacked.

By diet down I don't mean eat less, just eat cleaner. You've already gotten great advice above.

 

[ashoprep1]

just a little cutting and you are in the game. repped

 

[akaveritas]

You're looking good, man. In a perfect world, dropping 18lbs of pure fat will leave you around 10%. You'll look jacked as shit. Reps

 

[WellEngineered33]

Thanks guys i appreciate all the comps, i seem to hold fat in my midsection most i wish i could target it, but I already know i cant lol and it seems to be the last place it comes off of me as well (wish for a perfect world lol)

 

[akaveritas]

Actually, if you use a topical fat burning product, you can mix Clen into it because it has a small enough molecular weight.

Two popular products are Primordial Performance's Dermatherm and Genomyx's Eviscerate.

The idea behind this is that when you administer Clen orally, it has a systemic effect and causes unwanted side effects. Applying it topically will remove the systemic effect and keep it to a targeted location, thus minimizing/eliminating unwanted side effects.

I don't know how accurate this theory is, but the feedback I've seen has been very supporting of it.

 

[WellEngineered33]

well considering ive tried everything else it wouldnt hurt to try that just had a full work up DOC says im good lol

 

[GSRacer]

Actually, if you use a topical fat burning product, you can mix Clen into it because it has a small enough molecular weight.

Two popular products are Primordial Performance's Dermatherm and Genomyx's Eviscerate.

The idea behind this is that when you administer Clen orally, it has a systemic effect and causes unwanted side effects. Applying it topically will remove the systemic effect and keep it to a targeted location, thus minimizing/eliminating unwanted side effects.

I don't know how accurate this theory is, but the feedback I've seen has been very supporting of it.

I can clarify a little. It is a marketing ploy by a company if they say either of the above products (and this goes for most thermogenics or stimulants) will target the specific area you apply it to. A topical like either of the two you mentioned will still be "systemic", but simply has a different route of entering your system. Whereas a pill will be absorbed into your bloodstream through your gut, a topical cream uses a transdermal agent like DMSO to transport the active ingredient across your skin barrier and into your bloodstream, where it is then transported throughout your body just as if you took a pill. Specifically, Dermatherm's active ingredient is Yohimbe, which is a CNS stimulant. Yohimbe does not have "localized effects" if rubbed on a certain area of your body. It needs to be absorbed into your system to exert it's effects.

I will hand it to these companies, they are good at preying on lack of knowledge to more strongly position their product. Instead of taking Dermatherm, save your money, and go to The Vitamin Shoppe and buy some cheap Yohimbe. The end result will be the same.

I should note, there may be some exceptions to this, but certainly not anything produced and marketed OTC

 

[akaveritas]

Interesting... Thanks for the clarification.

Then I'd suggest the cycle I laid out in my previous post! Haha. Test, T3 and Clen, and eventually adding Tren.

 

[GSRacer]

Interesting... Thanks for the clarification.

Then I'd suggest the cycle I laid out in my previous post! Haha. Test, T3 and Clen, and eventually adding Tren.

Definitely looks like a good layout!

 

[RAINier]

Topical fat burning = lies.

Brother, bodyfat is tied to the bad side effects of steroids (adipose tissue being a large source of aromatization), they're directly related. I'd like to see you cut down to 14-15% before you start cycling. It'll make a difference, I promise you.

 

[chocolatemalt]

I really got to repeat though that when it comes to gear, you need to COUNT the calories you're eating. It's very crucial, even more crucial than the exact gear you're taking!

I finally did this myself today after extensive laziness, and was amazed how low the counts came out when allowing appetite alone to drive the process. 1700 calories and that includes some junk that you'd expect to blow up the count for anyone actually trying to lose weight (in this case, doughnuts). Also, despite tons of milk, some peanut butter, and a shrimp dinner, the protein count is still only 70g, far too low. The day is not yet over so some corrections can be made, but that's an eye-opener for sure. Thanks for pushing that advice.

Do you long-time bodybuilders feel like you have to force-feed yourself, or does appetite still play a role?

Also, that fitday.com site is very useful but horribly klunky... just awful markup, long delays on ad loads, buttons that show but don't work until the full 5-10 secs of page rendering is complete, etc. Has anyone gone with the PC version, and does it have the same feature set?

 

[RAINier]

I finally did this myself today after extensive laziness, and was amazed how low the counts came out when allowing appetite alone to drive the process. 1700 calories and that includes some junk that you'd expect to blow up the count for anyone actually trying to lose weight (in this case, doughnuts). Also, despite tons of milk, some peanut butter, and a shrimp dinner, the protein count is still only 70g, far too low. The day is not yet over so some corrections can be made, but that's an eye-opener for sure. Thanks for pushing that advice.

Do you long-time bodybuilders feel like you have to force-feed yourself, or does appetite still play a role?

Also, that fitday.com site is very useful but horribly klunky... just awful markup, long delays on ad loads, buttons that show but don't work until the full 5-10 secs of page rendering is complete, etc. Has anyone gone with the PC version, and does it have the same feature set?

Yes. When bulking, sometimes I have to force myself to eat even when I'm not hungry. It's actually easier to go with junk food to fill your calories and carb macros, it fills you up way less than oatmeal and wheat bread, for example.

70g protein after all that? One thing that helps is to always drink your milk with whey protein added. You'll be pushing much higher protein numbers, and whey often works out cheaper than meat in terms of $/g protein.

I have the PC version of fitday. If you're using it everyday, it's a great investment and it's much better than the website in my opinion (in terms of usability). If the latest version of Google Chrome or Firefox isn't rendering the website fast enough, then I say go for the application. $30 isn't even the cost of a vial of gear, and the program is something you'll use for years.

 

[chocolatemalt]

I have the PC version of fitday. If you're using it everyday, it's a great investment and it's much better than the website in my opinion (in terms of usability). If the latest version of Google Chrome or Firefox isn't rendering the website fast enough, then I say go for the application. $30 isn't even the cost of a vial of gear, and the program is something you'll use for years.

Cool, I'll probably spring for it then. And yeah the site is especially painful in Firefox, leading to the spinning wheel of death (freezing up ALL tabs, not just fitday) and about 15 seconds later an error about an unresponsive javascript. Thx for the advice!

 

[WellEngineered33]

Well I figured I'd let you guys all know since you were the ones interested in helping, I started something new today, completely ate like a total fat ass all weekend, because today its all lean all mean. Got all that shit out of my system no fried food no soda no sweets from here on out ZERO Tolerance. But speaking of the gym I did an hour and half of cardio between the elliptical and the incline walker machines totaled out to about 1300 cals burnt not sure how accurate that is. So i did 55 min before the workout and 35 after. Also I was posted onto DC training n let me tell you the DC is way underated, it should be TAMF training lol, holy cow man Ive never felt like I was gona throw up from a workout. Ill post stats if you want them, well gota run only 360 more g's of protein to consume today

 

[RAINier]

Well I figured I'd let you guys all know since you were the ones interested in helping, I started something new today, completely ate like a total fat ass all weekend, because today its all lean all mean. Got all that shit out of my system no fried food no soda no sweets from here on out ZERO Tolerance. But speaking of the gym I did an hour and half of cardio between the elliptical and the incline walker machines totaled out to about 1300 cals burnt not sure how accurate that is. So i did 55 min before the workout and 35 after. Also I was posted onto DC training n let me tell you the DC is way underated, it should be TAMF training lol, holy cow man Ive never felt like I was gona throw up from a workout. Ill post stats if you want them, well gota run only 360 more g's of protein to consume today

The numbers cardio machines give you for calories are definitely not accurate.

 

[WellEngineered33]

Well this is my second week of DC combined with the cardio, so off days from lifting I do 1 to 2 hours of cardio, on lifting days i do about an hour. The actual DC work out is crazy hard to keep track too, with the seconds between sets so i generally try to do 15 good breaths. Its kinda crazy though my first week was tough and Ive already been able to boost the weight with same reps and i was gassed again but still able to get the gain. Wish I has a better way of keeping track of my BF, other than a pic from week to week, eating pretty clean ive only cheated a couple times i had a small baha blast from taco bell one day and another day i had two cookies, other than that no junk no fried food (unless a Salisbury steak counts 85 15 ground) most of the fat cooks out any way. Well anyways I feel good doing the workouts, exhausted afterwards though but I like what Im seeing.