Need advice

[Natty86]

I've been texting with Matt88 and he suggested I start a thread explaining my goals and questions. I am on trt 200/week of cyp. I'm getting some deca from a trusted gym buddy. I curious how should I dose the deca. I would like a little more size, but want to keep doses low and am not after the huge look, just muscular and lean. Went on trt due to low libido and don't want to screw that up either. I was thinking 200 mg/week of the deca and maybe adding a little enanthate I got from another friend. Any advice would be appreciated. Currently, 6 foot, 240lbs, fairly lean, but could stand to lose 10 lbs or so. Been training a long time. I seem to respond well to the cyp. Was 230 prior to starting it 5 weeks ago.

 

[Natty86]

On 90 units a week of gonadorelin as well

 

[CoachCabo]

Continue to use the 200 cyp per week and add 100mg of deca. That’s all you need. The “muscular and lean” look can be achieved with proper diet and exercise. I only say to use the deca because it is awesome for joinys and even that small amount will contribute.

 

[SiliconeSack]

Continue to use the 200 cyp per week and add 100mg of deca. That’s all you need. The “muscular and lean” look can be achieved with proper diet and exercise. I only say to use the deca because it is awesome for joinys and even that small amount will contribute.

I agree. I run 100 mg of deca with my trt year round just for the added joint support it does help a lot.


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[Natty86]

Continue to use the 200 cyp per week and add 100mg of deca. That’s all you need. The “muscular and lean” look can be achieved with proper diet and exercise. I only say to use the deca because it is awesome for joinys and even that small amount will contribute.

Excellent! I did deca way back in the dark ages (90s) and even then noticed I just felt better physically and I was in my early 20s. I work in the medical field so I'm interested in doing the least possible, but trying to achieve max bsnefit

 

[Natty86]

I agree. I run 100 mg of deca with my trt year round just for the added joint support it does help a lot.


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Great to know, I'm just getting 10 ml at 300mg, so I want to make it last

 

[Matt88]

If you're fairly lean I'd imagine you will get some increased muscle fullness on 100mg a week as well. I know for me it doesn't take much deca/npp to increase muscle fullness/appearance.

 

[Natty86]

Good to know. I may step up the dose a little, but I'll see how 100 feels to start

 

[hot rod]

I've been texting with Matt88 and he suggested I start a thread explaining my goals and questions. I am on trt 200/week of cyp. I'm getting some deca from a trusted gym buddy. I curious how should I dose the deca. I would like a little more size, but want to keep doses low and am not after the huge look, just muscular and lean. Went on trt due to low libido and don't want to screw that up either. I was thinking 200 mg/week of the deca and maybe adding a little enanthate I got from another friend. Any advice would be appreciated. Currently, 6 foot, 240lbs, fairly lean, but could stand to lose 10 lbs or so. Been training a long time. I seem to respond well to the cyp. Was 230 prior to starting it 5 weeks ago.

Yeah man- I've always loved deca. When I first started doing juice- it was THE thing to add to test/ d- bol cycle to really beef up. And add strength. Of course we were young and bulletproof- we thought and didn't think anything could stop us especially sex wise- However- now we have to worry about these things and deca CAN cause problems sexually. I think u've already said u may add proviron. I still love deca for joint relief and I occasionally add it at blast doses( 3 to 400 a wk.Not very often tho. Mostly just do low dose now 125 to 150 and it adds a little strength- but not anything drastic. U just have to experiment with it and see what works FOR U. Good luck bro!

 

[Natty86]

Thanks for that advice. I'll keep it low and see what happens. I plan to up my test a bit so the ratio will be around 300 test to 150 deca. I'm not trying to add a ton of weight, just restructure a bit. I appreciate your advice and anymore you might have. Thanks!

 

[HFO3]

I've been texting with Matt88 and he suggested I start a thread explaining my goals and questions. I am on trt 200/week of cyp. I'm getting some deca from a trusted gym buddy. I curious how should I dose the deca. I would like a little more size, but want to keep doses low and am not after the huge look, just muscular and lean. Went on trt due to low libido and don't want to screw that up either. I was thinking 200 mg/week of the deca and maybe adding a little enanthate I got from another friend. Any advice would be appreciated. Currently, 6 foot, 240lbs, fairly lean, but could stand to lose 10 lbs or so. Been training a long time. I seem to respond well to the cyp. Was 230 prior to starting it 5 weeks ago.

TRT and proviron taken daily plus a proper food plan, will elevate the free test levels, therefore increasing mood and libido. Adding deca is a roll of the dice, it increases BP for many, decreases libido for some and holds quite a bit of water. My advice is keep it simple, increase total test and free test.

 

[Natty86]

OK, good to know. My first goal is libido, followed by some size increase and improved joints. In my limited understanding deca can cause deca dick (in higher doses than I'm doing?) but I assumed an increase in libido. I'll see how my current regimen affects that. I've stopped the trt because the outfit I'm going thru mixes arimidex in with the test and I'm not seeing an increased libido and wondering if that's why, started doing 300 of enanthate and going to ask they stop putting the Arimidex in the cyp. (Just started the deca last Saturday so I don't believe that's even an issue at this point) Friends at the gym think that's the Arimidex is the culprit... Did the enanthate by itself earlier in the year and I was ready to go whenever my wife even looked at me, so not happy with the cyp arimidex gonaderlin mix. Gonaderelin being separate of course. Thank you for your input. Happy 4th!

 

[hot rod]

After re-reading ur goals- not sure deca is the right call- but
don't think a small dose will bother u-However if ur main goal is increasing ur libido and leaning out, it's not the best addition to the test imo( not sure ur age either). Like I said earlier- for me when I was younger, deca didn't bother me one way or another- but that's me.Certainly there's other things u could use. Or just up the test an add proviron? Ever thought about Anavar for instance. Actually one of my favorite things I suggest to people is keep it simple. No need to over think this( which I've probably already done-lol). Think u already said u've started the deca@ 150- so just see how that treats u( it takes 3- 4 weeks to really hit you so.... Shit since I've gone this far w/ this diatribe-lol, npp would work too- same compound as deca- just shorter, quicker ester- BUT- for some odd reason doesn't seem to give joint relief like deca. Now that I've thoroughly confused u- Good luck bro- HR

 

[hot rod]

After re-reading ur goals- not sure deca is the right call- but
don't think a small dose will bother u-However if ur main goal is increasing ur libido and leaning out, it's not the best addition to the test imo( not sure ur age either). Like I said earlier- for me when I was younger, deca didn't bother me one way or another- but that's me.Certainly there's other things u could use. Or just up the test an add proviron? Ever thought about Anavar for instance. Actually one of my favorite things I suggest to people is keep it simple. No need to over think this( which I've probably already done-lol). Think u already said u've started the deca@ 150- so just see how that treats u( it takes 3- 4 weeks to really hit you so.... Shit since I've gone this far w/ this diatribe-lol, npp would work too- same compound as deca- just shorter, quicker ester- BUT- for some odd reason doesn't seem to give joint relief like deca. Now that I've thoroughly confused u- Good luck bro- HR

Btw- never heard of mixing in an AI w/ test or anything else for that matter. But maybe that's something new?? I personally don't like that idea- U may not even need it- but to each his own. I know some need it- I never have- but that's me. Again good luck!

 

[Jbswole40]

Ride that 150 deca for few weeks see how u respond. I always add proviron with deca/npp,+test= feel great cycle imo.

 

[Natty86]

Thanks to both of you for the advice! Yeah, the trt place premixes the Arimidex with the cyp. One of my gym buddies was confused by that too because he said at that low a dose of cyp you shouldn't need an AI- he thinks that's a problem. I know everyone's different, so maybe I just don't react well to it, who knows. I'll see how it goes with the deca, and I am interested in trying the Anavar/Proviron too. Thanks again!

 

[Jbswole40]

Wow never heard of a premix like that,your buddy is right ,u may not need ai on trt dose but you will see in your bloodwork if u do.for Me at 350 test + proviron 50ed my esto was 25 w no ai.every1 responds differently. On another note var n proviron would be a great add on.

 

[Natty86]

Good info, thanks!

 

[Mcrazor1]

Continue to use the 200 cyp per week and add 100mg of deca. That’s all you need. The “muscular and lean” look can be achieved with proper diet and exercise. I only say to use the deca because it is awesome for joinys and even that small amount will contribute.

That's what I do except 160 cyp 4 times a week and 100mg deca split 2 times a week. Has definitely helped with joint pain and healing and also good results in muscle gain. Threw in a cycle of Anavar to lean out an was summer ready.

 

[Natty86]

Definitely looking forward to some joint support, sounds like it may be a couple weeks, first shot was 2 days ago

 

[Mcrazor1]

Definitely looking forward to some joint support, sounds like it may be a couple weeks, first shot was 2 days ago

Yea about 6 weeks in for me to notice but my joints are wrecked and I'm 46. It allowed me to lift moderate again. First noticed the back pain not lasting as many days.